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you can buy windows 10 pro key for 20 dollars here- also buy key protection if the key is bad, they refund or give you a new keys.
http://www.kinguin.net/category/19429/windows-10-professional-oem-key/

Also, I would get gtx 960, it only 20 dollars more. If you want more horse power, buy the gtx 970 or r390 - since you save 100 dollars on the windows key
 
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For a lower-mid range system this surely isn't bad.

It may be worth trying to increase the CPU to either an i3 with HT, or if you want those cores for recording, try to cram an X6 instead of an X4 in there. The extra cores will be very helpful especially on BF4 if you want to record+play.

That being said, for pure FPS (and performance/dollar with regards to just FPS) the Intel route will always be better. Consider how important recording+gaming is for you and base your choice on that, I'd say.

Nvidia will very soon release a replacement card for the 750ti. So that's something to consider as well. 750ti will take you to about medium settings @ 1080p for BF4. I would also look at similar priced AMD offerings (we live in different region so for prices, I can't help too well) as they are very strong at mid-range offerings. The only real reason to take Nvidia over AMD is Shadowplay, *maybe*. AMD offers more grunt, generally speaking.

@azngreentea01 And that doesn't scream 'shady' to you? I would stay far away from those keys.
 
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@Vayra86 - It legit website- this website sell steam key, the windows 10 key is third party seller. once the key is register it should be good. Also, there a protection fee which is only 1 dollar, if they key is bad they refund it.

 
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Hello, i believe you should invest into a better power supply and go for 950/960 , if budget allows it jump to i3 which will make a big improvement
 
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@Vayra86 - It legit website- this website sell steam key, the windows 10 key is third party seller. once the key is register it should be good. Also, there a protection fee which is only 1 dollar, if they key is bad they refund it.


Define 'legit'. There is no known origin of these keys, and they are offered by sellers on the Kinguin marketplace which means: random people. Kinguin may replace your key, but there is no telling what MS will do with your registered motherboard, which I doubt strongly Kinguin will replace :)

You know what they say about 'too good to be true', right?
 
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Define 'legit'. There is no known origin of these keys, and they are offered by sellers on the Kinguin marketplace which means: random people. Kinguin may replace your key, but there is no telling what MS will do with your registered motherboard, which I doubt strongly Kinguin will replace :)

You know what they say about 'too good to be true', right?

what will they do ? And why should they have that power ? thats why i reinstalled windows 8.1
 
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What will they do ? And why should they have that power ? thats why i reinstalled windows 8.1

If you buy OEM keys you are actually already breaking the terms of use of that license buddy :)

It was not too long ago Ubisoft recalled a huge amount of registered game licenses due to them being acquired with faulty credit card details and resold across these very same keysites. Do what you want, but you have been warned.

For games, the situation is a little different. Not being able to play a game =/= being able to use the entire PC.
 
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Once it register your motherboard it should be your in the end, but who know what MS would do as you said. But back to the main topic, it should help save him/her 100 dollars which can put in other hardware.
 
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Need better PSU and GPU if u are limited budget..

Something like 500w bronze/gold and 950/960/380
 
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If you buy OEM keys you are actually already breaking the terms of use of that license buddy :)

It was not too long ago Ubisoft recalled a huge amount of registered game licenses due to them being acquired with faulty credit card details and resold across these very same keysites. Do what you want, but you have been warned.

For games, the situation is a little different. Not being able to play a game =/= being able to use the entire PC.
I'm not sure the not being able to use the entire PC stands. They won't break your pc even if you can't install windows 10 which in some point (microsoft leading there) will be necessary there is linux ^_^
 
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I'm not sure the not being able to use the entire PC stands. They won't break your pc even if you can't install windows 10 which in some point (microsoft leading there) will be necessary there is linux ^_^

No, but they could blacklist your motherboard from standard windows 10 upgrade licenses (which bind to hardware). You'd then need to either purchase a full retail ($200) license from Microsoft, or run Linux.

Insurance is useless. Most of these keys will work for 1-3 months, just outside the insurance period.
 
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If you are thinking of game recording i doubt that will do, my test system is slightly above that and it struggles with stuff like that. Def upgrade to i3
 
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I am looking into pc gaming. I am a big console gamer right now but would like to move up to pc.http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/fgwnZL thats the pc and i would like to record videos edit videos and play cs:go and maybe bf4.
Well its a start but I would recommend getting a slight bit more money for the budget because otherwise that's going to be a bit disappointed. For recording games especially like BF4, you need some higher hardware. My suggestion would be to save at least $1000 for the budget and go from there as we can make a lot of upgrades that will make the experience much more stable.
 
