Intel build. Need Some Ideas.

[Lazermonkey]

Hey folks,

Currently running the system in my specs.

Looking to maybe upgrade to an Intel based system.

Just wondering what the thoughts are with this setup here.

https://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Submit=view


Or, should I keep my FX-8370 and MSI 990-FXA MB for now?

Maybe go with the 4790k setup instead?

 

[Toothless]

Are you happy with your 8370? Does it do what you need it to do? If you're going to upgrade then you'd at least want a good 4790k to overclock or hit the deck and go with a 6700k bump.

Honestly Zen from AMD should be coming out this year so holding off would be best.

 

[Lazermonkey]

Are you happy with your 8370? Does it do what you need it to do? If you're going to upgrade then you'd at least want a good 4790k to overclock or hit the deck and go with a 6700k bump.

Honestly Zen from AMD should be coming out this year so holding off would be best.

Yes, the 8370 loafs along @ 4.3ghz and does everything I want it to do. I just get people telling me I am sacrificing a lot of power by not running Intel.

I can hold off for a while. But, I could order the new parts at any time as well.

Seems like I am looking for a reason to switch to Intel when my AMD seems to run just fine lol.

 

[Toothless]

Yes, the 8370 loafs along @ 4.3ghz and does everything I want it to do. I just get people telling me I am sacrificing a lot of power by not running Intel.

I can hold off for a while. But, I could order the new parts at any time as well.

Seems like I am looking for a reason to switch to Intel when my AMD seems to run just fine lol.

A buddy of mine is running a 8350 or 8320 with a 970 and he's having no issues at all. Don't listen to those negative people because you need happiness and love in your life.

A 8370 is still good for whatever you need, and if you're happy with it, keep it until a major upgrade.

 

[Shou Miko]

No need to change, u got a fine cpu here, do as Toothless say wait for AMD Zen and see how good that preforms.

 

[little cat]

I expect a boost up to 40% in gaming if i7 6700K + DDR4 3200MHz are used . But yet , i think its not worth too much .

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[Shou Miko]

I expect a boost up to 30% in gaming if i7 6700K + DDR4 3200MHz are used . But yet , i think its not worth too much .

The link is not working .

The boost on DDR3 vs DDR4 ain't the highest plus the higher frequency on ur memory the higher timing they just cancels them self out.

 

[newtekie1]

The 8370 is holding back your 980Ti, that is for sure. But not holding it back to the point you would notice it. Sure, you can benchmark and stare at a framerate counter and see the difference, but you won't notice it in gameplay unless you are playing one of the few games that is very CPU bound.

Plus, you've got a H105, use it! You should be able to crank that 8370's overclock up a few notches(heck my 3850 is doing 4.6GHz with an H80). Use the free boost in performance from the overclock to hold you over for a few more months. Broadwell-E will be coming out in the next few months, and honestly, the i7-6800K is looking like a pretty enticing little chip.

Honestly Zen from AMD should be coming out this year so holding off would be best.

Saddly, if Zen makes it out this year, it is going to be very late in the year. AM4 is set to launch soon, but the first lineup of processors for it will still the the same old Bulldozer based CPUs we've already had. Just updated to use DDR4. So Zen is a ways off still.

 

[little cat]

 

[Lazermonkey]

I consistently run 60+ fps in The Division 2560x1440p.

Never notice any lag or crap like that. When I ran the benchmark in the game, it shows the CPU arounnd 50% and the GPU around 73-75% usage.

Not sure if that is good or not?

Thanks again for all of your informative responses.

 

[Shou Miko]

I consistently run 60+ fps in The Division 2560x1440p.

Never notice any lag or crap like that. When I ran the benchmark in the game, it shows the CPU arounnd 50% and the GPU around 73-75% usage.

Not sure if that is good or not?

Thanks again for all of your informative responses.

cpu usage doing games varies a lot depending on what the game is made for, take like WoW it uses a lot of cpu more than gfx, than there is other games that want better gfx than cpu to run better, i don't game division so I can't personally say anything about it, other than it's not really a game for me, it's like Tom Clarency games not really good at the controlling other than the main character

 

[wolar]

I consistently run 60+ fps in The Division 2560x1440p.

