Cooling for a FX8350 Black Edition.

[Nefas]

I've been experiencing auto shutoffs most probably due to overheating since they mostly occur during gaming sessions where the temperatures reach approximately 80C according to All CPU Meter. This is without overclocking any parts. Right now, I'm only using the stock cooler for my processor and 2 additional stock casing fans as well. My casing is a K350 mid tower that supports 4 120mm fans. Currently, I'm interested in swapping out the cooler to a Cryorig H7 and putting 2 new fans on it, removing the QF120 stock fan of the H7. Additionally, I'd like to setup a couple more casing fans just in case. Hence, several questions.
1. Will the H7 be sufficient to cool down my CPU compared to the stock cooler ?
2. Which fans should I get ? I have Blade Master 120, SickleFlow 120 2000RPM and the XtraFlo in consideration. ( It's not that I'm unwilling to switch to other brands or model but these are the more accessible parts for me. Will still take any suggestions though. )
3. Which fans should be setup on the H7 for a push/pull and which should be case fans ? While I'm familiar with the more CFM, the better, I am worried whether different fans all with different RPM and CFM will cause airflow obstructions.

TL;DR : A K350 case with cooler Cryorig H7 push/pull formation. 2 new fans on the front and rear of the PC casing, the original QF 120 on the side (not sure if that's compatible ?) Otherwise, the 2 stocks fans are relegated to side and bottom positions. Basically a tornado jet engine of a desktop. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Jborg]

I've been experiencing auto shutoffs most probably due to overheating since they mostly occur during gaming sessions where the temperatures reach approximately 80C according to All CPU Meter. This is without overclocking any parts. Right now, I'm only using the stock cooler for my processor and 2 additional stock casing fans as well. My casing is a K350 mid tower that supports 4 120mm fans. Currently, I'm interested in swapping out the cooler to a Cryorig H7 and putting 2 new fans on it, removing the QF120 stock fan of the H7. Additionally, I'd like to setup a couple more casing fans just in case. Hence, several questions.
1. Will the H7 be sufficient to cool down my CPU compared to the stock cooler ?
2. Which fans should I get ? I have Blade Master 120, SickleFlow 120 2000RPM and the XtraFlo in consideration. ( It's not that I'm unwilling to switch to other brands or model but these are the more accessible parts for me. Will still take any suggestions though. )
3. Which fans should be setup on the H7 for a push/pull and which should be case fans ? While I'm familiar with the more CFM, the better, I am worried whether different fans all with different RPM and CFM will cause airflow obstructions.

TL;DR : A K350 case with cooler Cryorig H7 push/pull formation. 2 new fans on the front and rear of the PC casing, the original QF 120 on the side (not sure if that's compatible ?) Otherwise, the 2 stocks fans are relegated to side and bottom positions. Basically a tornado jet engine of a desktop. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Please fill out your full system specs so we can help you further.

I suspect an issue with the Motherboard VRM.... always the first thing to look at with FX processors. Are you using a 970 board, or 990FX?

80c is wayyyy high for an FX processor. Max safe temps are 62 celcius for AMD.

I think any non-stock cooler should work well. I am able to overclock my FX 8350 to 4.5GHZ on a Hyper 212 EVO, max temps while gaming are around 52c.

 

[Nefas]

Board : M5A99X Evo R2.0
GPU : R9 270

I'll get the rest and more details as soon as possible.

 

[Jborg]

The board should work well with the FX 8350. It has a 6+2 power phase design.

Honestly any aftermarket CPU cooler is better than the stock one. I would personally go with the Hyper 212 EVO because I am not a huge stickler on looks, I just look for the best price / performance.

The good thing is you don't have a 1+4 power phase board with 970chipset.

Just confirm that the cooler you want fits in your case dimension wise.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

You'll probably want something better than the H7. If you did get the H7, or any Cryorig cooler no reason to change out the fans, they are good fans and quiet.

An H5, would be better. 140mm fan so likely going to be quieter, and has 4 heat pipes rather than 3.

 

[peche]

filling specs should be a must before posting, always is the same question with new people, well….

are you using something to check o monitoring your system? to see if there is a exact point were the PC turns off? is there any throttle advise or check ? does the computer becomes slow before shut down ? or justs gets off?

also tell us more about PSU,

Please fill your specs here: system specs , is gonna be easy to help you if you help us to help you more…

 

[EarthDog]

The board should work well with the FX 8350. It has a 6+2 power phase design.

