Might as well put together another tower.

Pill Monster · Nov 28, 2015

OneMoar said:
avoid AMD Dead socket ...
a 9590 is a stupid idea in anycase overkill hardly a core i5 6600k will walk all over it and use less power while doing it

Oh will you please shut up. Your truly are proving your ignorance more and more with every comment...same as at Guru. Look at some Godamn benchmarks and weep.
Hell there's people out there with Nehalam's gaming....it's more about GPU power these days as long as you have multicore CPU. 0_o

qubit said:
What? When Zen comes out the current parts will be cheaper and Zen should perform significantly better. They'd get cheaper in time anyway and by the sound of it, our OP is going to take a long time get all the parts, making this even more likely.

Even your siggy supports my previous statement.

"You cannot build a computer to be future proof. It's impossible. Just buy the best you can afford at the point in time of planning and buying."

I have an 8320 which performs better now than it did 3 years ago, I'd say that's pretty futureproof.
The reason I bought it while people were laughing was I was sure multithreading was the way of the future....so it's possible to get a long life with a bit of planning.
What advantage will have Zen have over Piledriver? Piledriver performs brilliantly now.
Take a look at Intel from Sandy Bridge up to Haswell there's barely any improvement between 3 generations of CPU's, can't imagine AMD is going to be any different with Zen.

Vayra86 · Nov 28, 2015

Pill Monster said:
Oh will you please shut up. Your truly are proving your ignorance more and more with every comment...same as at Guru. Look at some Godamn benchmarks and weep.
Hell there's people out there with Nehalam's gaming....it's more about GPU power these days as long as you have multicore CPU. 0_o

I have an 8320 which performs better now than it did 3 years ago, I'd say that's pretty futureproof.
The reason I bought it while people were laughing was I was sure multithreading was the way of the future....so it's possible to get a long life with a bit of planning.
What advantage will have Zen have over Piledriver? Piledriver performs brilliantly now.
Take a look at Intel from Sandy Bridge up to Haswell there's barely any improvement between 3 generations of CPU's, can't imagine AMD is going to be any different with Zen.

Try some Starcraft 2 and tell me again how nice that FX is working for you. Or any other CPU heavy single threaded game engine. I also know that the FX has indeed become more useful with the recent game engines utilizing multiple threads nicely, but that doesn't change the low IPC of the CPU itself. The FX performance drops are situational, but they exist, and that make it a less useful CPU especially if you are in the market for buying one today. Is it a bad CPU? No. But definitely not the best choice in any sense of the word. Also the comments on a 9590 are generally spot on, it's a hot headed CPU with a relatively low thermal throttle point, and that in itself is bad design even totally disregarding the performance you get from it.

qubit · Nov 28, 2015

Pill Monster said:
I have an 8320 which performs better now than it did 3 years ago, I'd say that's pretty futureproof.
The reason I bought it while people were laughing was I was sure multithreading was the way of the future....so it's possible to get a long life with a bit of planning.
What advantage will have Zen have over Piledriver? Piledriver performs brilliantly now.
Take a look at Intel from Sandy Bridge up to Haswell there's barely any improvement between 3 generations of CPU's, can't imagine AMD is going to be any different with Zen.

So you reckon the multithreading has helped it? Perhaps in some cases, but it still remains that if you compare it to an Intel CPU of the same generation it will perform better, even with multithreading. And of course, the later Intels will perform even better compared to it. I'm guesstimating that the latest Skylake 6700k will likely be 50-70% better than your CPU. Of course Intel performance has only improved incrementally; it's becuase of the lack of competition from AMD, simple as that, so you can't really use that as an argument.

What advantage will Zen have over Piledriver? Well, no one can give you a definitive answer right now of course, but I don't doubt the performance will be significantly better or AMD are dead in the water. They've given up on that dumb siamesed module design which should hopefully bring them back into the game with Intel. I'll believe it when I see it, though. AMD really need to prove themselves now.

Vayra86 said:
Try some Starcraft 2 and tell me again how nice that FX is working for you. Or any other CPU heavy single threaded game engine. The FX performance drops are situational, but they exist, and that make it a less useful CPU especially if you are in the market for buying one today.

