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Who said 1080p. It is 2560x1440.
 
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My GTX970 handles everything maxed out at 1440p at, mostly consistent, 60FPS. So you'd be well set with anything faster than a 970.
 
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Nvidia are just about to drop a 980Ti with similar performance to its titan x... I wouldn't buy a 980 right now with the Ti just around the corner...
from ocuk random employee - 980Ti and 990 aren't replacing anything, rather, topping the range.

he was giving the reason their may not be any price drops. I suppose if you work in the stock room or on the selling floor your info is going to be golden...
 
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Nvidia are just about to drop a 980Ti with similar performance to its titan x... I wouldn't buy a 980 right now with the Ti just around the corner...
from ocuk random employee - 980Ti and 990 aren't replacing anything, rather, topping the range.

he was giving the reason their may not be any price drops. I suppose if you work in the stock room or on the selling floor your info is going to be golden...

Well at least the launch of 980ti and r9 390 serires would give more options. Thanks for the info!

My GTX970 handles everything maxed out at 1440p at, mostly consistent, 60FPS. So you'd be well set with anything faster than a 970.

That is great info. Besides gaming I am also looking into possible use of OpenCL. Either 980 or 390 would be awesome. See my original build thread here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/need-a-long-term-working-station.211207/


Oh and thanks for the member who PMed me on how to ignore certain people on the forum. I have been on the forum for 7 yrs and yet I didn't know we have such awesome function over here. :D
 
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It's my understanding that AMD cards are better for OpenCL. Dunno if that's changed with the 9xx series.
 
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Currently most my lab's genome assembly pipeline depends on CPU power. I have experienced how those 16 core Xeon fat nodes power through a set of raw data with ease, while the same amount of work would take about 48hrs on my qx9650. We are working on getting these pipeline to run off either CUDA or OpenCL, that would be even better.
 

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I would wait until the 390X is released and then decide. All so be thinking of a 8GB one too due to the fact some of my games hit the 3.6+GB now never mind in a year or 2. In the end better just waiting to see how good or bad the 390X ends up.

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LOL, no, it's not anger, it's the frustration of trying to talk sense to someone that asks for but refuses sound advice.

Nothing I've said was out of anger, but rather pointing out the many flaws of your thinking. You've yet to even acknowledge that the added performance of both the 980 and 390X will be more than 2K res demands, so I can only assume you don't understand such basic principles of build balancing, as I said.

Nor do you understand that the 3.5/512 VRAM split doesn't actually deter performance. It's more and more clear with every post of yours that you never intended on listening to sound advice, and would rather cling to your preconceived notions.

So why you even made the thread is kinda silly. It's like you're asking for approval in picking a GPU you think matches your lofty spec, yet you don't even get that the 1080p res is what's making it all rather pointless.

With more games popping up with supersampling and now with AMD and nVidia drivers allowing higher than monitor default resolution even a 290X and 980 can to slow even more so when you add MSAA or a like..
 
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I would wait until the 390X is released and then decide. All so be thinking of a 8GB one too due to the fact some of my games hit the 3.6+GB now never mind in a year or 2. In the end better just waiting to see how good or bad the 390X ends up.

Thanks! That is exactly what I am going to do.

Hooked up my new 27'' 1440p monitor to my old rig today. Most of new games are unplayable on 2560x1440 with the 5870. Good thing is TF2 is still OK if I turn off all AA and AF. I will be playing TF2 until 390X or 980Ti comes out~ :)
 
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Who said 1080p. It is 2560x1440.

You described it yourself as 2K. If you meant 2.5K, you should have said so. That's a game changer. 2.5 is not a mere 25% more pixels, it's a whopping 78% more. Literally 3,686,400 pixels, vs 2,073,600 pixels. It's quite a difference really, and something you should have clarified from the get go instead of calling it 2K. I don't recall you mentioning the display's refresh either, which of course matters a lot.

And of course most games are going to be unplayable at that res with a 5870. Are you beginning to see what I mean by clinging too long?

Back to the new GPU though, while a 980 or 390X would be more suited to 2560x1440 than a 970, you'll be spending about $200 more and only needing the extra power in a handful of the most demanding games, and that's only IF you insist on max settings in all games, which often isn't needed for decent image quality. Depending on preferences, some settings can even degrade image quality. Come time for Pascal's launch though, we'll then see if you think you spent that added $200 wisely.

A 1-1.5 yr old 970 come launch of Pascal would still have fairly good resale value, especially considering the performance enhancements that Dx12 and CUDA 6 (uni mem) will bring once 2016 games debut. So what I'm saying is this future proofing is not going to be very long lived given the tech that's coming, so best buy in affordably and resell it if you're going to buy in now, particularly since you like to keep your GPUs so long. That mindset only comes close to working if you get a GPU that has huge advances in tech, which Pascal will.

My bet is that you would lose only half of that extra $200 you would have spent on a 980 or 390X, reselling the 970, and end up getting much better tech going forward beyond 2016. Sure you'd be out $100 or so, but not really, because that is time spent using a pretty good GPU. You'd probably take that suggestion more seriously were you not hung up on the VRAM thing needlessly.

It really comes down to what you can afford and/or how much you want to spend, but regardless, clinging to a GPU for too long will only get you back to where you are now, with a card that can't handle any game you throw at it. Most gamers would never put themselves in a situation where they're waiting to decide on a GPU, while having lots of high end gear, yet a GPU not good enough for any current games.
With more games popping up with supersampling and now with AMD and nVidia drivers allowing higher than monitor default resolution even a 290X and 980 can to slow even more so when you add MSAA or a like..
Then again, with 78% more pixels, you don't really need as much AA. That's a LOT of pixels for a 27" screen. It comes out to .2335 mm pixel pitch, which is way tighter than you need even for ultra sharp text, let alone AA.

