x1950xtx availability

[MaxBurn]

Anyone know the scoop on the x1950xtx availability and why it can't seem to be bought anywhere?

Are we really close to R600 being released and they have stopped production on the R580+ or something?

 

[Namslas90]

They got em at Amazon.com;
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000I3OYDS/?tag=tec06d-20

 

[MaxBurn]

Availability: Usually ships within 1 to 2 months. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com.

Thats not what I call in stock.

 

[DaMulta]

http://www.google.com/products?sour...,GGLJ:en&q=X1950XTX&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wf

 

[Eric_Cartman]

it isn't the core they are having problems with producing, the x1950xt uses the same core and is readily available

the problem is the ddr4 is in extremely short supply and my guess is that amd/ati is using all the ddr4 to produce their new cards that use it and not worrying about the x1950xtx

you can always get the x1950 Crossfire Edition, which is the same as the x1950xtx, but has the extra stuff to do crossfire

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814142077

 

[MaxBurn]

it isn't the core they are having problems with producing, the x1950xt uses the same core and is readily available

the problem is the ddr4 is in extremely short supply and my guess is that amd/ati is using all the ddr4 to produce their new cards that use it and not worrying about the x1950xtx

you can always get the x1950 Crossfire Edition, which is the same as the x1950xtx, but has the extra stuff to do crossfire

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814142077

Wow Eric, why the heck didn't I think of that. Thanks I do believe I will do that.

 

[TonyStark]

I wouldn't buy an X1950XTX unless you can get it much cheaper than a 8800GTS....

 

[D007]

I wouldn't buy an X1950XTX unless you can get it much cheaper than a 8800GTS....

I'd have to agree with that at the time being with current numbers I've been seeing.. although we still dont know for certain, it's not sounding good..

 

[MaxBurn]

I wouldn't buy an X1950XTX unless you can get it much cheaper than a 8800GTS....

Or if you are like me and feeling like you got completely F'd over by nvidia on your last computer system there is no way I would consider them for a year or two.

Point 1 - I have a KVM here and for some reason it doesn't work with any nvidia chipset motherboard. Works fine in dos but when you load the nvidia drivers you loose USB keyboard and mouse. Thats OK right, you don't need a keyboard or mouse, minor details. Driver update to fix it? Hell no but they acknowledge the problem exists and their solution is to use a add in USB card so that you can have a keyboard and mouse in windows, but then loose the ability to have keyboard and mouse for DOS apps which I use more than a little.

Point 2 - Swap the above out for a Asrock 939SLI32-eSATA board because that board has two full PCIEx16 slots and is Nvidia SLI certified at the time I purchase it. Nvidia then buys ULI and says no you can't do SLI on ULI chipsets anymore and removes a major feature I was planning on using. Sure there are hacked drivers to allow it but no hacked for SLI drivers exist for XP x64 edition, so now I can't even use my legit copy of windows.


I recognize that the 8800's are quicker but the x1950xtx is fast enough for me at the moment, plus there is crossfire a little down the road. At this moment the 8800GTS 640mb is looking about $50 to $90 more than I just paid for that x1950 crossfire master card.

/rant, I feel better

 

[Sasqui]

/rant, I feel better

Cheap therapy... I'm still pissed as hell that AMD bought ATI.

 

[MaxBurn]

Cheap therapy... I'm still pissed as hell that AMD bought ATI.

Yes, but I think AMD needed them. I have felt that one of AMD's major problems is they don't make chipsets anymore so with ATI they brought chipsets back home and hopefully really run with it. See your point on the graphics side though, I hope they don't ditch Intel Crossfire support!

 

[HellasVagabond]

The X1950XTX is the worse solution right now.
An 8800GTS is worth the same ( if not cheaper ) and scores almost double the numbers of the X1950XTX.
And lets not even mention the OC potential of both cards...

 

[TonyStark]

Was that long rant really necessary?

I recognize that the 8800's are quicker but the x1950xtx is fast enough for me at the moment, plus there is crossfire a little down the road. At this moment the 8800GTS 640mb is looking about $50 to $90 more than I just paid for that x1950 crossfire master card.

I wouldn't buy an X1950XTX unless you can get it much cheaper than a 8800GTS....

 

[TylerZambori]

Or if you are like me and feeling like you got completely F'd over by nvidia on your last computer system there is no way I would consider them for a year or two.

Point 1 - I have a KVM here and for some reason it doesn't work with any nvidia chipset motherboard. Works fine in dos but when you load the nvidia drivers you loose USB keyboard and mouse. Thats OK right, you don't need a keyboard or mouse, minor details. Driver update to fix it? Hell no but they acknowledge the problem exists and their solution is to use a add in USB card so that you can have a keyboard and mouse in windows, but then loose the ability to have keyboard and mouse for DOS apps which I use more than a little.

Point 2 - Swap the above out for a Asrock 939SLI32-eSATA board because that board has two full PCIEx16 slots and is Nvidia SLI certified at the time I purchase it. Nvidia then buys ULI and says no you can't do SLI on ULI chipsets anymore and removes a major feature I was planning on using. Sure there are hacked drivers to allow it but no hacked for SLI drivers exist for XP x64 edition, so now I can't even use my legit copy of windows.


I recognize that the 8800's are quicker but the x1950xtx is fast enough for me at the moment, plus there is crossfire a little down the road. At this moment the 8800GTS 640mb is looking about $50 to $90 more than I just paid for that x1950 crossfire master card.

/rant, I feel better

After reading this thread, I realized it's true....the 8800 gts really is more bang for the buck.
But how can I know if the drivers will give me problems with the mobo I want? I want the
Asus crosshair with the NVIDIA nForce® 590 SLI chipset. Would it be ok with that?

My last one was an nvidia 6800 gt, which I never had a problem with.