@Pill Monster Unfortunately what Vayra86 says is still true. :ohwell:

dorsetknob · Nov 28, 2015

Pill Monster said:
I have an 8320 which performs better now than it did 3 years ago,

""all i can say to that is 3 years ago you did not set it up right""

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 28, 2015

Ray_Rogers2109 said:
Eh, maybe I'll stick with buying the Blu-rays for awhile (main hobby) then just get the Ultra Tower first and of course the PSU. See how it goes from there. If the Zen motherboards (ASUS preferred) support DDR4 and 64GB RAM instead of the 32GB I was originally aiming for. That and the occasional video game on the cheap from Kinguin and G2A. Really heavily debating on whether or not to add more RAM to my current computer. The ASUS 890GX motherboard I have can currently take 16GB total, but as I stated I don't want to waste anymore money on it.
Just grabbed my Plextor DVD-RW drive from my Ma's house a couple weeks ago and kept putting off installing it. But did so yesterday after I got back to my house from errands.

I guess you never even looked at the two builds I posted. I guess ill just stop now providing help/advice/recommendations, if your going to be one of those people that already have their choice made in there head and wont take the help given. Waste of time for everyone.

cdawall · Nov 29, 2015

Vayra86 said:
Try some Starcraft 2 and tell me again how nice that FX is working for you. Or any other CPU heavy single threaded game engine. I also know that the FX has indeed become more useful with the recent game engines utilizing multiple threads nicely, but that doesn't change the low IPC of the CPU itself. The FX performance drops are situational, but they exist, and that make it a less useful CPU especially if you are in the market for buying one today. Is it a bad CPU? No. But definitely not the best choice in any sense of the word. Also the comments on a 9590 are generally spot on, it's a hot headed CPU with a relatively low thermal throttle point, and that in itself is bad design even totally disregarding the performance you get from it.

"Find a shitty old game and it performs bad"

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 29, 2015

Ray_Rogers2109 said:
Yeah, because I'm not a fan of Intel for my self-built computers. Thanks.

Your ignorance blinds you.

Vayra86 · Nov 30, 2015

cdawall said:
"Find a shitty old game and it performs bad"

Legacy of the Void released just a few weeks ago, so I would say this is pretty recent.

Besides, it's still not the only game *by far* that runs on one core.

cdawall · Nov 30, 2015

Vayra86 said:
Legacy of the Void released just a few weeks ago, so I would say this is pretty recent.

Besides, it's still not the only game *by far* that runs on one core.

I apologize poorly coded games as a whole don't make a CPU bad they make the person who coded it a lazy fuck. Somehow both the ps4 and xbox one run just fine on 6-7 jaguar AMD cores and an amd video card.

Vayra86 · Nov 30, 2015

cdawall said:
I apologize poorly coded games as a whole don't make a CPU bad they make the person who coded it a lazy fuck. Somehow both the ps4 and xbox one run just fine on 6-7 jaguar AMD cores and an amd video card.

If 20 FPS Fallout 4 is fine for you, then I applaud you for this argument. And if 900p30 in 2015 sounds like something that is current gen to you, then yeah. Great choice.

cdawall · Nov 30, 2015

Vayra86 said:
If 20 FPS Fallout 4 is fine for you, then I applaud you for this argument. And if 900p30 in 2015 sounds like something that is current gen to you, then yeah. Great choice.

Plenty of AMD rigs can get better FPS than 20 in FO4. Not my fault you are pulling at straws trying to make a mute point.

Jborg · Nov 30, 2015

Vayra86 said:
If 20 FPS Fallout 4 is fine for you, then I applaud you for this argument. And if 900p30 in 2015 sounds like something that is current gen to you, then yeah. Great choice.

Fallout 4 runs just fine on my 8350 rig with a GTX 760... FPS fluctuates from 40-60.

The main difference between the i5 and 8350 running the game is I get a more steady FPS on the i5...

cdawall · Nov 30, 2015

Jborg said:
Fallout 4 runs just fine on my 8350 rig with a GTX 760... FPS fluctuates from 40-60.

