4200 X2 bottlenecks a 8800GTX

[Exceededgoku]

^^ see you have passed the threshold where the CPU is now not the limiting factor (as much)

 

[Exceededgoku]

oops and I'm sorry but at 2.7Ghz my bro scores:
3DMark Score 8836 3DMarks
SM2.0 Score 4098
HDR/SM3.0 Score 4203
CPU Score 1920

The score from before was in fact 2.6Ghz so you can see the scaling of teh CPU.
I run a lot more programs in the background than my bro does, but we both use NOD32 and Lavasoft Adwatch in the background constantly. AS well as things like MSN and stuff...

 

[Mussels]

I dont really see where top of the line c2d would be bottlenecked.. a e6300 @3.2 is a little bottlenecked by an 8800gts from what someone who tested told me. TKPenalty I think it was.

I think an 6700 around stock would prob be enough for a gtx.

My GTX was bottlenecked by my conroe at stock.

Trust us, the 8800 cards need a monster CPU To run fully.
Its not like you can get any faster with a different card, if you get a cheaper one the FPS will be exactly the same (excepting if the card has less ram and it runs out of ram), but if you get a GTX you can always carry it over to an upgraded system later.

Oh and others have said, the GTS 320 has some kind of driver bug where it pauses/hiccups constantly. the 640MB model doesnt suffer from this.

 

[Exceededgoku]

My GTX was bottlenecked by my conroe at stock.

Trust us, the 8800 cards need a monster CPU To run fully.
Its not like you can get any faster with a different card, if you get a cheaper one the FPS will be exactly the same (excepting if the card has less ram and it runs out of ram), but if you get a GTX you can always carry it over to an upgraded system later.

Oh and others have said, the GTS 320 has some kind of driver bug where it pauses/hiccups constantly. the 640MB model doesnt suffer from this.

any chance of this being fixed in later drivers?

 

[Mussels]

any chance of this being fixed in later drivers?

sure, theres a chance - it might take Nvidia 5 years, but theres a chance.

(Nv have been very slow working on drivers lately)

 

[Greek]

thanks for all the replies guys, although i still aint certain what to buy, im sure the dx 10 graphics would be better than those of the xbox 360, but looking at it that way it may not be to its full potential with my cpu, where as the 360 will stretch as much as it can, and Exceededgoku thanks for ur results, but a real test should be done withouth any programs running at the time, and you are on vista 64bit? i dunno but 64 bit has always had proble, id like to see what the results are on an xp system.

once again thanks for all the replies guys

 

[Mussels]

benches like 3dm05 and 06 come off faster in XP by 5-10%, in vista apps that utilise dual core (a fair few modern games) get nice speed boosts.

Single core for XP, multi core for vista works for me lol.

The GTX is an easy sell for me - i have tons of PC games already, i dont have 360 games before i have a 360. The 360 will cost more in the long run, and the GTX lets you enjoy the games you have already, as well as DX10 titles as they come out.

 

[D007]

It's going to bottleneck maybe a good bit more than you're thinking. My 8800gts (OCed to 660/960) was giving me a 3dm05 score of 12103 with my 930 @ 4056mhz. I swapped it out for an e4400 (@ 3500mhz) and got my score up to 18367.

gts 320 or 640?

 

[Exceededgoku]

thanks for all the replies guys, although i still aint certain what to buy, im sure the dx 10 graphics would be better than those of the xbox 360, but looking at it that way it may not be to its full potential with my cpu, where as the 360 will stretch as much as it can, and Exceededgoku thanks for ur results, but a real test should be done withouth any programs running at the time, and you are on vista 64bit? i dunno but 64 bit has always had proble, id like to see what the results are on an xp system.

once again thanks for all the replies guys

yeah I won't be able to do that until the weekend I'm afraid.... Really I was showing a real world test, since noone has nothing running in teh background.

 

[Greek]

no problem

 

[overcast]

I suggest you all take a look at this. AMD vs Intel on 8800GTX. It just proves how pointless 3DMARK is as a benchmark utility when compared to real world gaming.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/490/1/

 

[Chewy]

I suggest you all take a look at this. AMD vs Intel on 8800GTX. It just proves how pointless 3DMARK is as a benchmark utility when compared to real world gaming.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/490/1/

thier not overclocked though? c2d only really shines when using its massive overclocking potential up to 110% oc you can get witht he right chip... 80% overclock is a breeze, as it would pass well past that chip.

ah I see what you mean.. @ higher rez c2d does very well matching 5600's fps in just about every game.. at lower res it loses.. I thin that shows that 3dmark is more for lower res performance comparison... I guess. It still has its part I think though.

 

[overcast]

thier not overclocked though? c2d only really shines when using its massive overclocking potential up to 110% oc you can get witht he right chip... 80% overclock is a breeze, as it would pass well past that chip prob

Agreed, however the MAJORITY of people (including highend gamers) do not overclock. The point of the article was for those people buying a new stock computer.

 

[Chewy]

True. amd is the shizzle for what the give you stock. most newbs (hope that dont offend you or anyone but I cant thinkof a better word with my little time), are scared to oc at first.. I've got my friend who was totally against overclocking (hes studying to be an electrical engineer), interested into oc'in when he buys a new custom built machine.

OC'in is extremely safe, as long as you dont go overboard or are really dumb (put to much volts/elc, cause your dumb and cant follow an oc'in guide).



Edit: with the word getting around about how amazing c2d is when overclocked.. I mean buy a e6300 overclock it and easily beat a amd fx74 is quite a feat. Word gets around in on-line communitys/games, If I knew of someone in a game that had a e6300 stock I would tell them how much faster they can get thier chip safely and link em to tpu

A high-end gaming system would not need to overclock for gaming.

