AMD Doesn't Trust its Own Processors - Project Quantum Driven by Intel Core i7-4790K

joyman · Jun 22, 2015

Really going downhill TPU, since the last two years you are really going anti-AMD and so full of crap. I will have to find another tech site to follow, shame, really a shame.

r.h.p · Jun 22, 2015

ensabrenoir said:
...poking at anything Amd before a major launch is to court Fanboy Fury!!! But seriously guys.... the behind the seen conversation at Amd had to be priceless. Imagine if Ford had to use a Dodge Hemi in a truck prototype.....or if all Intel's office and factory computers were Amd powered....gotta learn to laugh at it all

"Nice one , little bit less """"OMG there using a intel cpu lol. "If I can say 1 thing is those glowing amd radeon leds are wicked man .....

Assimilator · Jun 22, 2015

Mutagen240 said:
Holy crap, did not know that. I planned to build with an AMD CPU over a year ago but I could not find m-atx motherboards for my build so I went Intel haswell. Thanks for the info, I'll look into this for my next build.

Presumably you mean mITX? And I'd be careful of going with an mITX AMD board due to power/heat and overclocking concerns.

Durvelle27 · Jun 22, 2015

Very misleading title.

Let's be logical now

AMD as of currently doesn't make any iTX boards for AM3+

They wouldn't use a APU as they are not meant for the high end market

And Zen isn't ready yet

So why not use Intel

AsRock · Jun 22, 2015

OMG people just pick on any thing these days. Ever thought they actually might give a option if you want a AMD or Intel chip in it.

And at this time if i were to buy a such item i would want a Intel chipset \ CPU in it anyways lets face it most of you would too. Some times i wounder if i should buy a load of extra large wooden spoons for people on here for Christmas.

I am sure AMD know what was the best to use at the time and i could not agree more what they used.

ValenOne · Jun 22, 2015

btarunr said:
One of the three unexpected products based on the "Fiji" GPU, which AMD announced at its E3 event, Project Quantum, or the quest to design a 4K-worthy SFF gaming PC, which runs two "Fiji" GPUs in CrossFire, had the press assume that the rest of the system could be AMD-based, such as AMD-branded (albeit Patriot Memory manufactured) memory, AMD-branded (albeit OCZ manufactured) SSD; and importantly an AMD-made CPU or APU. Given its liquid-cooling, the prospect of a 95W "Godavari," or even upcoming "Carrizo" APU didn't seem far-fetched. Even a 95W FX CPU could have been deployed, since AM3+ on mini-ITX is not impossible.

When taken apart, Project Quantum was shown to be running an Intel Core i7-4790K "Devil's Canyon" CPU, on an ASRock-made mini-ITX motherboard, with its non-essential parts soldered out. The i7-4790K is neighbored by a pair of half-height Crucial Ballistix memory modules, which is excusable, since there are no half-height AMD Radeon memory modules, yet. The SSD is AMD-branded. The unit features a unified liquid cooling solution that's custom-made for AMD, by Asetek. A large (200 mm?) radiator, with a single fan, cools the CPU, the PCH, as well as the two "Fiji" GPUs.

Source: Kitguru

If you read http://www.nvidia.com/page/uli_m6117c.html
I don't see Kitguru's Anton Shilov using NVIDIA's 386 CPU instead of Intel's X86 CPU. LOL.

http://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/145393/NVIDIA-Jetson-Pro-Development-Kit.png
NVIDIA'a ARM desktop type motherboard... it's a POS for desktop usage.

http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/03/21/seco-mitx-gpu-devkit-features-nvidia-tegra-3-supports-cuda-5/
SECO mITX GPU DEVKIT that supports Nvidia Tegra 3 and PCI-e x16 connector (PCI Express x4) which is another POS for desktop use..

Kitguru's Anton Shilov is a hypocrite.

If you support Anton Shilov's view point then you are also a hypocrite.

cowie · Jun 22, 2015

the amd family can not get the bs fed to some of you guys fast enough....it's ok to put a chevy motor in the new mustang.

you ran it on your competitors hardware??????????????? that's never ok no matter what you guys say

cokker · Jun 22, 2015

joyman said:
Really going downhill TPU, since the last two years you are really going anti-AMD and so full of crap. I will have to find another tech site to follow, shame, really a shame.

+1

When impartiality has been lost, a site is no longer reputable.

iO · Jun 22, 2015

Stupid title, should be marked as editorial...

"Hey, lets cripple the performance of our dual GPU solution prototype concept with an APU!
Or even better: lets convince a mainboard manufacturer to design an mITX board based on the years old and dead FX platform!!!"...

Everybody knows Intel has faster CPUs, AMD benches their cards with Intels platforms for a few generations now, nothing wrong with it.
Its like saying nVidia doesnt trust its Denver cores because they didnt used it as their platform for their TitanX performance numbers......

btarunr · Jun 22, 2015

iO said:
Its like saying nVidia doesnt trust its Denver cores because they didnt used it as their platform for their TitanX performance numbers......

