Likelihood of 6 or 8 core Skylake (LGA1151)?

[RejZoR]

Sabertooth isn't an memory overclocking board, never has been. It's about the ultimate in longevity and stability with modest clocks. If you want memory OC, buy the ROG series, and for serious OC, only the Extreme will do (limits on BIOS options in the least).




Memory OC above 3466 is only BIOS-limited, nothing else. Ranger COULD run 3600 with the right BIOS (probably coming soon). NO board would run 3600 when I first got my 3600 MHz sticks... now every board I have does.

Actually I didn't have overclocking in mind. Just sticking a RAM that is already factory clocked at that rate. It's then just a matter of board actually supporting that.

I have rather cheap G.Skill 3000MHz CL15 16GB 2x8 kit in my sight because why not. I mean, why pay almost the same price for 2133MHz if I can get 3000MHz at same timings for like only 5-10 € more...

 

[cadaveca]

That's a good way to look at it. 3000 MHz gives nice bandwidth too, better than the best DDR3 offers, although with slightly added latency in comparison

 

[Woomack]

@RejZoR , If you think about Ripjaws V 3000 15-15-15 then I just got one for review and it's working fine @3200 16-16-16 1.35V on Hero what is offering higher memory performance. It won't change much but wanted to add it as an info.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

There is, to my knowledge, no plans to go with a 6 core mainstream offering in the next three years. That will cover Skylake, and its successor.

The argument can be made that this may happen when the enthusiast level hardware moves to offering 8 cores to start, but that seems like an ask. Intel is focusing an inordinate amount of its resources toward a competent iGPU on the mainstream chips, and with 4K being their future target the CPU portion of their CPU is going to become a smaller and smaller chunk of each die.



As far as a 5 year plan, meh. Skylake seems to be uniformly torpedoing any Haswell upgrade plans. Whether Intel allows something in the Broadwell-e family to release, or mirrors the mainstream offerings of functionally nothing in Broadwell, seems to be a toss-up.


Given that Skylake is still in the price gouging phase of its existence, I'd wait another month or two to make any decisions. The 920 in your specifications isn't exactly nothing.

 

[cadaveca]

I have Hero for 2 weeks now and it was working at 1st BIOS up to 4000+. Actually I haven't seen any improvements on newer releases.

Yeah, I had both boards and actual 3600 MHz since before the launch, so I got to see the changes.

The argument can be made that this may happen when the enthusiast level hardware moves to offering 8 cores to start, but that seems like an ask. Intel is focusing an inordinate amount of its resources toward a competent iGPU on the mainstream chips, and with 4K being their future target the CPU portion of their CPU is going to become a smaller and smaller chunk of each die.

This is the deciding factor for me. You could compare Haswell-E and Skylake like SKT 1366 and 1156. 1366 has held up, 1156...not so much. The iGPU chip is not really meant to be the top performer; it'll largely end up in office boxes and mid-grade systems, while Haswell-E's lack of iGPU and the added cost of adding video connectivity will limit its adoption on a wide scale except for those that have actual use for the added cores.

 

[RejZoR]

I know that RAM speed doesn't add up much, but if I get it cheap, why not. I assume 6700K doesn't have linked BCLK and DRAM clocks? Only reason I've gone for higher spec 1600MHz with i7 920 was because overclocking BCLK also increased DRAM clock. So, if you had 1066MHz RAM you had to actually push it over the spec. Where with 1600MHz, you were merely getting it up to spec.

So, if they aren't linked on 6700K, then even 2400MHz max is ok on the Sabertooth Z170...

 

[Frag_Maniac]

I was psyched for Skylake, but after seeing the mediocre benches, I'm waiting to see what Zen will be like. I'm not really planning to do my core upgrade until Pascal or an AMD equivalent comes out anyway.

 

[RejZoR]

I had same plans but unexpected things happened in between and I have to change the platform ahead of time.

 

[Aquinus]

I assume 6700K doesn't have linked BCLK and DRAM clocks?

I forgot about that little perk. I think the 6700k doesn't have the DMI and PCI-E clock based off of the BCLK anymore which makes it super flexible like in the 775 days iirc. Someone else should probably confirm that though before I start running my mouth about something I know very little about.

