Nvidia GTX Titan-Z problems: This isn't acceptable!

[zoomer-fodder]

the realities of today they say only one thing, if you compare the work to optimize the drivers of each of the competing companies:
2013 - 780 > 7970
2014 - 780 = 7970
2015 - 780 < 7970
Nvidia just have cheated people for money. that only is the ratio of performance to dollar most expensive nvidia's card ever made GTX Titan-Z - now it is extremely low, it is unacceptable! What a shame nvidia, what a shame.... and all kepler users must repeat this many times on nvidia forums, on nvidia partners forums, etc.

what would cause nividia to deal with their mistakes and don't repeat them again.
sorry for bad english im russian)
We need nvidia Kepler driver optimisations for all new games
GTA 5 / Project Cars / Mortal Kombat X / Witcher 3.

 

[RCoon]

780 outperforms the 280X (7970) in the Witcher 3 on 1080p, so you can strike that off the list

 

[erixx]

the realities of today they say only one thing, if you compare the work to optimize the drivers of each of the competing companies:
2013 - 780 > 7970
2014 - 780 = 7970
2015 - 780 < 7970
Nvidia just have cheated people for money. that only is the ratio of performance to dollar most expensive nvidia's card ever made GTX Titan-Z - now it is extremely low, it is unacceptable! What a shame nvidia, what a shame.... and all kepler users must repeat this many times on nvidiaorums, on nvidia partners forums, etc. what would cause nividia to deal with their mistakes and don't repeat them again.sorry for bad english im russian)
We need nvidia Kepler driver optimisations for all new games
GTA 5 / Project Cars / Mortal Kombat X / Witcher 3.

Are that years or pixel fillrates, or chemical formulae, what was Kepler?

Translating from hardcore masterrace basement dweller slang into ordinary language:

You claim that nVidia does not optimize enough previous generation cards, like AMD indeed does?

 

[zoomer-fodder]

you can strike that off the list

and I did upgrade from a 7970 CF to a 780 SLI. Now i see it was a big mistake.
and this picture not so funny:

You claim that nVidia does not optimize enough previous generation cards, like AMD indeed does?

yes, but not quite. not enough is an understatement. the complete lack of optimizations in 2015 for Keppler.

 

[RCoon]

and I did upgrade from a 7970 CF to a 780 SLI. Now i see it was a big mistake.
and this picture not so funny:

yes, but not quite. not enough is an understatement. the complete lack of optimizations in 2015 for Keppler.

At 4K, there's going to be tiny differences between almost every card, not just those two. I don't think you understand how crippling 4K is to most cards, and how it narrows the gap between every set of cards.

Plus multi-GPU has never been a sure thing. Time and time again we tell people on the forums that they should stick to a single powerful GPU instead of multi-GPU setups. There's too much reliance upon people to support and develop something that has limited acquisition. SLI and Crossfire woes are seen from both sides of the camp.

 

[zoomer-fodder]

Check this out: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/The-Witcher-3-PC-237266/Specials/Grafikkarten-Benchmarks-1159196/

single powerful GPU

im buy 7970 when it is was a TOP, and buy 780 when is titan (not black, not 780ti) was a top. its mean im not a new user Kepler now.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Well, at 1080p I am not complaining about the 780 being left in the dust at all on The Witcher 3. But, the caveat is I am using the last drivers from before GTA V game-ready driver (347.88? from Feb/March). I bet that Titan-Z would do fine with those drivers as well, instead of the new ones. This really debunks the idea that you HAVE to have the latest "game-optimized" drivers.

 

[zoomer-fodder]

nvidia not made any optimisation for all cards, except 960 970 980 and titan X with all latest version drivers. Kepler now abandoned. And Titan-Z most expensive ever made nvidia GTX card have a low performance (compare low priced 980 / titan X) in all new games.

 

[RCoon]

nvidia not made any optimisation for all cards, except 960 970 980 and titan X with all latest version drivers. Kepler now abandoned. And Titan-Z most expensive ever made nvidia GTX card have a low performance (compare low priced 980) in all new games.

AMD's R series GPU's are all rebrands from the 7xxx series, that's why the old 7xxx series has seen optimisation - because there's nothing new and fresh to optimise for besides Hawaii, which is part of the R series.

AMD optimises their "current gen".

NVidia have fresh cards top to bottom. They are optimising their "current gen" of cards, and that includes Maxwell.