Never notice any lag or crap like that. When I ran the benchmark in the game, it shows the CPU arounnd 50% and the GPU around 73-75% usage.

Not sure if that is good or not?

Thanks again for all of your informative responses.

Its good , it means you have headroom and your cpu and gpu are more capable than that . Don't listen to anyone and upgrade , you will regret it.
Yea you might notice a slight increase in performance but it not worth the price you are paying. Hold of until new CPUs come or if you feel like it get the new intel cpus based on 2011-v3 , the only "upgrade" there is for you now in my opinion and it still is questionable according to your usage.

 

[trog100]

intel is faster but amd is fast enough.. which is the only reason amd is still in business..

if the only performance you are losing is the performance you dont need who gives a f-ck..

just avoid looking at too many benchmarks.. evil things that they are.. he he..

trog

 

[rruff]

Never notice any lag or crap like that. When I ran the benchmark in the game, it shows the CPU arounnd 50% and the GPU around 73-75% usage.

Single thread speed is the main thing limiting you. You have 8 (slow) CPU cores, which the game will not be able to utilize effectively, so you will never see all of them maxed. Look at little cat's videos.

 

[Toothless]

Single thread speed is the main thing limiting you. You have 8 (slow) CPU cores, which the game will not be able to utilize effectively, so you will never see all of them maxed. Look at little cat's videos.

Overclocked, those FX chips can do wonders given they're not Intel. Games are moving to more cores and having used a FX-6300 before, OP is still pretty well off for the time being.

 

[rruff]

Overclocked, those FX chips can do wonders given they're not Intel. Games are moving to more cores and having used a FX-6300 before, OP is still pretty well off for the time being.

Even OC'd they'd be a good deal slower than none OC'd Intel. And you can OC Intel also.

Even if a game can use 8 cores it will not be able to do it as effectively as 4 (or 1). Diminishing returns. A lot of computations can't be split and run in parallel, so core speed dominates.

 

[Toothless]

Even OC'd they'd be a good deal slower than none OC'd Intel. And you can OC Intel also.

Even if a game can use 8 cores it will not be able to do it as effectively as 4 (or 1). Diminishing returns. A lot of computations can't be split and run in parallel, so core speed dominates.

Did you not see that the OP was content at the chip doing as he needs? He doesn't need to jump to Intel when he's just fine with the FX. It's people like you that were putting questions in his mind when he said

"I just get people telling me I am sacrificing a lot of power by not running Intel." (third post if you can't find it)

OP is fine, quit being a fanboy, everyone knows Intel is stronger but you really need to knock it off or better yet, let's use your money to upgrade from AMD to Intel next time around.

 

[silentbogo]

OP, don't listen to fanboys, listen to reason.

Your FX-8370 is approximately on par with hexacore Xeon X5675 and is overall a decent CPU even for gaming.
Assuming that you are playing @1440p and not aiming at lightning-fast 144Hz at the cost of visual quality, then your CPU won't be a bottleneck for GTX 980Ti. Some people play GTA 5 @4K High with identical specs.

The only true reason to upgrade is power consumption. Your FX has a whooping 125W TDP (much higher with OC), so you can switch to a 65W Core i5 (and have identical gaming performance) solely for saving $$$ on electrical bills and to save some space (or your eardrums) with smaller/quieter cooling. That's about it.

 

[rruff]

OP, don't listen to fanboys, listen to reason. Your FX-8370 is approximately on par with hexacore Xeon X5675 and is overall a decent CPU even for gaming.

It's "decent", but then so is a Ivy i3. Fanboyism is when you ignore facts. Look at the video above where the FX is compared to Intel processors.

Or: https://browser.primatelabs.com/processor-benchmarks

AMD FX-8370
4000 MHz (8 cores)
Single: 2499
Multi: 12718

Intel Xeon X5650
2670 MHz (6 cores, 12 threads)
Single: 3322
Multi: 14370

*Slower processor than the 5675 with way more OC capability than the 8370.

