Are All GHZ Created Equal on CPU's in Gaming

[EarthDog]

im also prolly going to do a r9 380x depending how it does when it comes out

Its going to fall between the 390 and 380...

 

[ZweiGaming]

Just an additional comparison, I've got a system that has an i3-4160 in it. It overall feels snappier, and even most games play better with the same GTX 760 that the old QX9650 used to have. Both cpu speeds are/were 3.6GHz.

I then decided to do an Anand comparison and my gut was right, comparing an i3-4330 (closest I could find to a 4160), and the 4330 is fadter for the most part.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/49?vs=1192

i spent $40 on the Q8300 so i mean it wasnt that big of a loss in my eyes if its handling what i wanna play for now and Earth dog i know its gonna fall between them im just hoping it doesnt turn out to be a bad choice compared to getting a 970

 

[mickel116]

btw: did you try to oc you're q8300? whats you're ram speed? whats the chipset of the board?
you can get at least to 3.0 ghz, with almost the same power and heat..

 

[ZweiGaming]

btw: did you try to oc you're q8300? whats you're ram speed? whats the chipset of the board?

motherboard does not allow oc,ing its 8gb ddr2 at 800mhz and the chipset is lga 775

 

[mickel116]

lga 775 is the socket. the chipset is the the heart of the motherboard, p35/41/g41/45/x38/48..
can you give us the specific model of the board?

 

[ZweiGaming]

lga 775 is the socket. the chipset is the the heart of the motherboard, p35/41/g41/45..
can you give us the specific model of the board?

i honestly do not know it all i know is that it is a asus, one sec ill tell you
if im not mistaken its an asus P5Q and it not very pretty at all
just found out it does allow oc'ing

 

[Mussels]

i honestly do not know it all i know is that it is a asus, one sec ill tell you
if im not mistaken its an asus P5Q and it not very pretty at all

its another thing worth learning about in your quest for better hardware: even in the same socket there can be several generations of chipsets and CPU's. in socket 1155 (the hardware i have) there was roughly three generations with three models each - so a total of 9 different chipsets and two major CPU revisions (2xx0 series and 3xx0 series) - putting a 3770k on a first gen 1155 board wouldnt even boot without an updated BIOS.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

okay on another note would this be a good streaming machine? I was Going to start saving my money from each paycheck for a couple months till i was able to get thisView attachment 68279

this build would be better for less money- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Wh7cD3

 

[mickel116]

i honestly do not know it all i know is that it is a asus, one sec ill tell you
if im not mistaken its an asus P5Q and it not very pretty at all
just found out it does allow oc'ing

that's not a bad board at all, you can safely just up the FSB to 400. it will give you an effective clock of 3.0 ghz, without OCing you're ram. maybe you will need a slight bump in core voltage, i don't really remember..

 

[Mussels]

this build would be better for less money- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Wh7cD3

thats a nice build. buy me one too.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

I would suggest taking a skylake CPU if you are going to do a new build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($248.95 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Directron)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-K ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($132.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($317.93 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $919.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-01 10:13 EDT-0400

Storage and case is pretty much up to you. I think the i5 is probably more than OK to do streaming on, at least on less demanding games. You can always revert to Quicksync and NVenc on the newer cards.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

I would suggest taking a skylake CPU if you are going to do a new build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($248.95 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Directron)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-K ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($132.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($317.93 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $919.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-01 10:13 EDT-0400

Storage and case is pretty much up to you. I think the i5 is probably more than OK to do streaming on, at least on less demanding games. You can always revert to Quicksync and NVenc on the newer cards.

too expensive compared to my build (which for $100 more included a i7 4790k, a 500GB Samsung SSD, and a Corsair 200R case). Difference between Haswell and Skylake is very small (IIRC, it's actually smaller than the difference between Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge). The only point that that build is faster or better performing than mine is in the GPU. So, to answer that, I present you people with this- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hYW2sY

 

[mickel116]

nice build, with this psu you can easily take the 390, save a few bucks and have more Vram.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

nice build, with this psu you can easily take the 390, save a few bucks and have more Vram.