It is not unreasonable for a company to only offer optimisations for cards that are still currently earning them money and not others which are no longer being sold and have seen their hayday. Neither company continues to optimise their previous generation of cards, not even AMD. The only way you're going to see persistent optimisations is if a new series has a bunch of rebrands.

 

[cheesy999]

AMD's R series GPU's are all rebrands from the 7xxx series, that's why the old 7xxx series has seen optimisation - because there's nothing new and fresh to optimise for besides Hawaii, which is part of the R series.

AMD optimises their "current gen".

NVidia have fresh cards top to bottom. They are optimising their "current gen" of cards, and that includes Maxwell.

It is not unreasonable for a company to only offer optimisations for cards that are still currently earning them money and not others which are no longer being sold and have seen their hayday. Neither company continues to optimise their previous generation of cards, not even AMD. The only way you're going to see persistent optimisations is if a new series has a bunch of rebrands.

Probably not unreasonable that the owners would get mildly annoyed about it either though, and I say that as a person who has owned no Kepler cards

 

[zoomer-fodder]

rebrands from the 7xxx series

I know that, but I'm not going to worry about. if users bying GTX - nvidia must support it, at least during the warranty period. (3 years) not so fast to throw the previous generation. that's how I should feel, having bought GTX Titan-Z, which 2 times more expensive than the GTX Titan X. however, the performance of cheaper cards is much higher in all new games. it's not business, it's a hoax.

 

[newtekie1]

2013:

2014:

2015:

Looks like the 780 beats the 7970 in 2013 and still beats it in 2015...

/thread

 

[EarthDog]

AMD's R series GPU's are all rebrands from the 7xxx series, that's why the old 7xxx series has seen optimisation - because there's nothing new and fresh to optimise for besides Hawaii, which is part of the R series.

AMD optimises their "current gen".

NVidia have fresh cards top to bottom. They are optimising their "current gen" of cards, and that includes Maxwell.

It is not unreasonable for a company to only offer optimisations for cards that are still currently earning them money and not others which are no longer being sold and have seen their hayday. Neither company continues to optimise their previous generation of cards, not even AMD. The only way you're going to see persistent optimisations is if a new series has a bunch of rebrands.

Not all R series are rebrands, r9 290/290x are not. The rest, for all intents and purposes, are and I agree with the overall assertion you made, surely.





I believe the jury is still out if this is a potential driver optimzation issue for previous generations, or just the Maxwell architecture showing its strength in some areas. There is a huge thread on this already though I thought?????????

 

[RCoon]

if users bying GTX - nvidia must support it, at least during the warranty period. (3 years) not so fast to throw the previous generation.

NVidia nor AMD have anything to do with warranty periods. They provide the chip and the chip only (unless you buy reference).
Kepler launched 2 years ago tomorrow. I'd say free performance increases and general support for 2 years is acceptable. Chip makers don't support a card based on when you bought it, they base it on when they went public with it.

Not all R series are rebrands, r9 290/290x are not.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned Hawaii in that sentence!

 

[rtwjunkie]

Not all R series are rebrands, r9 290/290x are not. The rest, for all intents and purposes, are and I agree with the overall assertion you made, surely.





I believe the jury is still out if this is a potential driver optimzation issue for previous generations, or just the Maxwell architecture showing its strength in some areas. There is a huge thread on this already though I thought?????????

Actually, I was just on the Nvidia forums, and I was correct. The last Nvidia driver that was attuned to "perfecting" Kepler was 347.88. So yeah, people trying to use the newer drivers are going to see issues, or at the very least, no gains from anything newer.

 

[Vayra86]

I know that, but I'm not going to worry about. if users bying GTX - nvidia must support it, at least during the warranty period. (3 years) not so fast to throw the previous generation. that's how I should feel, having bought GTX Titan-Z, which 2 times more expensive than the GTX Titan X. however, the performance of cheaper cards is much higher in all new games. it's not business, it's a hoax.

Seriously? You bought Titan-Z for gaming and you think this is sensible, then you go on saying they don't optimise long enough for it... Dude. Titan-Z is Kepler and Kepler was largely optimized when Titan-Z came out. I reiterate: we have seen a whopping 23% performance increase from Kepler since it launched. We have gained Shader Cache. We have DSR. The GPU hierarchy has NOT changed between 2013 and 2015.

What the fuck?