Intel Core i7-6700K
4000 MHz (4 cores, 8 threads)
Single: 4984
Multi: 19409

Not saying he needs to buy a new CPU and MB. Nobody who is satisfied with their setup needs to buy anything. But he can get a large gaming upgrade for his 980 Ti by getting a Skylake i5 or i7 CPU, and that seems to be the reason he asked the question in the first place.

 

[Toothless]

It's "decent", but then so is a Ivy i3. Fanboyism is when you ignore facts. Look at the video above where the FX is compared to Intel processors.

Or: https://browser.primatelabs.com/processor-benchmarks

AMD FX-8370
4000 MHz (8 cores)
Single: 2499
Multi: 12718

Intel Xeon X5650
2670 MHz (6 cores, 12 threads)
Single: 3322
Multi: 14370

*Slower processor than the 5675 with way more OC capability than the 8370.

Intel Core i7-6700K
4000 MHz (4 cores, 8 threads)
Single: 4984
Multi: 19409

Not saying he needs to buy a new CPU and MB. Nobody who is satisfied with their setup needs to buy anything. But he can get a large gaming upgrade for his 980 Ti by getting a Skylake i5 or i7 CPU, and that seems to be the reason he asked the question in the first place.

Boy, you keep looking at benchmarks thinking they mean more than life. OP is content, Zen is coming which might be good, the issue has been solved.

 

[silentbogo]

It's "decent", but then so is a Ivy i3. Fanboyism is when you ignore facts. Look at the video above where the FX is compared to Intel processors.

Or: https://browser.primatelabs.com/processor-benchmarks

That's exactly the reason why I explicitly called it fanboyism

There are several factors that we should take into account before suggesting any upgrades:
1) Does the current configuration working as desired
2) Will there be ANY visible improvement to the gaming process after upgrade
3) Is it cost-effiective

Few sidenotes:
- The OP has a 1440p display, which most likely runs at 60Hz, but no more than 75Hz if overclocked (not sure if Acer has any 1440p 144Hz displays)
- In its current configuration the PC is already capable of handling most games 1440p@60Hz
- In case of an upgrade to i7-4790 the OP will have to spend at least $400 on CPU/MoBo

Raw CPU horsepower don't really mean crap in gaming environment, so if the question is bottlenecking, then we should look at something more suitable, than the most ridiculous benchmark "Geegbench 3".
Let's look at Graphics scores in 3DMark FireStrike test:
FX-8370
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5534045
i7-4790
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5813228

The overall score shows an Intel lead (~10K vs ~13.5K), yet graphics score is almost the same (~17.3K vs ~17K). In case of AMD platform, there is a slight 100MHz GPU overclock, which is responsible for a whooping 2% lead, but other than it is exactly the same, which means if there is a bottleneck, you can't see it due to relatively low framerate figures in this benchmark.

At the same time, if you test both platforms with, let's say, Unigine Heaven: Basic preset or Half-Life: Lost Coast, then you'd probably get a 30%-40% win for Intel platform (because it would feed FPS numbers in hundreds), but in the real world no one wants to play 720p min settings, when there is a friggin' GTX980Ti in his/her PC.

 

[trog100]

the OP put his upgrade money in the right place.. a nice 980 TI card.. i am pretty sure amd cpu or not his machine will play games pretty well at 1440.. he he..

trog

 

[little cat]

Some results based on 4 games ,resolution 2560x1440

Core i7 6700K ,DDR4 3000 - 162.8
Core i7 4790K - 147.5
Core i7 4770K - 144
Core i7 6700K , DDR4 1600 - 143.8
Core i5 4690K 3.5GHz - 136
Core i7 3770K - 132. 8
Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz - 115.8
FX 8350 4GHz - 108
FX 6300 3.5GHz - 91
Phenom II x6 1100T - 84.3
Phenom II x4 980BE -77.5

 

[Lazermonkey]

Thanks everyone for the responses. I think I shall wait until some new CPU's are released. Like I said. This thing runs fine. for now.

I don't think the cost offset is worth it at this point.

 

[little cat]

Thanks everyone for the responses. I think I shall wait until some new CPU's are released. Like I said. This thing runs fine. for now.

I don't think the cost offset is worth it at this point.

That s right