R9 390 or wait for Fury Nano?

[Dieinafire]

If I was you I would do my homework and see that by 2016 amd very well could be bankrupt and I would by a gpu from a more stable company

 

[kozad]

If I was you I would do my homework and see that by 2016 amd very well could be bankrupt and I would by a gpu from a more stable company

I use a Lumia Icon, low market share doesn't frighten me. And I doubt AMD would just vanish. Companies the size of AMD just can't do that. Lots of options for AMD as an acquisition, but Intel and nVidia certainly would never be allowed to purchase AMD.

It's a pity that Intel never made Larrabee, would have been nice to have more than two GPU makers to choose from.

 

[QUIET!]

If I was you I would do my homework and see that by 2016 amd very well could be bankrupt and I would by a gpu from a more stable company

If you did a little more homework, you would realize Intel operates the way they do intentionally to keep AMD on the ropes.

Recently Intel is worried about Arm core micro servers and has responded with Xeon D. If Intel starts reacting to Arm instead of AMD, that might be an opening for AMD to grab some market share.

Either way, AMD isn't going away, Intel needs their punching bag.

 

[vega22]

even if they did go under they would soon be snapped up for peanuts by samsung or someone and still be a thorn in intel's side.

i have a 290x and the nano is the only card which has sparked my interest with the fury launch.

290x perf from an itx sized card?

do like!

 

[Devon68]

Well I didn't read the whole thread but if it was me I would wait for the R9 Fury Nano. I hope I'm wrong but I think it will be 499$

 

[FordGT90Concept]

It isn't fast enough to sell at that price point.

Well, I'm on a 7750 for now, until pricing and benchmarks for the Nano drop. I assume we will know much more next week. Looking at pricing tiers...

Fury X = $669.99

Fury = $569.99

390X = $429.99

Fury Nano = $369.99?

390 = $329.99

380 =$239.99

...I think $469.99 is the most logical price point. Thoughts?

^ More likely. 390X is very likely to be faster than Nano. Doesn't make sense for it to be priced above its better.

 

[Batou1986]

It isn't fast enough to sell at that price point.


^ More likely. 390X is very likely to be faster than Nano. Doesn't make sense for it to be priced above its better.

Except it will be because HBM AMD expects people to pay for fancy tech that is slower than old tech because they promise DX12 will make it better....
I expect this to be the R9-285 all over again.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

HBM is faster than GDDR5. Keep in mind that GM200 is 10% larger than Fiji whose size is limited by the interposer. Pascal (because it is going HBM as well) will likely have the same size limitation as Fiji.

 

[EarthDog]

Pascal will(supposed to) be on HBM2... which will get around that limitation.

 

[vega22]

as will the 14nm amd gpu which is replacing fury next year.

amd having preferential treatment for hbm2 shipments is what will make next year the most interesting imo.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Unless HBM2 doesn't require hundreds of electrical contacts with the GPU memory controller, HBM2 will require an interposer just like Fiji. Fiji is as big as it can get with the GPU + HBM stacks due to the maximum size of the interposer.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Am I the only one looking at the crossfire 7970 setup, and thinking that instead of buying a new card now you should have waited for the next generation of cards?

Technically, the 7970 will support some variant of DX12 (let's please avoid that gray area). Two 7970s is still quite formidable, and they're built on the exact same process node as the 390/390x/Fury/Nano. This is, by my reckoning, an expensive upgrade that will net little to no benefits if Crossfire has been working for you. Assuming Crossfire has been more problems than it's worth, then moving to a more powerful single card is probably pretty reasonable.



Also, why focus on AMD? I have no love for either the Green Team or the Red Team, I prefer the best bang for the buck. Right now, at the price point you're suggesting, the 980 isn't a bad option.

 

[Vayra86]

Am I the only one looking at the crossfire 7970 setup, and thinking that instead of buying a new card now you should have waited for the next generation of cards?

