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That's really misleading. You are showing the tables that are used to prove that nvidia is purposely gimping older gen cards through its driver releases so they would sell new cards. I fail to see how this relates to the memory fiasco.

16/May/2016 ? I tough new cards came few weeks later.
 
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16/May/2016 ? I tough new cards came few weeks later.

I still fail to see how this is memory related. All Nvidia cards dropped in relative performance (not even talking about the fact that they compared lead/deficit in the first number, that's also misleading, 1%->2% would be 100% already, while this is more a margin of error, that's why the number of the GTX970 is increased so much).
ALL cards dropped and only ONE of those cards has the memory issue. Again this is showing how ALL cards perform worse over time compared to AMD cards over time. So these tables prove nothing related to the memory issue. I suggest you troll somewhere else.
 
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I still fail to see how this is memory related. All Nvidia cards dropped in relative performance (not even talking about the fact that they compared lead/deficit in the first number, that's also misleading, 1%->2% would be 100% already, while this is more a margin of error, that's why the number of the GTX970 is increased so much).
ALL cards dropped and only ONE of those cards has the memory issue. Again this is showing how ALL cards perform worse over time compared to AMD cards over time. So these tables prove nothing related to the memory issue. I suggest you troll somewhere else.

2015 > 31% > 2016 > 26% = 4% loss
2015 > 9% > 2016 > 6% > 3% loss

2015 > -2% > 2016 > -9% > 12% loss

2015 > 12% >2016 >6% = 6% loss


120%(+) more faster performance loss over another cards.
 
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Real chart would look like this:



to put it into other perspective:



Note that 15% faster isn't too impressive, given how AMD drivers improve over time:
Nvidia past generation GPUs aging terribly - version 2
Nvidia GPUs age fine, AMD GPUs simply "aged" better because AMD had tons of untapped potential that took them YEARS of diver updates to actually use.

Take the 7970. It can tango with a 780 at times now, were as it was right on the edge of a 680 at launch. Now imagine if AMD had actually unscrewed their driver before then, and curb stomped the 680 back in 2012, instead of waiting until now to use their card at its full potential.

So the real question is, do you want the performance you bought now, or three years from now? Most of us vote now, not three years later.

And while everyone says nvidia is gimping, that would indicate that performance is dropping. It hasnt. My 770s are no slower today then they were when maxwell came out, and STILL play everything on the market with no issues outside of forza 6. people act like nvidia is destroying their older cards, when that is simply not the case. Nvidia simply stops optimizing for cards they no longer sell. AMD did the exact same thing, but worse. They just stopped driver support altogether for their old arch, something nvidia did not do (RIP 6000 series, while the 500 series from the same era are still getting updates). The only reason AMD still optimizes for GCN 1 is that they still sell GCN 1, and will for at least another year, since the mobile 400 series has plenty of rebrands left in it.

dont act like AMD is some driver god. They are not. They update because they didnt have a full line of new GPUs to sell, not because they are some benevolent company. The moment they have a full GPU line that isnt GCN based, optimizations for GCN will disappear.

If AMD makes it to that point without going bankrupt, of course.
 
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Now imagine if AMD
As a bottom line, you have AMD GPUs advancing over competitors over time. (whatever the cause is)
And that while even in early stage they offer better perf/$.

Another point it how quickly NV obsoletes earlier gen cards.
 
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Nvidia GPUs age fine, AMD GPUs simply "aged" better because AMD had tons of untapped potential that took them YEARS of diver updates to actually use.

Take the 7970. It can tango with a 780 at times now, were as it was right on the edge of a 680 at launch. Now imagine if AMD had actually unscrewed their driver before then, and curb stomped the 680 back in 2012, instead of waiting until now to use their card at its full potential.

So the real question is, do you want the performance you bought now, or three years from now? Most of us vote now, not three years later.

And while everyone says nvidia is gimping, that would indicate that performance is dropping. It hasnt. My 770s are no slower today then they were when maxwell came out, and STILL play everything on the market with no issues outside of forza 6. people act like nvidia is destroying their older cards, when that is simply not the case. Nvidia simply stops optimizing for cards they no longer sell. AMD did the exact same thing, but worse. They just stopped driver support altogether for their old arch, something nvidia did not do (RIP 6000 series, while the 500 series from the same era are still getting updates). The only reason AMD still optimizes for GCN 1 is that they still sell GCN 1, and will for at least another year, since the mobile 400 series has plenty of rebrands left in it.

dont act like AMD is some driver god. They are not. They update because they didnt have a full line of new GPUs to sell, not because they are some benevolent company. The moment they have a full GPU line that isnt GCN based, optimizations for GCN will disappear.

If AMD makes it to that point without going bankrupt, of course.


I didn't had any problems with AMD Drivers over 3 GENS.(4850/5870/290x)

Before acting like AMD drivers isn't good, ask ur self if nvidia ones much better ?

1.Nvidia support only 900/1k series, while AMD is still supporting HD7000 series.

2.FreeSync/CrossFire/OpenCL - Everything works with driver, Open source and doesn't request extra hardware cost or cost.