 

[MaxBurn]

Was that long rant really necessary?

Yes it was to understand my decisions. I am sure there are many that didn't have the problems I encountered for the past year and are very happy with their nvidia product but that was not the case with me as I spent my time researching HID and USB drivers for Nvidia chipsets and then later on the last straw was the 85.96_mod drivers which demonstrate that you can run SLI perfectly fine on just about any chipset you like be it Intel or the ULI M1697 and M1695 that I was using on a low cost Asrock 939SLI32-eSATA2. Nvidia just chooses to lockout the competition so that they can sell more of their own products as they hold the reins on their software, you see there is (almost) no hardware reason baring you from running SLI on just about any chipset. Their purchase of ULI relegated that company and they then demolished the PowerExpress Enabling Driver because it combated their efforts to lock out the competition. The Enabling driver wasn't even needed in the beginning until they got wind of a low cost motherboard that had two PCIEx16 and could stand up with boards costing twice as much bearing the Nvidia name.

So then for me cost being a low second I am choosing the only real alternative being a company that hasn't just given me a load of trouble. I understand there are even efforts to open up crossfire to multiple platforms, which would be great, but even if nothing comes of that there are still nice options on this side that are "officially supported" for us to use as a viable upgrade path. At the moment I am supporting more than just the one piece of hardware but the company I think is moving in the right direction.

Right then, who wants a pair of evga 7800GT CO's? They work great in SLI, only IF...

 

[SuperGotunks]

x800xt pe vs. x1650 pro

I have two quick questions, anyone know which is the more powerful card, a sapphire x800xt pe(527/1120) or sapphire x1650 pro(590/1380) both agp?

Second, i've read a few of the threads and though i have not thoroughly researched it, i seem to have the same issue with ocing that some others have had. Both atitool and rivatuner will not push the clock of the x800 past stock settings before the screen is a mess and i'm forced to restart. I know the gpu will clock to at least 575 from all the reports i've read and memory past 1200 but i can't seem to do it.

 

[Kursah]

What brand/version of x800 are you using?
What version of windows/drivers?

I've never tried, but does the x800 series boot and function w/o power connector? I know my x1950pro won't...
Are you trying to AUTO clock or manually clocking?

What's your system specs?

 

[SuperGotunks]

Heres some of the info on my video card from atitool. Note that i have tried versions 0.24 through 0.27b with the same results. The driver version is 8.360.0.0 and was released on 3/14/07. The card is a sapphire radeon x800xt platinum edition.

As far as functioning without the power connector, i quickly learned with the x1650 that if you forget to connect the power connector you get a junked up screen. And for what method of ocing, i used the software only. I've not tried to manually adjust settings other than voltage in the bios.

System specs
MSI K8m800 motherboard reported as model FIC-2200 with PCMark05
AMD Athlon 64 3400 which i can oc to 2.56 GHZ by adjusting bus to 210
1GB Corsair XMS PC3200 Memory CAS 2
Raptor 35GB harddrive
Maxtor 250GB Sata drive
Fantom 1TB external drive
Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2
Creative Audigy 2 ZS sound card
ATI TV Tuner card
Firewire800 pci card
Antec P160 case with 550 watt antec power supply

 

[Kursah]

Well..dunno how far you can go beyond your xt-pe speeds...my old x850pro that I converted to a full 16pipe xt pe (stock speeds 500-500, xt-pe speeds 540-590) was able to go up to 560s - 620s...did you increase your AGPv? I forget what the max was on my old Abit board, I believe 1.65v or something along those lines. I've also heard that increasing AGP Bus Speed may help...I never had to, but read up on it, it may help you out.

What temps is your card currently running? Are you using OE cooling? You may be pegged at your current speeds...
Possibly do a quick run-through of the x800 related threads on TPU and see if you can find a solution, because this issue sounds familiar to me, and I'm sure there is one out there! Also, maybe try posting this in the x800 related thread to get a better response. List all you've told me and anything else you can think of that may help diag the situation. I hope I've been of some help to you..and good luck!

 

[SuperGotunks]

Thanks for the input so far. To tell you the truth i was attempting to post this in a different thread concerning ocing video cards but since i'm new to the forum i must have done something wrong because it was redirected to this one instead so i was actually shocked someone replied. As for voltage, yes i raised it a little when i increased the cpu's bus speed as well as a slight increase on the memory voltage. Also, i recently pulled the card and cleaned out the heatsink due to some high temps but now the temp idles around 46 C with my external sensor but i believe its not functioning correctly. Overdrive reports it at 53 to 55 C idle but as much as 82 C under heavy load so i was thinking of using a thermaltake tidewater cooler option. Anyway, i will continue to look around the other threads. I'm just surprised that this is the only computer with an ati graphics card i have failed to oc using the given software.

 

[Kursah]

Those are some very warm temps...I think vid card GPU's are rated to 90c, but I'd never let mine get that close, I try to keep it within CPU temp specs if possible. My x850 was 32idle, 55load, and my x1950 is 36c idle and 53c load, bit both had their respective AC coolers... I am assuming you have the stock heatsink then. Consider an Arctic Cooling unit for cooling, good airflow and efficiency and decent prices.

Probably causing overheating and instability when OC-ing. Usually the VPU resets and with your "distortion" that's generally memory related. Do you have cooling on the memory? Also do not use ATI Overdrive, it messes with more than just clock speeds and can cause more bad than good. Try older drivers such as 6.12 or 6.9..both of those treated my x850 quite well.

Also use ATITool to override fan speeds and crank it up 100% for hopefully some better cooling if your fan isn't already spinning 100%. You may be SOL on oc-ing that card, but I think if you can dissapate that heat better, you may be able to pull off a better OC. How much airflow do you have through your case?