Im sure if someone was reviewing c2d they would find an article about how much it overclocks and the capability of it when Overclocked. The thing zooms @3.2Ghz ram 900mhz, things open the instant I click on them... I thin thats prob about when it reaches or surpasses fx74 speeds.

For us on here e6300/e4300 > amd5600 I think thats where it would count since its tpu and just about everyone who visits here overclocks or would consider overclocking.

but Im done with this c2d>amd wars lol.. its all over the forum now.

 

[Ashen]

sure, theres a chance - it might take Nvidia 5 years, but theres a chance.

(Nv have been very slow working on drivers lately)

They are to busy carrying the money bags to the vault to work on drivers, i mean they got ur $ and more smuchs are buying their "dx10" cards that dont support dx10 already so why fix the drivers?

 

[Exceededgoku]

If I'm perfectly honest I would happily sell my C2D for any X2 CPU right now....
Especially since I play games at high resolution..

 

[trt740]

As I read this the only time a C2D makes sense is if you over clock. If you don't buy a AMD chip because at stock they are better bang for the buck. Unless you buy say a 3600x2 then even for overclocking its the best bang for the buck a e4300 is still almost double the price. Really none of these chips are slow. Also all of them are a good buy at these prices. Also any chip over 2.6 ghz really won't bottle neck a chip so that you will notice when playing a game. All you need is a constant 23 frames a second. Thats movie standard video most of these chip will do over 100 frames in some games even with a dual core 939 4200+.

 

[Ashen]

you want at least 60fps in games for smooth playback, movies are a diffrent story, you have motion blur that takes away some o fht ebad effects of teh fps being so slow, but the human eye can decern between 60 and 120 fps, over that.....well most research tends to say its a crapshoot if somebody can tell(some can most cant, and those that can dont think it makes a realy diffrance in quility.)

eather way i am sticking with my x1900xtx for some time to come, why upgrade when i dont need to yet and all my games play at my monotor default res

 

[yogurt_21]

thier not overclocked though? c2d only really shines when using its massive overclocking potential up to 110% oc you can get witht he right chip... 80% overclock is a breeze, as it would pass well past that chip.

ah I see what you mean.. @ higher rez c2d does very well matching 5600's fps in just about every game.. at lower res it loses.. I thin that shows that 3dmark is more for lower res performance comparison... I guess. It still has its part I think though.

umm you do realise the reason the c2d becoems closer once the resolutions are upped is due to the fact that at those resolutions and detaillevels the 8800 is what becomes the bottleneck, lower resolutions and details should always be used to compare cpus. but yes when overclocking the c2d the results would change greatly as intel is more efficient per clock.

 

[Mussels]

^ what yogurt said.

Low resolutions = CPU bound
High resolutions = GPU bound.

And dont say 'if you can afford a GTX, you can afford a big screen' i still game at 1680x1050 and 1280x1024 - i just do it with 8xAA on everything

 

[Mussels]

As I read this the only time a C2D makes sense is if you over clock. If you don't buy a AMD chip because at stock they are better bang for the buck. Unless you buy say a 3600x2 then even for overclocking its the best bang for the buck a e4300 is still almost double the price. Really none of these chips are slow. Also all of them are a good buy at these prices. Also any chip over 2.6 ghz really won't bottle neck a chip so that you will notice when playing a game. All you need is a constant 23 frames a second. Thats movie standard video most of these chip will do over 100 frames in some games even with a dual core 939 4200+.

No offense, but f*ck that. I game, and if its not 60+ i cant play it, in FPS games. RTS its 30+

Movies are BS comparison to gaming, please dont go there.


Edit: double posted, i sorry.

 

[Chewy]

umm you do realise the reason the c2d becoems closer once the resolutions are upped is due to the fact that at those resolutions and detaillevels the 8800 is what becomes the bottleneck, lower resolutions and details should always be used to compare cpus. but yes when overclocking the c2d the results would change greatly as intel is more efficient per clock.

ah I never thought of that so really the high res shouldnt even be used for the bench or they should of mentioned that. ohwell you learn something new everyday both are great cpus c2d only being better if your willing to OC, its an oc'in king.

 

[Mussels]

C2D is deinately faster - the E6600 is faster than say, an AMD x2 6000+ at a lot higher price. its the lower clocked C2D's (E4300 etc) that really need to be OC'd to be worth it, and the price of ram and a good mobo may be too much.

Cheap rig = AMD, expensive rig = C2D i own both sides of the coin (intel + Nv and AMD + ATI) and meh, they all run games fine! the intel rig just does them in widescreen

 

[trt740]

Thats not true at stock a e6600 is not that much faster at stock ( in some benchmarks it's slower)and the e6400 is not faster than a 6000+. It takes a e6700 to make a noticible difference at stock over a 6000+ and it costs significantly more than a 6000+ (like 130.00 dollars more). Also even with the e6700 we are talking about 8 to 30 seconds faster in some benchmarks thats not very much. When overclocked is when C2D chips shine as do the AMD chips just not as much. Some 6000+ will hit 3.3ghz to 3.4ghz on air. That vey fast aswell.

Here is a review to read http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/20/does-amds-athlon-64-x2-6000-have-any-kick-left/

 

[Chewy]

e6420 is where its at I think.. its practicaly a e6600 for $180 it has 4mb cache and can oc to e6600 speeds easily I believe. Im more for c2d because I do alot of encoding for my ipod elc.

I forgot about the gpu res thing been tired/in a rush lately since I work now.