3.

Problem with drivers ? both companies has some small bugs.

Nvidia lunched their GPU with fan problem and some bug wiith dvi frequency.
 

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Judging from what the average PC gamer is running from the Steam Harware Survey the 1060 will be a hell of a nice upgrade if it's priced affordably.
 
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Havn't been following the news lately at all i guess?

Considering the 950 can be sli'd. Im guessing this 1060 could be as well. I dont know.
 
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I didn't had any problems with AMD Drivers over 3 GENS.(4850/5870/290x)

Before acting like AMD drivers isn't good, ask ur self if nvidia ones much better ?

1.Nvidia support only 900/1k series, while AMD is still supporting HD7000 series.

2.FreeSync/CrossFire/OpenCL - Everything works with driver, Open source and doesn't request extra hardware cost or cost.

3.

Problem with drivers ? both companies has some small bugs.

Nvidia lunched their GPU with fan problem and some bug wiith dvi frequency.
Perhaps you should read what I wrote before jumping to your keyboard.

I never said AMD had problems with their driver (although they certainly used to), I said they had tons of potential that took them years to actually use through driver updates. The 7970 should have outperformed the 680 at launch. It shouldnt have taken until now for GCN 1 to perform decently.

Nvidia supports as far back as the 500 series. Check their website. 368.69 is compatible with the 500 series, and appears at the latest driver, just like the 1080. The cutoff was the 400 series because they do not support DX11. Meanwhile, AMD dropped the DX11 compliant 6000 series last year. AMD stopped optimizing for the 6000 series back in 2012, just like nvidia did with the 700 series. The latest driver for the 6000 series from AMD's site is 15.7, with 16.2 being available as a beta driver.

People act like nvidia is terrible and AMD is saintly, but the truth is AMD's legacy support isnt as good, and while AMD gpus age better, nvidia GPUS work well when they are relevant, not two years later when replacements are already out.
Considering the 950 can be sli'd. Im guessing this 1060 could be as well. I dont know.
The 1060 will most likely SLI. Nvidia only cut dual SLI for anything under the x5x lineup.
 
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"Rumor" -

As i think NVIDIA doesn't really want to kill AMD, like Intel did... in first few years that could be good plan, but performance over prev gen will dramatically drop without AMD, and after few years no one would rush to buy a new GPUs.

Perhaps you should read what I wrote before jumping to your keyboard.

I never said AMD had problems with their driver (although they certainly used to), I said they had tons of potential that took them years to actually use through driver updates. The 7970 should have outperformed the 680 at launch. It shouldnt have taken until now for GCN 1 to perform decently.

Nvidia supports as far back as the 500 series. Check their website. 368.69 is compatible with the 500 series, and appears at the latest driver, just like the 1080. The cutoff was the 400 series because they do not support DX11. Meanwhile, AMD dropped the DX11 compliant 6000 series last year. AMD stopped optimizing for the 6000 series back in 2012, just like nvidia did with the 700 series.

People act like nvidia is terrible and AMD is saintly, but the truth is AMD's legacy support isnt as good, and while AMD gpus age better, nvidia GPUS work well when they are relevant, not two years later when replacements are already out.

The 1060 will most likely SLI. Nvidia only cut dual SLI for anything under the x5x lineup.

Microsoft is "supporting" Windows 7 to.

and AMD is "supporting" HD5000 Series to

Legacy support isn't count.


You should probably take your head out of AMD's butthole.
I have been an nvidia user for a while now since i got burned on AMD gpu's/cpu's a couple times in the past. But i have never bashed AMD for anything, its people like you who annoy me. Trying to do everything to discredit a different company/product.
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Why anyone with half a brain would pick 2 x RX480 over a single GTX 1070 is beyond me.

The GTX 1070 is faster in MOST of the benchmarks, its cheaper, a lot less power draw, a lot less heat and noise and no CF issues or microstutter.

Pricing (newegg)

Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 Gaming = $429.99
MSI RX 480 x 2 = $478.98

Thats $50 MORE expensive than a 1070. $80 if you pick the $399 gigabyte 1070.


83° on OC is perfectly fine especially a 10-15% OC.

RX480 = 91° on a 1.5% OC and anything above crashes the system.

Both are reference cards btw so this is apples to apples.

Don't start what exactly?

I wonder why everyone thinks these cards will be sold at their msrp of $199 and $249. The 380 with an msrp of $199 was being sold for 275-280 EURO at the time which is around $310. I've already seen a webshop that listed an RX480 8GB for 241ÂŁ which is 305 EUR or $345. So if i had to chose between say an EVGA 1080 that retails for $649 or xfire RX480's for $600-700, it would be an easy choice for me. As i curently have an SLI setup, i will be going back to single card setup, a lot less issues. I will snag myself a 1070 at $400 when i'm going back to the usa in September.
 
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2015 > 31% > 2016 > 26% = 4% loss
2015 > 9% > 2016 > 6% > 3% loss

2015 > -2% > 2016 > -9% > 12% loss

2015 > 12% >2016 >6% = 6% loss


120%(+) more faster performance loss over another cards.

according to the numbers you originally posted the gtx 970 lost 7% in performance, 960 5%, 980 ti 4% and 980 only 2%.