Didn't know NVIDIA Denver ran Windows 7 and Crysis. TIL.

the54thvoid · Jun 22, 2015

This thread is awesome.
Semantics aplenty. What language Btarunr used is irrelevant. If you think it's trolling or flame bait, so be it.
I couldn't give a poo what's inside a PC of awesome but the fact is clear that, for now, AMD don't have a suitable solution for the device. They've designed a box that can't be suitably powered, for now, by their own processor.
It follows they could have used their own cpu's but technically it would be an issue of not having faith it would work adequately or in other words, AMD does not trust its current CPU architecture (and its concurrent hardware requirements) to work in their uber box of awesome.
Why are people up in arms? In two more days, we'll have a lovely review of what is probably the fastest gfx card of all time. This AMD hating site will tell it how it is.
It's another symptomatic idiom of today's age where the sense of 'injustice' is taken to such levels. This site isn't biased. Editorials may be worded to cause emotive responses but hey, deal with it.

cowie · Jun 22, 2015

yeah what he said^

bpgt64 · Jun 22, 2015

This, is actually a very positive sign of things to come with Zen and such for me. 1st step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one.

GreiverBlade · Jun 22, 2015

bpgt64 said:
This, is actually a very positive sign of things to come with Zen and such for me. 1st step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one.

oh a post that make sense ... quite refreshing, thanks @bpgt64

fortiori · Jun 22, 2015

Is there an editing process here at TPU or can editors post whatever they want to with no oversight?

Because if there is an editing process and this article still made it through then there is a systemic problem and TPU is in trouble.

If there isn't then this article demonstrates a dire need for one.

TPU, all you have is your reputation. This article just took a hammer to it.

Katanai · Jun 22, 2015

rooivalk said:
France Air Force is also bought it's own Rafale before exporting it (although they don't really want to buy it) far before Rafale hit jackpot with Indian Air Force.

Going a bit off-topic here, I don't know where you got your information from but the Rafale is an excellent fighter and no one was ever forced to buy it. It's one of the best war planes ever made. The french air force bought it a bit later not because it didn't want it but because the french navy needed it most for it's carrier to replace the much older planes it had. So the air force started getting them only after 60 planes were delivered to the navy...

bpgt64 · Jun 22, 2015

GreiverBlade said:
oh a post that make sense ... quite refreshing, thanks @bpgt64

tbh, my first custom was an AMD64 3500+ , but I have been using intel in everything since Thubane was a bust... I have given intel untold amounts of money and I am not ashamed at all of it. There product has been better for gaming.

But I'd love to see AMD take them down a peg.

Katanai · Jun 22, 2015

Btarunr dude you have my full support. Sometimes you have to say it like it is. AMD releasing a "next generation" platform and using Intel CPU's in it?!? I mean how the hell are you supposed to not say anything about that in the title?!?

Evildead666 · Jun 22, 2015

btarunr said:
Quantum uses an ITX board with a single x16 slot, and a dual-GPU video card split between two PCBs, with a sandwiched cooling solution (à la GeForce 9800 GX2).

I don't think the video card is split between two PCB's.
The Fury X2 (Dual GPU card), is two GPU's on one card, with the watercooling block sandwiched between the 2 GPU's and the CPU.

librin.so.1 · Jun 22, 2015

iO · Jun 22, 2015

btarunr said:
Didn't know NVIDIA Denver ran Windows 7 and Crysis. TIL.

Fair enough but its well supported in Linux which would give comparable numbers but they dont do it because it would bottleneck the performance.
And for the same reason AMD didnt choose one of their CPUs, especially in a prototype while evaluating max performance, heat, power draw etc.

GhostRyder · Jun 22, 2015

Eh, I knew this already but its not that big a deal as it is.

They already claim they are not competing in the high end market. Since this is focused on showcasing the Fiji cards more than anything is would make sense to pair this with an Intel CPU since they are better for gaming overall. Not only that, but the PCI-E at 3.0 speeds (8x each) is probably a better option (even if 2.0 @ 8x would not be much of a bottleneck if any) just to make sure you have the performance available. Either way, still a cool looking product.

btarunr · Jun 22, 2015

iO said:
Fair enough but its well supported in Linux which would give comparable numbers but they dont do it because it would bottleneck the performance.
And for the same reason AMD didnt choose one of their CPUs, especially in a prototype while evaluating max performance, heat, power draw etc.

Didn't know Crysis, 3DMark, Far Cry 4, <insert relevant benchmarks> ran on PC Linux either.

raghu78 · Jun 22, 2015

Digital Dreams said:
Shitty thread title IMO. As "editor and senior moderator" I expect better from you. This has nothing to do with trust at all. Also people calling you out on your shit hardly makes them fanboys.

seriously this guy is on a mission to troll AMD. AMD is developing the best small factor gaming PC and they are putting the best CPU to drive their GPUs. Its simple for anybody who is not trolling to realize that. :rolleyes:

I think he is getting more than his fair share of generous gifts this month from the green team to improve his trolling efforts. anyway its pathetic for a so called editor to stoop to this level.

ZoneDymo · Jun 22, 2015

Katanai said:
Btarunr dude you have my full support. Sometimes you have to say it like it is. AMD releasing a "next generation" platform and using Intel CPU's in it?!? I mean how the hell are you supposed to not say anything about that in the title?!?

Perhaps you should read more, nobody is saying it should not be mentioned or that this is not perhaps somewhat newsworthy, the title however should be free of personal remarks etc.
Make it : "the new Project Quantum is powered by an Intel i7 4970k" and nobody would have any problem.
Those are just unambiguous facts.

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AMD Doesn't Trust its Own Processors - Project Quantum Driven by Intel Core i7-4790K

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