Technically, the 7970 will support some variant of DX12 (let's please avoid that gray area). Two 7970s is still quite formidable, and they're built on the exact same process node as the 390/390x/Fury/Nano. This is, by my reckoning, an expensive upgrade that will net little to no benefits if Crossfire has been working for you. Assuming Crossfire has been more problems than it's worth, then moving to a more powerful single card is probably pretty reasonable.



Also, why focus on AMD? I have no love for either the Green Team or the Red Team, I prefer the best bang for the buck. Right now, at the price point you're suggesting, the 980 isn't a bad option.

No you're not, I noticed this too, and his Crossfire combo is not even bottlenecking his most played games, it is his CPU that does that.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Am I the only one looking at the crossfire 7970 setup, and thinking that instead of buying a new card now you should have waited for the next generation of cards?

Power consumption. That's why Nano is more attractive than the rest.

 

[GhostRyder]

If I was you I would do my homework and see that by 2016 amd very well could be bankrupt and I would by a gpu from a more stable company

Yea AMD is just going to vanish like has been said for years...How about buying from a company that doesn't disregard 1k-3K video cards right as the next generation comes out.

I use a Lumia Icon, low market share doesn't frighten me. And I doubt AMD would just vanish. Companies the size of AMD just can't do that. Lots of options for AMD as an acquisition, but Intel and nVidia certainly would never be allowed to purchase AMD.

It's a pity that Intel never made Larrabee, would have been nice to have more than two GPU makers to choose from.

You maybe better off just waiting for another generation unless you really want a little more single card power (Or plan on buying two) and lowering power consumption. The way things are going it is unknown exactly where the Nano is going to fall but my guess is around the 390 in terms of performance (Which would not be that huge a step up for you, maybe up to 20% single card performance).

 

[kozad]

Am I the only one looking at the crossfire 7970 setup, and thinking that instead of buying a new card now you should have waited for the next generation of cards?

Technically, the 7970 will support some variant of DX12 (let's please avoid that gray area). Two 7970s is still quite formidable, and they're built on the exact same process node as the 390/390x/Fury/Nano. This is, by my reckoning, an expensive upgrade that will net little to no benefits if Crossfire has been working for you. Assuming Crossfire has been more problems than it's worth, then moving to a more powerful single card is probably pretty reasonable.



Also, why focus on AMD? I have no love for either the Green Team or the Red Team, I prefer the best bang for the buck. Right now, at the price point you're suggesting, the 980 isn't a bad option.

Crossfire is hardly supposed by the titles I wind up playing. It seems to be more aimed at FPS and racing games, which I don't really care for. Oh, and Batman games. Yay... *sarcasm*

GTA V is the only one I've played which used it properly, but I feel the bridge between the two cards hampered performance (newer cards use the PCIe bus for Crossfire rather than a ribbon cable) .

Watch Dogs and other games I've played which use Crossfire only use 50% of each card and that caused worse performance than a single card. I am upgrading for more VRAM, full DX12 support (Yes, the 7970 is GCN, thus DX12 ready), and a slightly faster GPU.

Slightly Faster GPU+Much Faster VRAM+Slightly More VRAM (Fury Nano)

Slightly Faster GPU+Way More VRAM (R9 390)

I stand to gain significant performance gains over a single 7970 or a crippled Crossfire implementation by games by moving to either card, but as GW2 is DX9 and CPU bound, I don't expect to see much improvement on that title. Other games, like GTAV, will benefit hugely from the upgrade. I might actually finish the game if the graphics are smooth and more lifelike. :3 I like to play all my games on Ultra settings, and I also expect that I will be buying into VR once mainstream games start to support it.

Why AMD? Price. Plus, each time I've had an nVidia card, it's ended up overheating and dying. I've never had that happen with AMD on a desktop, only mobile (coz heatpipes suck). Plus, the GTX 980 starts around $400 used on eBay. That's a little steep for me - if that was a Fury, I'd be on it in an instant, but yeah...

 

[kozad]

No you're not, I noticed this too, and his Crossfire combo is not even bottlenecking his most played games, it is his CPU that does that.