R9 390 and GTX 970 cards are in the same price bracket- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/NrmynQ

 

[mickel116]

well. then its a mater of will he OC the card, and who pays for the power bill
but for some reason i believe the 390 will be more future proof for the non OCing costumer..

 

[hat]

define 'streaming' - you mean for gaming and streaming your gaming live online?

If so it would suffice, but you probably would want an i7 for the extra CPU threads, as that kind of live video streaming/encoding is very CPU heavy.

Couldn't one take advantage of QuickSync to use the iGPU to handle the encoding?

 

[Mussels]

Couldn't one take advantage of QuickSync to use the iGPU to handle the encoding?

while that may be possible, i never rely on hardware encoding or decoding since it can be fussy and he didn't mention what software he's streaming with. figured it best to have the software/CPU capabilities.

 

[ZweiGaming]

this build would be better for less money- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Wh7cD3

I like this one a bit more

 

[mickel116]

i think taking an i5 instead of an i7 will give bigger budget for v.card, and will be more beneficial for gaming performance.

 

[ZweiGaming]

i think taking an i5 instead of an i7 will give bigger budget for v.card, and will be more beneficial for gaming performance.

as nice as a bigger budget sounds, i agree that the extra threads would help for my goal of streaming

 

[hat]

while that may be possible, i never rely on hardware encoding or decoding since it can be fussy and he didn't mention what software he's streaming with. figured it best to have the software/CPU capabilities.

I can't disagree with you there. "Software" (why do we call it software? it's not like it's done entirely in software somehow... it still has to be processed by CPU... which is hardware) encoding thus far has always been superior to "Hardware"/GPU based encoding, in terms of the quality of the result. I wouldn't do any DVDrips with QuickSync, but I would use it for streaming, especially if I had a Haswell iGPU because not only will that lift the burden of encoding off the CPU, but even though the result might not be as much of a polished result as software encoding it'll be good enough to stream with.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

as nice as a bigger budget sounds, i agree that the extra threads would help for my goal of streaming

video cards are easier to upgrade than CPUs. I usually go though 3-4 video card upgrades between CPU upgrades.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Architecture efficiency, complexity, and chip die size matter significantly, making mere GHz comparisons moot.

This is why world speed records that merely state clock speed are so silly. The truly advanced chips are the ones that can perform lots of calculations at a low power level and speed.

 

[Mussels]

I can't disagree with you there. "Software" (why do we call it software? it's not like it's done entirely in software somehow... it still has to be processed by CPU... which is hardware) encoding thus far has always been superior to "Hardware"/GPU based encoding, in terms of the quality of the result. I wouldn't do any DVDrips with QuickSync, but I would use it for streaming, especially if I had a Haswell iGPU because not only will that lift the burden of encoding off the CPU, but even though the result might not be as much of a polished result as software encoding it'll be good enough to stream with.

software accelerated vs hardware accelerated. more or less an abbreviation as to whether or not there is hardware specifically dedicated to that one task. as you just mentioned, downside to hardware is it has to be done within its specs with no variation - look at how H264 has progressed over the years in software decoding and encoding compared to the stagnant hardware side of things.

Barbaric made a great point above too, GPU is easier to upgrade. OP could throw his money at better CPU and ram and re-use his current GPU for a while as well, and wait another gen to upgrade.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Hmm, I'd just wait for the price of the 6700k to go down. I'd expect you'd get a lot better possibilities of expansion down the road due to the faster DMI and PCH PCIe. I'm honestly rather frustrated that I can't run really fast PCIe3 m.2 drives on my Z97-plus. The iGPU is faster, the CPU is slightly faster in multi-threaded, and quite a bit faster in single thread, not to mention the overclocking seems to be somewhat better than the 4790k.

I think quicksync is quite good, I've streamed and recorded off several laptops with it, and the quality isn't too terrible for that purpose and it has almost no performance hit, but yeah, H264 is way better looking and should IMO be used where it can.