Now Win10 is out have you gone back to 8 or older?

scevism · Sep 16, 2015

Win 10. WOW great worked with all my hardware from win 8.1 prg all ok games have loads fps like grid autosport can run max settings on my 780ti
never could do that on win 8

Also i have a major problem with win 10. Power off the pc. And power up get stuck in that windows screen loop crap. reboot power off reboot power off. Joke aint it.

rtwjunkie · Sep 16, 2015

That power up problem is one I am seeing everywhere, including mine. Obviously MS didn't test the hell out of this as one would expect.

manofthem · Sep 16, 2015

Just finished getting my last pc to 10 last night.

Only issue I can recall was a video driver on my main rig, but that was sorted out without too much difficulty.

CjStaal · Sep 16, 2015

Blue-Knight said:
Actually, I moved to newer. I moved to "Linux".

Actually, I moved to newer. I moved to "Linux". A real operating system.

Same here. I was dual booting 8.1 and Arch. Upgraded to Win10 and liked it, but I decided to just go straight Arch.

FordGT90Concept · Sep 16, 2015

My start menu sometimes doesn't want to open and more often than not, the notification menu doesn't want to open at all. I'm seeing a lot of different quirks spread across several different hardware configurations. It's not enough to make me abandon ship but Microsoft has a lot of shit to fix.

scevism said:
Also i have a major problem with win 10. Power off the pc. And power up get stuck in that windows screen loop crap. reboot power off reboot power off. Joke aint it.

Could be an issue with the graphics driver/device. It reboots after installing the generic Microsoft driver. The System event logs can be enlightening. Source is Kernel-Boot.

Speaking of which, I'm seeing a ton of errors including unexpected system restarts that I did not witness. Most of this stuff I don't recognize either. I chalk it up to the above message.

R-T-B · Sep 16, 2015

Re the power up issue: Two words: Fast Startup.

Turn if off under power options. Be normal again.

Luka KLLP · Sep 16, 2015

hat said:
I just noticed that Windows 10 doesn't seem to know what the alphabet is. Icons are way out of order, set to order by name. Maddening...

Maybe the mu is messing things up? Because if you ignore the recycle bin staying in the top left, everything above and below the mu is sorted separately. If you had it in a configuration where the mu was in the same spot and the same stuff was above and below it, I can see it being ordered in the way you showed

anubis44 · Sep 16, 2015

I've upgraded my own computer, my girlfriend's computer and my HTPC to Windows 10. All 3 are running just fine. Used the DVD .ISO download and ran the upgrade from the DVD without any issues whatsoever. Looking forward to DX12 games on my Radeon R9 290 card.

rtwjunkie · Sep 16, 2015

R-T-B said:
Re the power up issue: Two words: Fast Startup.

Turn if off under power options. Be normal again.

Already did. Diabled hiberfil as well. Its still a 1 in 3 crapshoot.

R-T-B · Sep 16, 2015

rtwjunkie said:
Already did. Diabled hiberfil as well. Its still a 1 in 3 crapshoot.

Ah. That's odd. I have things as old as a Toughbook CF-52 mk1 (basically a core 2 duo ULV model) running Windows 10 no prob. I wonder what's different with your setup that would cause this?

Whatever it is, I'm not blaming you. It should work right in standard setups. Just thinking outloud. You know I'm as big a critic as 10 as any (albeit, on privacy grounds more than anything).

rtwjunkie · Sep 16, 2015

R-T-B said:
Ah. That's odd. I have things as old as a Toughbook CF-52 mk1 (basically a core 2 duo ULV model) running Windows 10 no prob. I wonder what's different with your setup that would cause this?

Whatever it is, I'm not blaming you. It should work right in standard setups. Just thinking outloud. You know I'm as big a critic as 10 as any (albeit, on privacy grounds more than anything).

I'm sure I will find what it is eventually (it's just odd that so many have the problem too), but I just can't be enthused enough to spend more than 30 minutes at a time working on it. That's why I'm glad I set up a project PC for this. It has the benefit of not making me rage, LOL!

Drone · Sep 16, 2015

I've just seen Aul's retweet and rushed to do a clean install of 10537 build. Was glad to see that they patched Mcupdate_genuineintel.dll and applied all the patches.

And yeah just like Aul said this version activated right away on my Windows 10 machine. They changed start menu color

Didn't make any real changes in Edge. But they promised to add tab preview in the next version

hat · Sep 16, 2015

Luka KLLP said:
Maybe the mu is messing things up? Because if you ignore the recycle bin staying in the top left, everything above and below the mu is sorted separately. If you had it in a configuration where the mu was in the same spot and the same stuff was above and below it, I can see it being ordered in the way you showed

Nah, tried renaming it to "utorrent" and it still looks like the screenshot.

Drone · Sep 16, 2015

Found interesting article

Start menu in Windows 10 is unable to handle more than 512 items

Good news they're gonna fix it soon

Drone · Sep 17, 2015

Release notes for Windows 10 build 10540

MS says this build has lots of optimizations and will give performance boot. Boot time and power usage reduction, improved DirectX support and much more.