I was psyched for Skylake, but after seeing the mediocre benches, I'm waiting to see what Zen will be like. I'm not really planning to do my core upgrade until Pascal or an AMD equivalent comes out anyway.

Mediocre compared to Intel's own lineup. Flexibility and a different overclocking experience could be worth it IMHO. I remember something about Haswell being a PITA to overclock? Once again, I shouldn't say too much about something I know very little about.

 

[RejZoR]

PCIe isn't an issue for quite some time now, however it seems that every CPU that has IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) has DRAM inherently linked to the FSB/BCLK. If this one goes up, DRAM clock also goes up. Which in my book means you have to buy a faster RAM from the start to avoid stability issues on the RAM front.

 

[cadaveca]

PCIe isn't an issue for quite some time now, however it seems that every CPU that has IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) has DRAM inherently linked to the FSB/BCLK. If this one goes up, DRAM clock also goes up. Which in my book means you have to buy a faster RAM from the start to avoid stability issues on the RAM front.

Nope, doesn't work that way, since you aren't limited by CPU multi. You could run 100 BCLK and 80x CPU multi, and get 8 GHz, so ram has no impact on available speed, other than by the load it places on the system.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Now I'm back to 6700k, but this time because I'm wondering how likely it is for LGA1151 receiving a 6 or 8 (preferably with 12 and 16 HT threads) core CPU in the future (lets say mid to late 2016)? Any Intel charts on their future plans regarding this?

The day pigs fly.

Broadwell-E (Q1 2016) -- I'm still not convinced Intel didn't scrap it.
Zen (Q1 2016)
Skylake-E (Q3 2016)

Go 6700K and be happy. It's really the best option...for now...or you can wait until 2016.

I have a 920 and decided to take the plunge. I will probably upgrade again next year to Zen or Skylake-E.

 

[blunt14468]

still kinda happy with my 2700k. I'm trying to hold out for Skylake-E. I feel the same way as the OP as far as core count is concerned.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Mediocre compared to Intel's own lineup. Flexibility and a different overclocking experience could be worth it IMHO. I remember something about Haswell being a PITA to overclock? Once again, I shouldn't say too much about something I know very little about.

No, you're right actually, but then no one's going to compare to anything BUT Intel with AMD's current lineup being so unimpressive. What got me besides the actual CPU's performance was that DDR4 itself showed slightly worse performance in games.

Whether that will improve over time with lower CAS modules, better chipset drivers, or AMD's Zen CPUs and chipsets, I'd like to see before I make my decision.

 

[horik]

I was psyched for Skylake, but after seeing the mediocre benches, I'm waiting to see what Zen will be like. I'm not really planning to do my core upgrade until Pascal or an AMD equivalent comes out anyway.

Same here, so I just got a new 16GB memory kit and will save for later those 700€ i was about to spend.

 

[BiGg RiE]

I realize it's been 6 months since this thread has been active. Reading through this I was able to get many of my questions answered.

I would love some input from you guys on whether or not I should wait or upgrade now.

Current set up:

i7 920 @ 4.2ghz stable (can get it up to 4.4 but restarts every few days)
Gigabyte ud3r x58 v.1
18gb of ddr3 1600mhz
Corsair h80i
500 GB ssd crucial mx200
EVGA 980ti hybrid
3 x 22" 1680x1050 monitors for triple
1x37" 1080p lcd monitor (used to game on this but fell in love with triple monitor gaming since getting my 980 ti hybrid)
monitor gaming

I want to upgrade my screens to g-sync's with one ultra wide 2560x1080 middle monitor & 2x 1920x1080 monitors for either side of the ultra wide. Also Considering the predator 35" g-sync as a total replacement for triple monitor but would prefer the wider view point of a triple monitor set up.

Everywhere I've looked 1x 980 ti can't do 6400x1080 is this something I can't do with nvidia period or do I just need to add another 980 ti?

The bigger question is I'm trying to decide between skylake and Haswell. I plan to get another 980 ti hybrid for sli. I want to upgrade but would like your input if I should wait for what's coming from Intel?