The main difference between the i5 and 8350 running the game is I get a more steady FPS on the i5...

The PS4 is limited by the 7870, not the jaguar based 8 core.

Jborg · Nov 30, 2015

cdawall said:
The PS4 is limited by the 7870, not the jaguar based 8 core.

Just stating that I get better than 20 FPS on Fallout 4 with an AMD CPU

cdawall · Nov 30, 2015

Jborg said:
Just stating that I get better than 20 FPS on Fallout 4 with an AMD CPU

Oh I know lol.

Vayra86 · Nov 30, 2015

cdawall said:
Somehow both the ps4 and xbox one run just fine on 6-7 jaguar AMD cores and an amd video card.

Reading comprehension, you need some of it here. I responded to your quote, not to a general statement about gaming on AMD hardware. Of course that works just fine, until you hit a game that runs on one core and is CPU intensive. Also you are dead wrong on all counts, Starcraft 2 is a very well coded game, I would even go as far as to say it is the best, most well coded RTS on the market and has been since release. Fallout 4 is a different beast, but it still runs at a very inconsistent frame rate on the console and on PC alike (both Intel/AMD systems), and it is very clear that the consoles are not really capable enough when they show dips to 20 fps. Ergo, the consoles are the worst example of how well you can game on AMD hardware and these low numbers won't do well for the perception of gaming on it. You are also wrong in the fact that GPU is limiting the console. This differs per game, and it is still a fact that there are multiple games out today that suffer from the use of low-power Jaguar cores before being bottlenecked by GPU. Evidenced by the news that MS, and now Sony had to enable another core for developers.

Really, AMD is not going to pay you in shares if you defend them like this. Don't do it, you're wasting your time. The problems with FX CPU's, as well as the issues of the current consoles are well known and documented, that reality is not something a thousand posts of yours will ever change.

cdawall · Nov 30, 2015

Vayra86 said:
Reading comprehension, you need some of it here. I responded to your quote, not to a general statement about gaming on AMD hardware. Of course that works just fine, until you hit a game that runs on one core and is CPU intensive. Also you are dead wrong on all counts, Starcraft 2 is a very well coded game, I would even go as far as to say it is the best, most well coded RTS on the market and has been since release. Fallout 4 is a different beast, but it still runs at a very inconsistent frame rate on the console and on PC alike, and it is very clear that the consoles are not really capable enough when they show dips to 20 fps.

Really, AMD is not going to pay you in shares if you defend them like this. Don't do it, you're wasting your time. The problems with FX CPU's are well known and documented, that reality is not something a thousand posts of yours will ever change.

Your reading comprehension also fails. Jaguar is not FX based it is a completely and utterly different micro-architecture. AMD tried something new and it works well in a heavily multithreaded environment in fact 6th generation intel is the first generation to touch it how many years after release? AMD's issue was they assumed the market would shape itself around what they released, in the server market with custom linux setups some of it did, with the console market completely owned by AMD there will slowly be change in the PC market to match this. Me personally? Stop blaming AMD for poor performance in single threaded games and ask the developers why in the year 2015 they are releasing single threaded games.

Vayra86 · Nov 30, 2015

cdawall said:
Your reading comprehension also fails. Jaguar is not FX based it is a completely and utterly different micro-architecture. AMD tried something new and it works well in a heavily multithreaded environment in fact 6th generation intel is the first generation to touch it how many years after release? AMD's issue was they assumed the market would shape itself around what they released, in the server market with custom linux setups some of it did, with the console market completely owned by AMD there will slowly be change in the PC market to match this. Me personally? Stop blaming AMD for poor performance in single threaded games and ask the developers why in the year 2015 they are releasing single threaded games.

LOL. YOU were the one bringing Jaguar into the mix, not me... Scroll up a bit. You can pass the blame to developers but the reality is that there are single threaded games, a LOT of them, and that they suffer performance wise on low IPC CPU's, of which the FX is the prime example.