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I feel I should chime in about key selling sites, then after the fact I'd appreciate it if people stuck with the OP's PC build and save the grey market talk for another topic.

Is G2A, G2Play, Kinguin, CJS CD Keys et al illegal? The answer is no. Why? Because they're a marketplace. For the most part (CJS excluded, they buy keys and sell them themselves), they do not buy and sell keys. They're merely a vessel for transactions to be made between the seller and buyer, similar to eBay. They take a cut of the sale, and offer their own "insurance" in case a transaction goes bad. This is mainly because they have to, but also because they don't see the full sale profit, so they charge a few pence in order to cover their expenses for refunds in the event the seller doesn't pay up for a refund.

How are the keys obtained and sold so cheaply? This is where legality and illegality crossover into a "grey" area. For OEM keys, the seller is violating the terms of service. For the buyer, they're not technically doing anything wrong - you could easily claim "ignorance" when pressed by the software manufacturer. The owness is on the seller, but as a buyer you should be street smart; only buy "retail".

For CD keys it comes to a few different options:

The first and most rare occasion is a rogue key generator. Software companies who don't run their own key generation outsource to third parties. These third parties receive generation requests from software developers, and are told to generate a specific amount of keys and send the database to whomever - this may be Steam, it might be GreenManGaming, it might be me (a review key). Assuming the people in "The Circle of Life of Keys" do their jobs properly, the database of keys is managed cleanly, keys are marked off with an owner, a transaction and all other official information, and this is how companies like Ubisoft can tell a legitimate key from an unauthorised sale (that's how Far Cry 3 owners got their keys revoked, the database of keys didn't match up with official transactions from trusted members of "The Circle of Life of Keys"). Sometimes somebody gets a hold of this company's key generator (could be an employee), runs off a batch of keys, and tosses them out into the wild for personal financial gain, obviously selling them at a significantly lower price. Sometimes this is discovered, and in Ubisoft's case, either the keys are revoked or left as a loss. Sometimes nobody ever finds out.

The second is an even rarer occasion, and involves unauthorised distribution of promotional keys. This could be a YouTuber, a Twitcher, or a website that gets sent a batch of a few thousand keys for a promotional offer/competition/review. Sometimes the person that gets sent these promotional keys will sell some or all of them off to a CD key website for money, instead of distributing them to winners of a competition. If I got sent 10,000 keys for X game and only sent out 9,000 and sold the other 1,000 to G2A, who exactly is going to know? Nobody checks, because in some instances, that person isn't held accountable by anyone. We've heard of instances of reviewers being sent review keys and just selling them because they either aren't interested, or they pirate the game and sell the legit copy. It's scum tactics, but believe me, it happens more often than you think. I sometimes don't get review keys for AAA games. That means I miss out on masses of traffic during that release week, because everyone else is reviewing a soon-to-be popular game and I'm not. I choose to review smaller titles legitimately, other more unscrupulous media outlets choose to pirate the game and bang out a review during the same period all the authorised reviewers in order to "cash in" on the spike in potential traffic.

The third is the most common, which is playing the conversion rate on currency. Most "grey" keys are bought legitimately, usually in a country where the currency is absolutely insane. That means a guy in the US can buy Rainbow Six: Siege for $50, however, another guy on the island of Potatoland can buy the same Rainbow Six: Siege game for 5000 potatian dollars. Unfortunately this Potatian's currency is screwed, so the converted cost of 5,000 potatian dollars is around $25. That's cool, Potatoland can buy the game cheaper. Mr Potatian then decides to profit from this, so he creates a piece of software that acts as a Bot on G2A. He decides to sell his Rainbow Six: Siege keys for $28, $2 profit for himself, and $1 for G2A fees. He can't very well buy 5,000 keys all at once, nor can he sit around all day buying the same game over and over whenever he gets a purchase request from a buyer. So he decides to write a program. This program has a Steam account/Online marketplace account for PotatoManGaming, and whenever he gets an order for Rainbow Six: Siege, the program buys the game, then either adds it to his Steam Gifts and automatically emails out the Steam Gift link, or it orders the game from an online outlet and emails the key to the buyer.