I run couch potato, sickbeard , sabnzbd+, I'm also a graphic designer, Web Developer, and I do some video editing. I want to be able to have Photoshop, Dreamweaver, 20+ tabs on 3 different browsers open, and not have to close everything out to game.

As it stands I'm able to run most games maxed out with no lag on triple monitor, latest game I've done this with is dying light. Also 2013 version of tomb raider, dishonored, shadows of mordor.

Currently considering for the upgrade:

5930k
5820k
6700k

My main focus is performance!

What say you? Thanks in advance!

 

[RejZoR]

Don't bother with 6700K. 5930K only if you plan on using multi-GPU or M.2 NVMe. Which leaves you with 5820K. It's a damn fine CPU. I guess all of them clock to 4.5 GHz easily. Anything beyond this depends on the batch. 6 core at 4.5 GHz ain't bad at all.

Though, AMD Zen is really close now I think, would you be willing to wait or are you too eager to upgrade like I was back in autumn 2015 ?

 

[trog100]

i get the urge to upgrade.. its an urge that comes on no matter you already have.. the daft bit is tying to justify it financially..

or in any other way apart from scratching an itch that deep down you know will come back in six months time no matter what you buy now.. he he

trog

 

[Devon68]

Though, AMD Zen is really close now I think, would you be willing to wait

Really hope Zen will be awesome. Lately most of the hyped things turned out to be MEH after release.

 

[BiGg RiE]

Don't bother with 6700K. 5930K only if you plan on using multi-GPU or M.2 NVMe. Which leaves you with 5820K. It's a damn fine CPU. I guess all of them clock to 4.5 GHz easily. Anything beyond this depends on the batch. 6 core at 4.5 GHz ain't bad at all.

Though, AMD Zen is really close now I think, would you be willing to wait or are you too eager to upgrade like I was back in autumn 2015 ?

I'm itching to upgrade, but I'm fine waiting a bit, I would be ok, getting the monitors, and being content with that for a while, and maybe spending what I would spend now on the entire upgrade of the core components cpu, ram, mobo, m.2 drive, etc... on a 2nd 980 ti hybrid, I'd have to change my case or mount the 2nd hybrids radiator on the window of my current case. I really want better monitors right now. and that's looking like quite a hefty investment if I get decent sized g-sync monitors.

how long until Zen comes out? I feel like I made the right descision going with x58 way back in 2011. But tbqh, I have the exact same CPU I did when I built this system, and it's been a beast of a machine thus far, I mean hitting 4.2 stable on a 2.8 cpu is really good in my book, I was only hoping for a 4ghz overclock! This was the 1st intel system I'd ever built, and I don't miss AMD one bit, I did re-purpose my old AMD gaming rig x6400(now phenom 9950) original crosshair Mobo, to my media rig which houses all my plex content. I also see that AMD GPU's have less issues with different resolution monitors like My described set up above.

IDK, like I said, the main focus for me is performance, and keeping performance high even when multi tasking. If I'm being honest I've been leaning toward the 5930, because of the extra lanes, more established market etc... but I hear skylake has better single threaded performance and that the multitasking difference is nil, unless I'm encoding video 90% of the time, which I am not.

 

[Tomgang]

I realize it's been 6 months since this thread has been active. Reading through this I was able to get many of my questions answered.

I would love some input from you guys on whether or not I should wait or upgrade now.

Current set up:

i7 920 @ 4.2ghz stable (can get it up to 4.4 but restarts every few days)
Gigabyte ud3r x58 v.1
18gb of ddr3 1600mhz
Corsair h80i
500 GB ssd crucial mx200
EVGA 980ti hybrid
3 x 22" 1680x1050 monitors for triple
1x37" 1080p lcd monitor (used to game on this but fell in love with triple monitor gaming since getting my 980 ti hybrid)
monitor gaming

I want to upgrade my screens to g-sync's with one ultra wide 2560x1080 middle monitor & 2x 1920x1080 monitors for either side of the ultra wide. Also Considering the predator 35" g-sync as a total replacement for triple monitor but would prefer the wider view point of a triple monitor set up.