Can't wait for November. Anyone who didn't upgrade from 8 to 10 can wait for this build lol.

FordGT90Concept · Sep 17, 2015

Drone said:
Found interesting article

Start menu in Windows 10 is unable to handle more than 512 items

Good news they're gonna fix it soon

I experienced that bug when I first updated over a month ago. It was never fixed by the time I formatted. I ended up running a lot of programs via Run and via File Explorer. It was a nuisance.

Drone · Sep 17, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
I experienced that bug when I first updated over a month ago. It was never fixed by the time I formatted. I ended up running a lot of programs via Run and via File Explorer. It was a nuisance.

They didn't fix it yet. Also W10 has lame wifi support. Lots of people complained that they lose connection time after time with Broadcom or Atheros network adapter. I had a couple of problems myself. Hope they fix it in November release.

I guess it'd be nice a decision if I upgraded in November, meh whatever it's all said and done.

Drone · Sep 19, 2015

Just checked Aul's tweets and installed build 10547 from the fast ring. I recommend it everyone who's on the fast ring. Here's why:

Microsoft finally patched all wifi drivers and now wireless connection is perfect. They updated mcupdate_genuineintel.dll and audiodg.exe again. Lots of performance and optimization fixes and tons of other under the hood stuff with latest patches and all. As they promised boot time is improved and overall installation is faster and size is smaller.

GUI changed too. New animations, icons and stuff.

Icons in Device Manager changed ... yeah again

Edge upgraded. It works faster and needs less memory than before but it's not perfect still and they didn't add tab preview yet

They updated Internet Explorer and all other Desktop and Start Menu Apps. Calculator, Calendar, Mail, Cortana, Music, Photos, Movies, Xbox, Store, Phone Companion, Microsoft Wi-Fi.

It's my out of the box start menu screenshot. They added Candy Crush Saga, Farmville 2, iHeartRadio, Twitter, Flipboard.

Really nice version can't wait for November to get my hands on Threshold 2.

scevism · Sep 20, 2015

R-T-B said:
Re the power up issue: Two words: Fast Startup.

Turn if off under power options. Be normal again.

Tried that still no luck. What is a pain in the ass is sometimes it will boot straight in no problem.
Then sometimes it takes 10mins of rebooting power off etc strange. :rolleyes:

PLAfiller · Sep 20, 2015

I just allowed the update to install today on my laptop. I can't afford a fresh install. The update went fine for the most part, drivers ok. Apart from this issue on Lenovo E530. On start up I have this:

I went in and downloaded from Lenovo the latest driver and same thing. When I go to Control Panel and open the new Dolby Control panle Plus it opens perfectly fine. I am pretty sure with a fresh install this issue won't be there, but I really really can't do this now. I have external USB sound card, so I can live with it for the time being. I saw other people having the same problem, no effective solution yet. Also noticed form the screenshots here, not all my icons have changed

but as expected from update.

Edit: I think I will follow your advice @FordGT90Concept . I will uninstall the Conexat drivers, disable any remaining stuff in the startup tab in task manager, unistall the device, restart and let Windows "discover" the new device, but not put Lenovo's drivers afterwards.

FordGT90Concept · Sep 20, 2015

I'd just uninstall it and use Microsoft HD Audio driver for the time being. In my experience, it works better than the manufacturer drivers.

Hood · Sep 20, 2015

Did the "upgrade", suffered several annoying bugs/random driver crashes, also Windows Explorer was very slow most of the time . So I did a clean install using the key generated by my upgrade (and it activated itself through hardware I. D.). Still had same bugs and crashes, so I reloaded 8.1 Pro and all is well again. Later, I might try another clean install, after 10 has had time to "mature" and hardware drivers are updated to actually work.

P4-630 · Sep 21, 2015

Hood said:
Did the "upgrade", suffered several annoying bugs/random driver crashes, also Windows Explorer was very slow most of the time . So I did a clean install using the key generated by my upgrade (and it activated itself through hardware I. D.). Still had same bugs and crashes, so I reloaded 8.1 Pro and all is well again. Later, I might try another clean install, after 10 has had time to "mature" and hardware drivers are updated to actually work.

My HDD suddenly stopped spinning intermittently with windows 10, I'm back to windows 7SP1 on my old laptop and there was nothing wrong with my HDD afterall.
Did you had the same problem as me?

Drone · Sep 21, 2015

These days whatever happens blame it on Windows 10. Just like Comet Hysteria in medieval times. Plague outbreaks - blame it on comets, king died - blame it on comets, war everywhere - blame it on comets.

rtwjunkie · Sep 21, 2015

Drone said:
These days whatever happens blame it on Windows 10. Just like Comet Hysteria in medieval times. Plague outbreaks - blame it on comets, king died - blame it on comets, war everywhere - blame it on comets.

But when problems only appear with W10, and then go away without W10, what is one to think? Basically, this OS was rushed to market and was released 6-8 months too early.

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Now Win10 is out have you gone back to 8 or older?

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