Then the really dubious things happen. G2A doesn't add VAT on automatically. After all, it doesn't know if buyers are in the EU or not. So G2A sells everything at ExVAT prices, and then asks the buyer to tick a box that says they're not in the EU and don't pay 20% VAT. Three things happen here:

1: You tick the box blindly. You don't care what it says, you have to tick it so you do and proceed with your transaction - you just accidentally broke the law by committing tax fraid
2: You see the box, know what it says, don't want to pay tax, so you tick it anyway - you just purposefully broke the law by committing tax fraud
3: You select your country and agree to pay 20% VAT - you just bought a potentially illegally obtained key without committing tax fraud, congratz! (It might not have been illegally obtained though!)

The fourth option is wholly illegal, and usually ends badly for everyone - Keys bought with stolen credit cards/PayPal/Bank accounts. This used to be the most common, but not so much any more. Thieves/hackers would steal personal information from random people, buy hundreds of games through legitimate sources with a stolen payment method, and then sell them back on marketplaces like Kinguin/G2A/G2Play. The thief makes way more profit assuming they aren't caught, transfers the funds they made to a different anonymous account, and goes merrily on their way. The bank/PayPal are then told by a customer that their card/account was hacked. PayPal/the bank then kill the account, the card, and any transactions. Because the transactions have been killed, the key is then revoked because the payment is no longer valid - the buyer of said key then has their game/software deactivated. They then have to go to G2A/Kinguin and ask for a refund due to a revoked key - this is where "G2A Shield" comes into play. If you paid for Shield, you get your refund after a long, arduous and immensely frustrating process (it's made this way on purpose because G2A are going to be out of pocket on this transaction, they got screwed, and they really don't want to give you money they don't have any more). You should eventually get a refund though. In the event you didn't insure your transaction - you're screwed and G2Play/Kinguin don't give a damn. Shoulda paid that 0.79c charge.

That's pretty much the tall and the short of it.

Disclaimer: I bought two Windows 8.1 Pro keys (retail, duh) from G2A over two years ago. I paid for Shield, and I did not commit tax fraud. Both are still currently legitimately activated.
 
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Is $175 not a tad too much for a GTX 750? Some GTX 950s go for that price nowadays.
 
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Cs go no problem, bf 4 with the settings turned down to medium/high when recording should be possible.
 

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My god that guy is daft. "Stick with USB 2 for compatibility sake." Uh, yeah, dude, USB 3.0 is fully backwards compatible with USB 2.0. USB 3.1 too less the Type-C connector. I lost interest in that video after hearing that gem of stupidity.


Stay away from Kinguin, especially for operating systems, period. The operating system forms the foundation of any given system's security. You don't want to chance that, ever.

Considering you're using the operating system from the moment you turn it on to the moment you turn it off, it is well worth the $100 asking price for a system builder license. That money goes towards security and feature updates which are vital to keeping the operating system relevent going forward.


How are the keys obtained and sold so cheaply? This is where legality and illegality crossover into a "grey" area. For OEM keys, the seller is violating the terms of service. For the buyer, they're not technically doing anything wrong - you could easily claim "ignorance" when pressed by the software manufacturer. The owness is on the seller, but as a buyer you should be street smart; only buy "retail".
Actually, they all violate the TOS. Keys are not transferrable after the first sale (certified reseller/manufacturer -> consumer). It's not "gray," it's very black and white. Even retail keys are under the same requirement so the distinction is hardly relevent.



On topic: You're getting two mice: optical that comes with the keyboard and laser purchased separately. Personally, I'd take a hard look at that optical mouse to determine if it will work for you. If yes, just buy an optical mouse pad for ~$10 and call it a day. I'm still using an optical mouse and I have no regrets. If it isn't adequate, I'd recommend finding a cheaper keyboard that doesn't come with a mouse and cutting back on the mouse. My $20 Kensington performs every bit as well as the $60 Logitech it replaced.

Memory: I recommend 1 x 8 GiB instead of 2 x 4 GiB. I wouldn't build a system today that is going to max out at 16 GiB. That's quickly becoming the standard for games so there's no wiggle room for upgrading without removing the sticks you previously puchased. It's better to take a small performance hit today then have to spend twice as much for a memory upgrade tomorrow.