Let's move on now please.

cdawall · Nov 30, 2015

Vayra86 said:
LOL. YOU were the one bringing Jaguar into the mix, not me... Scroll up a bit. You can pass the blame to developers but the reality is that there are single threaded games, a LOT of them, and that they suffer performance wise on low IPC CPU's, of which the FX is the prime example.

Let's move on now please.

Yep you are right there are so many single threaded games everyone should just stop buying high end hardware. Why do they make anything better than a dual core pentium? I mean it can play all of these poorly coded games. The FX chips will play any current game when equipped with a decent video card to match. The entire argument is a mute point. All it makes me think of is the PC overlords video on youtube.

And I love my AMD shares made me >100% return on investment in 2013. Paid for my 9370 based rig, the down payment on my F150 and an 18ft car hauler with a 2ft dovetail. You will never once hear me complain about AMD and making money. Buy in at 1..83 a share and sell at 4.34, best 6 month turn around I have ever seen.

dorsetknob · Nov 30, 2015

Vayra86 said:
and now Sony had to enable another core for developers.

I think your find Sony Chose to ( and not HAD TO ) released API to Developers to further lengthing the lifespan of the consol and ajust competiveness re other consols

Vayra86 said:
Really, AMD is not going to pay you in shares

Monopoly money and shares get it from Hasbro

MxPhenom 216 · Nov 30, 2015

cdawall said:
Yep you are right there are so many single threaded games everyone should just stop buying high end hardware. Why do they make anything better than a dual core pentium? I mean it can play all of these poorly coded games. The FX chips will play any current game when equipped with a decent video card to match. The entire argument is a mute point. All it makes me think of is the PC overlords video on youtube.

And I love my AMD shares made me >100% return on investment in 2013. Paid for my 9370 based rig, the down payment on my F150 and an 18ft car hauler with a 2ft dovetail. You will never once hear me complain about AMD and making money. Buy in at 1..83 a share and sell at 4.34, best 6 month turn around I have ever seen.

You REALLY must love the underdog.

cdawall · Nov 30, 2015

MxPhenom 216 said:
You REALLY must love the underdog.

I like being different. That's why nothing in my rig really matches the status quo. I also base everything off of what I am doing. I have yet to have a game that wont run on my rig well even with crossfire bugs and an old ass motherboard. Hell look at my SSD choices, notice not a damn samsung in sight.

MxPhenom 216 · Dec 7, 2015

Ray_Rogers2109 said:
This thread has been derailed multiple times already.
Anyone who keeps suggesting I go with Intel should then donate some money to a random GoFundMe which I'd never make. Personally for a self-built computer, I haven't any need or desire to go for one. Since the AMD Zen will be released in 2016 most likely and currently an expensive pipe-dream as most new CPUs are, why not a GoFundMe for that too? Figure the AM3+ FX CPU I'm considering purchasing pricepoint has already gone quite low, might as well go for it. Brand new, just released, hardware is always expensive and for myself, I'd rather wait for the prices to lower more before getting it.
So, until the Zen is actually released, I'm not changing anything for the parts. This wasn't a "Help me build another PC." thread but more of a "Will this damn thing work for all the random various multitude of things I want it to?" one. The major thing I'm glad about no one has mentioned getting rid of the optical drives. Yes I still use discs, still own discs, and still prefer discs.
Mods, please lock this thread. This sub-forum was far more helpful when I made my first thread on here 5 years ago.

A gofundme when the Intel config I posted was cheaper than the AMD. Logic = flawed.

cdawall · Dec 7, 2015

The Intel rigs are cheaper don't be ignorant.

Resident amd guy. Ask @MxPhenom 216 there are not many people who rival me on amd.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Dec 7, 2015

The more I see this thread pop up, the more I laugh at the OP for being dumb and ignorant. Sorry, but at this point, it's just the plain truth. Youre too blind to see the real difference. People are giving you 100% facts and you just dismiss it because yorue such a hardcore AMD fanboy for no reason at all. Stop living in the past and get over it. Im sure youre too old to be a fanboy.

Can we please get a downvote post/thread option? This thread could be the poster boy for the feature.

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Might as well put together another tower.

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