It will do for stock speeds, not heavy overclocking though...

 

[rhino]

Any after-market cpu-cooler with 4/8 copper heat pipes will do the same job so get the cheapest one and just slap another fan on the other side pull but replacing the original fan that comes with it is senseless in terms of performance.
I had one of these Hyper 212 things for a few years but it didn't do anything any similar cooler couldn't do. They all function the same as long as you have a 4/8 copper heat pipe arrangement running through it.
So why not go a step further and stick a water cooler on it. I got mine half-price on ebay.
You will need to ensure that you have max air-flow through your case if you do it so make sure you stick as many fans on your case as possible.
I even cut a hole in the door of mine to make way for another 120mm.

 

[EarthDog]

Any after-market cpu-cooler with 4/8 copper heat pipes will do the same job so get the cheapest one and just slap another fan on the other side pull but replacing the original fan that comes with it is senseless in terms of performance.
I had one of these Hyper 212 things for a few years but it didn't do anything any similar cooler couldn't do. They all function the same as long as you have a 4/8 copper heat pipe arrangement running through it.

Wow. No. Check out some reviews my friend. Performance varies dramatically between coolers.

Depending on the fan, replacing it can make a difference of a couple of C as well. Now, I don't replace the fans in most cases, but to say it is senseless, is misinformed I am afraid.

 

[Toothless]

Buddy of mine has the same CPU but with a Hyper 212 EVO, and has no issues at all. I gotta check which board he has.

 

[hat]

That shouldn't be happening. I could understand if you had some no-airflow case inside a box in the closet, but it shouldn't be overheating like that in your case.

Has this been an issue for a while, or just recently? Did you just build the system? Maybe it's just really dusty, or maybe the application of the cooler was bad (not seated evenly or something). Perhaps you've made the mistake of installing the cooler with the little plastic thing still on the base of the heatsink...

Barring all of that, perhaps something fishy is going on where it may be getting auto overclocked, or the voltage is set too high or something. After you check all of the above, check the BIOS. Check what voltage the chip is running at when under load (watch CPU-Z while you run Prime95 or something).

I'm not trying to thwart the suggestion of a new cooler here, a nice aftermarket cooler would be a nice compliment to your chip... but I suspect something fishy is going on right now. The stock cooler isn't great but it should be adequate to do the job, especially at stock in a case like the K350. Buying a new cooler may be nothing more than a solution to a symptom of an underlying problem!

 

[rhino]

Now, I don't replace the fans in most cases, but to say it is senseless, is misinformed I am afraid.

He's talking about adding an extra fan to after-market cooler and changing out the fan that comes with it. No point, what so ever. The extra one delivers as much as is necessary. I've done it myself. That's my experience not my imagination.

 

[hat]

Agreed, swapping fans rarely makes a difference. If I were building a new system I'd probably just use whatever fans came with the case, and if there were none, I'd just buy whatever was cheap and didn't sound like a tornado. I'd only swap fans if one was really loud, not to get a 1c temp drop.

 

[Jborg]

He's talking about adding an extra fan to after-market cooler and changing out the fan that comes with it. No point, what so ever. The extra one delivers as much as is necessary. I've done it myself. That's my experience not my imagination.

Not sure I fully understand what your saying. But the difference in fans does make a difference. I am using 2 JetFlo fans on my 212 EVO and its noticeably cooler compared to the single and 2 Corsair AF120 fans I had on it. It can be up to 3-6 degrees.

I agree with Earthdog.

 

[rhino]

I agree with Earthdog.

So Nefas, do whatever you want, different people have different experiences.
You still need to max the airflow otherwise you're just blowing hot air around inside the case.

 

[Jborg]

So Nefas, do whatever you want, different people have different experiences.
You still need to max the airflow otherwise your just blowing hot air around inside the case.

Especially since its an 8350 these things just run hot. The more airflow in the case the better. I had 9 fans in my case running my 8350.

Something does seem wrong though, the stock cooler shouldn't perform that bad. I would check the paste, make sure the cooler is latched in and pressed on the cpu, all that good stuff.

 

[EarthDog]

He's talking about adding an extra fan to after-market cooler and changing out the fan that comes with it. No point, what so ever. The extra one delivers as much as is necessary. I've done it myself. That's my experience not my imagination.

I get what he is saying. It depends on the fan and cooler. But in many cases, with a better fan (read: more airflow and SP), results do improve. That's just science.