CPU: AMD...is...a crying shame right now. I wish it weren't so but it is. That "quad-core" is more like a glorified dual-core with floating point operations capability split across two cores. In games, the entire world is a mess of floating point operations. I'd see what you can afford from Intel. Remember, that's going to require a different motherboard as well.

HDD: Caviar Blue is Caviar Black's stupid cousin. Need I say more?

Case + PSU: I know it's tempting to save money by buying a PSU & case combo but I wouldn't recommend it. 400w leaves no wiggle room for upgrade. The case likely doesn't either.
 
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I feel I should chime in about key selling sites, then after the fact I'd appreciate it if people stuck with the OP's PC build and save the grey market talk for another topic.

Is G2A, G2Play, Kinguin, CJS CD Keys et al illegal? The answer is no. Why? Because they're a marketplace. For the most part (CJS excluded, they buy keys and sell them themselves), they do not buy and sell keys. They're merely a vessel for transactions to be made between the seller and buyer, similar to eBay. They take a cut of the sale, and offer their own "insurance" in case a transaction goes bad. This is mainly because they have to, but also because they don't see the full sale profit, so they charge a few pence in order to cover their expenses for refunds in the event the seller doesn't pay up for a refund.

How are the keys obtained and sold so cheaply? This is where legality and illegality crossover into a "grey" area. For OEM keys, the seller is violating the terms of service. For the buyer, they're not technically doing anything wrong - you could easily claim "ignorance" when pressed by the software manufacturer. The owness is on the seller, but as a buyer you should be street smart; only buy "retail".

For CD keys it comes to a few different options:

The first and most rare occasion is a rogue key generator. Software companies who don't run their own key generation outsource to third parties. These third parties receive generation requests from software developers, and are told to generate a specific amount of keys and send the database to whomever - this may be Steam, it might be GreenManGaming, it might be me (a review key). Assuming the people in "The Circle of Life of Keys" do their jobs properly, the database of keys is managed cleanly, keys are marked off with an owner, a transaction and all other official information, and this is how companies like Ubisoft can tell a legitimate key from an unauthorised sale (that's how Far Cry 3 owners got their keys revoked, the database of keys didn't match up with official transactions from trusted members of "The Circle of Life of Keys"). Sometimes somebody gets a hold of this company's key generator (could be an employee), runs off a batch of keys, and tosses them out into the wild for personal financial gain, obviously selling them at a significantly lower price. Sometimes this is discovered, and in Ubisoft's case, either the keys are revoked or left as a loss. Sometimes nobody ever finds out.

The second is an even rarer occasion, and involves unauthorised distribution of promotional keys. This could be a YouTuber, a Twitcher, or a website that gets sent a batch of a few thousand keys for a promotional offer/competition/review. Sometimes the person that gets sent these promotional keys will sell some or all of them off to a CD key website for money, instead of distributing them to winners of a competition. If I got sent 10,000 keys for X game and only sent out 9,000 and sold the other 1,000 to G2A, who exactly is going to know? Nobody checks, because in some instances, that person isn't held accountable by anyone. We've heard of instances of reviewers being sent review keys and just selling them because they either aren't interested, or they pirate the game and sell the legit copy. It's scum tactics, but believe me, it happens more often than you think. I sometimes don't get review keys for AAA games. That means I miss out on masses of traffic during that release week, because everyone else is reviewing a soon-to-be popular game and I'm not. I choose to review smaller titles legitimately, other more unscrupulous media outlets choose to pirate the game and bang out a review during the same period all the authorised reviewers in order to "cash in" on the spike in potential traffic.

The third is the most common, which is playing the conversion rate on currency. Most "grey" keys are bought legitimately, usually in a country where the currency is absolutely insane. That means a guy in the US can buy Rainbow Six: Siege for $50, however, another guy on the island of Potatoland can buy the same Rainbow Six: Siege game for 5000 potatian dollars. Unfortunately this Potatian's currency is screwed, so the converted cost of 5,000 potatian dollars is around $25. That's cool, Potatoland can buy the game cheaper. Mr Potatian then decides to profit from this, so he creates a piece of software that acts as a Bot on G2A. He decides to sell his Rainbow Six: Siege keys for $28, $2 profit for himself, and $1 for G2A fees. He can't very well buy 5,000 keys all at once, nor can he sit around all day buying the same game over and over whenever he gets a purchase request from a buyer. So he decides to write a program. This program has a Steam account/Online marketplace account for PotatoManGaming, and whenever he gets an order for Rainbow Six: Siege, the program buys the game, then either adds it to his Steam Gifts and automatically emails out the Steam Gift link, or it orders the game from an online outlet and emails the key to the buyer.