Yeah, even with a new SSD in my rig, I can feel the CPU holding me back - Windows 10 loads up the lockscreen from a cold boot anywhere from instantly to 2 seconds, yay, but applications don't just flop open like I've seen on Intel hardware. However, I am waiting for AMD's Zen FX chips. If they are $200 and even with a top end i5 or better, I'll stay on AMD, but if Zen fails to impress me, I will migrate to an i7.

 

[kozad]

Not to blow up my own thread, but where the hell IS the Nano? I was expecting benchmarks to start landing this week. =(

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Maybe 2 Fury Nano's? I love my 980 ti's in SLI but I figure you don't like the green team that much. Good luck no matter what you pick.

People have been selling used 390X's for pretty cheap already. You might be able to snatch one up!

 

[kozad]

u don't like the green team that much. Good luck

Oh, that's right, people sell cards on here, don't they?

I'm not sure I have the clearance for a 390X in my case - depends. I could just BARELY get a 7970 Sapphire Dual-X into my top PCIe slot, haha.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Not to blow up my own thread, but where the hell IS the Nano? I was expecting benchmarks to start landing this week. =(

No date has been announced other than "summer."

 

[kozad]

No date has been announced other than "summer."

Ugh... Well, photos of it in a mobo hit Instagram last week, from a guy who will likely be benching it, so I guess 2 weeks tops until we see some numbers.

 

[Aquinus]

I'm not sure I have the clearance for a 390X in my case - depends. I could just BARELY get a 7970 Sapphire Dual-X into my top PCIe slot, haha.

The 390 and 390X are about the same size. If you can't fit one, there is a good bet you can't fit the other either. I would make sure you get a ruler and measure to find out exactly how much room you have.

 

[Xzibit]

No date has been announced other than "summer."

Summer doesn't end until Sept 23.

In the last conference call Lisa was quoted saying "August time frame". From now until the 31st unless something changes. Then we are back to summer time frame.

AMD Preps Tiny Radeon R9 Nano Graphics Card for August Release

"Fury just launched, actually this week, and we will be launching Nano in the August timeframe," said AMD CEO Lisa Su.

 

[GhostRyder]

Crossfire is hardly supposed by the titles I wind up playing. It seems to be more aimed at FPS and racing games, which I don't really care for. Oh, and Batman games. Yay... *sarcasm*

GTA V is the only one I've played which used it properly, but I feel the bridge between the two cards hampered performance (newer cards use the PCIe bus for Crossfire rather than a ribbon cable) .

Watch Dogs and other games I've played which use Crossfire only use 50% of each card and that caused worse performance than a single card. I am upgrading for more VRAM, full DX12 support (Yes, the 7970 is GCN, thus DX12 ready), and a slightly faster GPU.

Slightly Faster GPU+Much Faster VRAM+Slightly More VRAM (Fury Nano)

Slightly Faster GPU+Way More VRAM (R9 390)

I stand to gain significant performance gains over a single 7970 or a crippled Crossfire implementation by games by moving to either card, but as GW2 is DX9 and CPU bound, I don't expect to see much improvement on that title. Other games, like GTAV, will benefit hugely from the upgrade. I might actually finish the game if the graphics are smooth and more lifelike. :3 I like to play all my games on Ultra settings, and I also expect that I will be buying into VR once mainstream games start to support it.

Why AMD? Price. Plus, each time I've had an nVidia card, it's ended up overheating and dying. I've never had that happen with AMD on a desktop, only mobile (coz heatpipes suck). Plus, the GTX 980 starts around $400 used on eBay. That's a little steep for me - if that was a Fury, I'd be on it in an instant, but yeah...

At this point it is better to wait because unless they decide to delay it we are going to see it within the next 2 weeks. Like I said waiting would be the best thing overall if you had the 7970's still. You could (If you want the most improvement without breaking the bank) buy the MSI R9 390X which has the highest overclocks available (Unless I missed a card) for the single card performance as well and a great cooler as an alternative to waiting on the Fury Nano. But you might want to just wait anyways for the Nano because it could be around the performance of the 390-390X which if nothing else might cause prices to change!