For comparison sake, the first 2560 displays that were said to be the first ultra tight pitch large displays (30" 2560x1600), were only .2524 mm pitch, and even they were touted as requiring less AA.

http://thirdculture.com/joel/shumi/computer/hardware/ppicalc.html
 
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Finally pulled trigger on the 5820K and Noctua D15. Ain't no point waiting any longer since it seems unlikely for CPU to drop price.

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Now just waiting for the launch of either 980ti or 390 series.

Current spending without graphic cards is about 2000 dollars. I allocated `$2500 for the entire build. So I can spend ~500 dollars for the graphic card.
 
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What do you guys think of this EVGA 980? With the 10% discount and 10MIR this price will be brought down to ~510. Good deal or not?

I have already got all the parts in front of me right now, except the graphic card.
 

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First of all, you wont regret going for the X99 platform, it just works for everything:roll:.

I would wait over the summer, to see the tests from both AMD and Nvidia simply because R9 390X or GFX 980TI will smoke everything else out of the water.

Especially im looking forward to se how the new HBM ram is working, since AMD is launching it on the R9-390 and the R9-390X and Nvidia is at least 6 months behind just to use it for the first time.
AMD has a 1048bit rambus which is almost 2.5 times higher than anything Nvidia can offer and any giving time and for the next long time.
 
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Especially im looking forward to se how the new HBM ram is working, since AMD is launching it on the R9-390 and the R9-390X and Nvidia is at least 6 months behind just to use it for the first time.
AMD has a 1048bit rambus which is almost 2.5 times higher than anything Nvidia can offer and any giving time and for the next long time.

HBM does sound nice, but correct me if I'm wrong, the only place AMD seems to be focusing any attempt at memory unification is in their APUs, which let's face it, aren't really hard core gaming chips.

I'd like to see them offer uni mem on the 300 series GPUs, like Nvidia is planning with Pascal via NVLink. I know a lot of people are comparing 300 to upcoming 900s here, but I have to think 300 vs Pascal is the way to look at it.

I have to think the only way to be confident in a completely new platform build is waiting to see how Pascal performs. I only hope my mere 7970 carries me that far. Pretty sure my 7970's GCN will support Dx12 though, which will help. You need at least a 280 for Freesync, but with Dx12, I should be good to go.
 
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Well some one wrote that 390 series were actually 290 renaming.
FIJI will carry a special naming.




Also there's rumors saying that FIJI will go around 800USD for the XT one!
 
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Also there's rumors saying that FIJI will go around 800USD for the XT one!
That would make HBM translate to HWP (High Walletwidth Pricing)

Not sure I believe that. It would be very hard to sell the quantities AMD usually needs to at that price.
 
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Well some one wrote that 390 series were actually 290 renaming.
FIJI will carry a special naming.




Also there's rumors saying that FIJI will go around 800USD for the XT one!


Well if 390X is simply a 290X rebrand AMD might as well just close down its graphic department. Nobody will be that stupid to buy a rebranded 290X. I seriously doubt it.
 
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Well some one wrote that 390 series were actually 290 renaming.
FIJI will carry a special naming.




Also there's rumors saying that FIJI will go around 800USD for the XT one!

I honestly don't see that happening, if anything, 290X will be rebadged as the 380X, and 390X should be a fully functional Fiji XT core, AMD would be alienating an awful lot of their costumes if they attempted pulling that trick off.
 
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looks like the same video with the 970 fiasco. i didnt understand it but looks same... i maybe wrong though

You are correct, but the video itself has nothing to do with graphics cards and is merely being employed in a similar manner to the Hitler videos. It is actually taken from the programme Ratones Coloraos, where Jesús Quintero regularly interviews Risitas (Laughing Boy), here recounting a day when he left the paella dishes on the beach and the tide came in.

Here is a faithful translation:

 
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Also there's rumors saying that FIJI will go around 800USD for the XT one!

Rumor was 700$, but AMD leaked slides for 390x said "up to 8gb HBM". That would seem to indicate that a 4gb version of card was likely to happen. SO that is something very likely to be true that will be a 4gb and 8gb model so pretty decent price gap could be very possible. Pricing is all just rumors at this point, but 4gb to 8gb 290x is around 100-120$, So would guess that HBM if story's around low yields and limited supplies are true, Could expect that premium to be a bit higher then that say 200$? maybe more.
 
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Dont Pay +$500 for a Graphic Card. i suggest buy ( $300 ) GTX 970 and save your money and pass this generation (28nm) , with fine OC and a little customization in games ( which dosent make any sense in visual pictures ) you can reach the GTX 980`s fps.

the average fps difference between 970 & 980 @2560 is 6 - 9 fps. and if u OC it well , the difference will be 5 fps. it means " $50 "for 1 FPS ".this is madness !!

just buy gtx 970 and wait for the next generation in 2016 - 2017.

Good Luck.
 
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I dont upgrade graphic cards every single year. I usually just buy a good highend one and stick with it for quite some time.

From the rumors it seems the Fiji will head towards Titan X price range, while 908Ti won't be cheap at all. If 390x comes as 290X rebrand, AMD is doomed.
 
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I dont upgrade graphic cards every single year. I usually just buy a good highend one and stick with it for quite some time.

From the rumors it seems the Fiji will head towards Titan X price range, while 908Ti won't be cheap at all. If 390x comes as 290X rebrand, AMD is doomed.
i think you mean 380x, which does seem likely it will be. 980ti should be cheaper then 390x though just a question of how much.
 

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Im still not understanding how people think the 390x will be a rebranded 290x like you guys can do math on the shader counts right?
 
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