Then the really dubious things happen. G2A doesn't add VAT on automatically. After all, it doesn't know if buyers are in the EU or not. So G2A sells everything at ExVAT prices, and then asks the buyer to tick a box that says they're not in the EU and don't pay 20% VAT. Three things happen here:

1: You tick the box blindly. You don't care what it says, you have to tick it so you do and proceed with your transaction - you just accidentally broke the law by committing tax fraid
2: You see the box, know what it says, don't want to pay tax, so you tick it anyway - you just purposefully broke the law by committing tax fraud
3: You select your country and agree to pay 20% VAT - you just bought a potentially illegally obtained key without committing tax fraud, congratz! (It might not have been illegally obtained though!)

The fourth option is wholly illegal, and usually ends badly for everyone - Keys bought with stolen credit cards/PayPal/Bank accounts. This used to be the most common, but not so much any more. Thieves/hackers would steal personal information from random people, buy hundreds of games through legitimate sources with a stolen payment method, and then sell them back on marketplaces like Kinguin/G2A/G2Play. The thief makes way more profit assuming they aren't caught, transfers the funds they made to a different anonymous account, and goes merrily on their way. The bank/PayPal are then told by a customer that their card/account was hacked. PayPal/the bank then kill the account, the card, and any transactions. Because the transactions have been killed, the key is then revoked because the payment is no longer valid - the buyer of said key then has their game/software deactivated. They then have to go to G2A/Kinguin and ask for a refund due to a revoked key - this is where "G2A Shield" comes into play. If you paid for Shield, you get your refund after a long, arduous and immensely frustrating process (it's made this way on purpose because G2A are going to be out of pocket on this transaction, they got screwed, and they really don't want to give you money they don't have any more). You should eventually get a refund though. In the event you didn't insure your transaction - you're screwed and G2Play/Kinguin don't give a damn. Shoulda paid that 0.79c charge.

That's pretty much the tall and the short of it.

Disclaimer: I bought two Windows 8.1 Pro keys (retail, duh) from G2A over two years ago. I paid for Shield, and I did not commit tax fraud. Both are still currently legitimately activated.

Wow, looks like a @lilhasselhoffer post ;) great info though, read it all! :respect:

My god that guy is daft.

But that's Paul from NeweggTV :p
 

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But that's Paul from NeweggTV :p
Doesn't change the facts. :p I put Windows 10 ISO on my 128 GB USB 3.0 SSD stick and installed it across many Windows 7, 8.1, and 10 systems using USB 2.0 and 3.0 ports (pending on availablity). No problems (except that USB 2.0 is painfully slow).
 
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My god that guy is daft. "Stick with USB 2 for compatibility sake." Uh, yeah, dude, USB 3.0 is fully backwards compatible with USB 2.0.

I just want to point out that I've encountered several systems with compatibility issues, like USB 3.0 sticks not working in 2.0 ports and USB 2.0 sticks not working in 3.0 ports. Some sticks just don't play nice with some controllers, but I suspect it's mostly the ultra cheap sticks (though sometimes I've seen the behaviour with reputable sticks as well).
 
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I just want to point out that I've encountered several systems with compatibility issues, like USB 3.0 sticks not working in 2.0 ports and USB 2.0 sticks not working in 3.0 ports. Some sticks just don't play nice with some controllers, but I suspect it's mostly the ultra cheap sticks (though sometimes I've seen the behaviour with reputable sticks as well).

Same. I keep 4 USB OS sticks. 2 for Win 7 on USB 2 & 3 and Win 10 on USB 2 & 3. They are dirt cheap anyway.
 
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I just want to point out that I've encountered several systems with compatibility issues, like USB 3.0 sticks not working in 2.0 ports and USB 2.0 sticks not working in 3.0 ports. Some sticks just don't play nice with some controllers, but I suspect it's mostly the ultra cheap sticks (though sometimes I've seen the behaviour with reputable sticks as well).

This, combined with missing chipset / 3.0 drivers can really create an issue on some configs with a USB 3.0 stick.
 
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