Everywhere I've looked 1x 980 ti can't do 6400x1080 is this something I can't do with nvidia period or do I just need to add another 980 ti?

The bigger question is I'm trying to decide between skylake and Haswell. I plan to get another 980 ti hybrid for sli. I want to upgrade but would like your input if I should wait for what's coming from Intel?

I run couch potato, sickbeard , sabnzbd+, I'm also a graphic designer, Web Developer, and I do some video editing. I want to be able to have Photoshop, Dreamweaver, 20+ tabs on 3 different browsers open, and not have to close everything out to game.

As it stands I'm able to run most games maxed out with no lag on triple monitor, latest game I've done this with is dying light. Also 2013 version of tomb raider, dishonored, shadows of mordor.

Currently considering for the upgrade:

5930k
5820k
6700k

My main focus is performance!

What say you? Thanks in advance!

As a fellow X58/I7 920 user i can relay to you. Im not in to say what you shut do, but there is another option for you also. I dont no if you have the need for the newer spec like USB 3, sata 3, M2 support and so on.

if not have you considered upgrading your I7 920 to a 6 core X58 CPU like a xeon or I7 970, 980, 990X chip and overclock the crap out of it. The Xeon can whit a little luck be found to a low price on ebay and whit that a very cheap cpu upgrade.
Get a second used GTX 980 Ti for som sli and you still have at killer gamer pc or you cut wait for the next GPU generation from nvidia/amd and se how these things performe.
And when there is maybe even still money for your G-sync monitor by selling your old monitors.

Take a look at my old rig just whit two GTX 970 in sli. This thread can maybe help you to deside what to do.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...bsolete-lets-get-some-numbers-and-see.220831/

 

[BiGg RiE]

As a fellow X58/I7 920 user i can relay to you. Im not in to say what you shut do, but there is another option for you also. I dont no if you have the need for the newer spec like USB 3, sata 3, M2 support and so on.

if not have you considered upgrading your I7 920 to a 6 core X58 CPU like a xeon or I7 970, 980, 990X chip and overclock the crap out of it. The Xeon can whit a little luck be found to a low price on ebay and whit that a very cheap cpu upgrade.
Get a second used GTX 980 Ti for som sli and you still have at killer gamer pc or you cut wait for the next GPU generation from nvidia/amd and se how these things performe.
And when there is maybe even still money for your G-sync monitor by selling your old monitors.

Take a look at my old rig just whit two GTX 970 in sli. This thread can maybe help you to deside what to do.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...bsolete-lets-get-some-numbers-and-see.220831/

Man o Man, can't wait to read this.. thought about this option a few months back.. but kinda forgot about it! I would be ok waiting if this gave me some performance gains.

 

[BiGg RiE]

As a fellow X58/I7 920 user i can relay to you. Im not in to say what you shut do, but there is another option for you also. I dont no if you have the need for the newer spec like USB 3, sata 3, M2 support and so on.

if not have you considered upgrading your I7 920 to a 6 core X58 CPU like a xeon or I7 970, 980, 990X chip and overclock the crap out of it. The Xeon can whit a little luck be found to a low price on ebay and whit that a very cheap cpu upgrade.
Get a second used GTX 980 Ti for som sli and you still have at killer gamer pc or you cut wait for the next GPU generation from nvidia/amd and se how these things performe.
And when there is maybe even still money for your G-sync monitor by selling your old monitors.

Take a look at my old rig just whit two GTX 970 in sli. This thread can maybe help you to deside what to do.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...bsolete-lets-get-some-numbers-and-see.220831/

So what would yield a better upgrade?

980x or x5690

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Though, AMD Zen is really close now I think, would you be willing to wait or are you too eager to upgrade like I was back in autumn 2015 ?

This was my thought exactly. Zen might be pretty good.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

So what would yield a better upgrade?

980x or x5690

X5690 are pricey. I have had X5650 and X5670.

Value for money......go for X5650 if you are sticking with X58 platform.

I am not ashamed to call myself a Xeon fanboy.