Is it worth it? Well clearly that depends on many factors, including the cooler itself, what fan is on it, and what fan(s) will be replacing it.

 

[rhino]

But in many cases, with a better fan

Yes, there is a lot of noise about putting on better fans, usually case fans like Arctic F12s or "be quiet" Shadow/silent wings which will definitely make a difference, I think we've made our positions clear on changing cooler fans.
The stock cooler for the AMD FX range was a real strange one, it was totally inappropriate for the job and rather loud.

 

[hat]

That looks pretty similar to a stock cooler I saw for the 6000+ back in the day... Intel regurgitates the same basic design too.

 

[peche]

I have purchased several hyper 212 EVO and aditional jetflo o sickleflo fan for cooling FX 8000 and 9000 series that aren't being overclocked, all of them still on use and working flawless, customers that wanted a build with these processor and have claimed to OC them I have supplied corsair h60, 70 and 80 units, also thermaltake units like water AIO kits and Frio units [air coolers] always using Arctic MX4 thermal paste and Coolermaster Icefusion one is also a great option, I do love that compound!

 

[Nefas]

I apologize. The system specs are now more or less filled out. This computer was built in May 2014 by a friend for me so I have minimal knowledge in these areas. I'd like to stress that I do not have any problems such as BSODs other than these shutdowns.

@Jborg, unfortunately, the Hyper 212 Evo does not fit in my case.
@MxPhenom 216, neither does the H5.
@peche, I only use AllCPUMeter with its gadget to check on it occasionally. I do not know how to identify the exact point though. According to the Windows Event Log, I have 40+ unexpected shutdowns since the computer was built. My point is that, I have no reason to believe that the cause is anything other than overheating since to the best of my memory, it has only happened during gaming sesssions where high loads are achieved. By throttle advise or check, I assume you mean warnings before shutdowns ? In that case, nope. And no, it does not slow down as far as I can tell. The entire CPU would just turn itself off immediately. The monitor is left unaffected.
@rhino, I did consider water cooling, but since I travel regularly with my desktop, I dont think it's worth the risk. I know, one should probably take out the cooler or drain the water before transporting it but suffice to say that I have no confidence in my ability to do so.

Here's an airflow diagram of the case. http://assets.coolermaster.com/global/upload/product_feature/K350-ph2.jpg
Is it correct to say that rear fans should be stronger than those at the front ? Simply because, even if you can push more air in to the case, you'd only have hot air circulating if you cant pull it out ? This is why I was thinking of swapping out the fans on the H7, to mitigate this possible problem.

 

[Bones]

I know you probrably don't want to consider it BUT you may be forced to run a watercooling setup if you cannot get temps under control.
If it's simply a cost vs results concern watercooling is actually a good choice. If it's the fear of watercooling in your system case I understand but do know so many have had success it's largely a minor concern.... Except when it does pop a leak. However units made for it are reliable such as the one here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181090

I only say this because these 8 cored chips run hot as stated above and unless you're running a large case with plenty of airflow chances are the problem won't just "Go Away" even after you've added all of your fans. An all copper cooler helps of course, more expensive but worth it in terms of capability to cool.
If your case size won't let you run one of the larger coolers proven to work you may have to go with watercooling.

Just sayin.

 

[Nelson Ng]

The board should work well with the FX 8350. It has a 6+2 power phase design.

Honestly any aftermarket CPU cooler is better than the stock one. I would personally go with the Hyper 212 EVO because I am not a huge stickler on looks, I just look for the best price / performance.

The good thing is you don't have a 1+4 power phase board with 970chipset.

Just confirm that the cooler you want fits in your case dimension wise.

I agree, cause I dumped my FX8350 stock cooler once my Phanteks PH-TC14S arrives. I don't overclock it cause this will only increase the heat and power consumption. My temp remains in the range of 30-40°C at idle and not more than 60°C when running Prime95.

 

[cdawall]

The OEM cooler should not have any issues with OEM settings. Something else is wrong if the CPU is hitting 80C

 

[Nelson Ng]

Something does seem wrong though, the stock cooler shouldn't perform that bad. I would check the paste, make sure the cooler is latched in and pressed on the cpu, all that good stuff.

The OEM cooler should not have any issues with OEM settings. Something else is wrong if the CPU is hitting 80C

Have you notice they didn't even solder the fins to the heat pipes? Just use your fingers to play with the fins and they'll move about. How do they expect the fins to conduct the heat from the heat pipes even it's not even in proper contact with it?