People have completely lost the plot it seems, and see a conspiracy behind every game released that in many cases needs patching and driver updates (AMD in the case of Project Cars and TW3)... it's a sound example of premature ejaculation. Relax.

 

[zoomer-fodder]

2 years is acceptable.

if nvidia no rebranding 6 to 7 series - its only 1 year - and its not acceptable.

no gains from anything newer.

yes.

Kepler was largely optimized

yes in all old games, and no one new game.

What the fuck?

i have analogy question. nvidia shame.

 

[EarthDog]

Actually, I was just on the Nvidia forums, and I was correct. The last Nvidia driver that was attuned to "perfecting" Kepler was 347.88. So yeah, people trying to use the newer drivers are going to see issues, or at the very least, no gains from anything newer.

Right, but, with the efficiency of the Maxwell architecture for some of these games (texture fill/tessellation etc) how much can a driver really improve things for the majority of people? Half the time fixes are for SLI scaling, or some obscure resolution were problems are happening. Otherwise, its 15% ish give or take a few %. While that is nothing to shake a stick at, it pales in comparison to the efficiency of new architecture + any driver improvements.

 

[RCoon]

if nvidia no rebranding 6 to 7 series - its only 1 year - and its not acceptable. yes. yes in all old games, and no one new game.

So let me get this straight. You bought $1000 worth of GPU, after seeing reviews with XXX% performance. 2 years down the line, you're complaining that the performance you paid for initially is not enough anymore, and want more for free?

That's like buying a ferrari capable of 200mph, then 2 years later complaining that ferrari have not made your car go 250mph for free.

Bare in mind these are chip makers too. They are responsible for chips, not ensuring developers have coded their games efficiently. What AMD and NVidia do in coalition with developers is a bonus, not a requirement.

 

[newtekie1]

yes in all old games, and no one new game.

And AMD hasn't officially released a new driver in almost 6 months. So I'm pretty sure they are much further behind the game than nVidia in current game optimization.

Even in the latest games, even at 4k, the 780 is ahead of the 7970. So your entire claim is baseless anyway.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Right, but, with the efficiency of the Maxwell architecture for some of these games (texture fill/tessellation etc) how much can a driver really improve things for the majority of people? Half the time fixes are for SLI scaling, or some obscure resolution were problems are happening. Otherwise, its 15% ish give or take a few %. While that is nothing to shake a stick at, it pales in comparison to the efficiency of new architecture + any driver improvements.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining one bit. I fully expect that GPU families stop getting optimizations after awhile...it's always been thus. I'm just trying to inform people which driver was the last to eke out any performance increase for Kepler, and suggest that they might want to go back to that one to see if their performance increases a bit. Mine did. That could hold them for awhile until they buy something new.

 

[Toothless]

Is this a "It's not performing like I want it and I want more for free" thread? I really need to get that GT220 back and run BF4 at 4k on it.

 

[zoomer-fodder]

2 years later

GTX Titan-Z not a 2 years old. 1 year.

I want more for free

GTX Titan-Z for free? lol after bying that card - nvidia must kiss my ass 10-15 year for free, its not a sarcasm.
I understand when old cards and middle can be forgotten by the manufacturer, but very powerful or the most powerful - no, this is totally unacceptable.

 

[EarthDog]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining one bit. I fully expect that GPU families stop getting optimizations after awhile...it's always been thus. I'm just trying to inform people which driver was the last to eke out any performance increase for Kepler, and suggest that they might want to go back to that one to see if their performance increases a bit. Mine did. That could hold them for awhile until they buy something new.

Agreed.

Question though, do newer drivers slow things down? I never took an objective look at it and always went with the latest...

GTX Titan-Z not a 2 years old. 1 year.

Kepler, to which it is based off of, was released 3/2012. So it is over 3 years old.

 

[Vayra86]

if nvidia no rebranding 6 to 7 series - its only 1 year - and its not acceptable. yes. yes in all old games, and no one new game. i have analogy question. nvidia shame.

Has it occurred to you that at some point, all the compatibility bits are IN the driver and just need to be switched on or off? Kepler has been optimised. I repeat: has BEEN optimised. It is done, finished. All they do now is flip switches per game to make it run fluidly. And yes, newer tech in games means older cards were not built for that. Take this post in, and learn from it, so you can save yourself some nerd rage in the future.

Card release dates don't matter, architectural releases matter. Titan-Z is kepler, Kepler is 2012/13.