A 1% deficit to 2% deficit (99fps to 98fps to a reference 100fps) would else lead to a 100% loss, which is clearly not right. it's less than 1% loss of performance: 1-(98/99). The reason it looks really bad is that the base deficit of the 970 starts at 2%.

Plus this was only a rumour nvidia gimped ALL older cards to give a boost in sales of their new ones and was proven wrong. So I highly doubt the source of your numbers.
 
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To your analogy people should have always went for the nVidia GTX 950 as it had THE best $/perf out of all the cards apart from the new RX480.

That's nearly the only tier where nv can claim victory in perf/$.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/26.html

Nvidia cards do NOT lose performance over time
Sometimes they do even lose perf in the same games.
But what's worse, they drop getting supported and get pathetic FPS in newer games, so that 960 looks impressive next to 780Ti.
That's what one can also mean by losing performance.


Using 10 years old mainboard to spread FUD.
Priceless.
 
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Where exactly am i lying in my posts? Could you point them out because i can't see it.

Facts:

RX480 8GB CF is NOT cheaper than a single GTX1070
RX480 CF does NOT beat a GTX 1080 not even a GTX 170 in MOST cases. (It does however in Ashes of the Singularity in 1080p, but whoever plays that game anyway it has about a 1000 mixed reviews on steam)
RX480 has AWEFUL perf/watt ratio expecially when overclocked.

Yes its cheap and it performs the same as a 970 which is 2 years old and on the same pricepoint in my country.

It deserves a slow clap.
 
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You are replacing new cards by older cards. We are discussing THE NEW generation.

Don't bring up old crap. Seriously, i'm out, there is no reasoning with you.

Nobody ever claimed 960's in SLI were faster than a 290x.

However AMD's slides showed 480 CF beating the 700$ gtx 1080 or am i wrong?
 
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You are replacing new cards by older cards. We are discussing THE NEW generation.

Don't bring up old crap. Seriously, i'm out, there is no reasoning with you.

Sorry but why did you bring prev gen GTX 970 to new RX480 ?

I smell double standards....


Edit.

Do you remember ? AMD said in AOTS DX12.

 
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medi01 post: 3481877 said:
Using 10 years old mainboard to spread FUD.
Priceless.

970 chipset isn't 10 years old. Only option is buy Intel and awesome motherboards.
 

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Price will be the key here. If NVIDIA can get this card in at less than RX 480 - and since GTX 1060 has less memory, which means lower cost of BOM, that's theoretically possible - then AMD has nothing until Vega.

My best guess? NVIDIA GTX 1060 will come in $30 to $40 more than the RX 480, because of NVIDIA hubris, and expect people to buy just because they are Nvidia.
Sad thing is, people probably will, despite RX 480 cards probably coming soon in AIB format.

THIS is purely a reaction to AMD (not as some have speculated the Maxwell price drops were- Those are purely to eliminate "last year's car models" from the car lot, so to speak.) . RX 480 however, has them worried about losing mid-tier market, so they quickly pull up by months a release. You only do that by cutting corners just to get a product out there. Don't color me surprised if these things are bug-ridden.
 
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Hello everyone. I'm here to ask you all to stay on topic and post in a manner that doesn't insult others.

I won't be posting any more warnings.

Thank you!
 
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My best guess? NVIDIA will come in $30 to $40 more than the RX 480, because of NVIDIA hubris, and expect people to buy just because they are Nvidia.
Sad thing is, people probably will, despite RX 480 cards probably coming soon in AIB format.

THIS is purely a reaction to AMD (not as some have speculated the Maxwell price drops- Those are purely to eliminate "last year's car models" from the car lot, so to speak.) . RX 480 however, has them worried about losing mid-tier market, so they quickly pull up by months a release. You only do that by cutting corners just to get a product out there. Don't color me surprised if these things are bug-ridden.

They will buy it because it will be faster, cooler, consume less power and get better reviews. And of course because it's Nvidia, a company that is leading this market. AMD has to deliver an outstanding product to compete, 480 is far from that.
 

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GTX960 4GB is NOT cheaper than a single 290.
GTX 960 SLI does not beat 290x and not even 290 in most cases( It does however in GamesWorks Title in 1080p, but whoever plays that games anyway it has about a 1000 mixed reviews on steam)
GTX 960 has pretty good p/w ratio especially when downclocked.


Yes its cheap and it performs the worse than a 280x which is 4 years old and on the same price point in my country.
It deserves a slow clap.




100fps ? i tough it 50 and less ...

and 9% isn't 1%.


You are doing it again, he is referring to the 480 (new), you are cherry picking your argument for arguments sake making a totally irrelevant comparison with a 960 which is NOT a 1060, you then go on to post as you have done in EVERY other recent AMD or NVidia thread recently, a pile of crap that interests no one and completely takes over these threads, time to get over yourself, what does your post have to do with the GTX 1060? I have told you nicely to stop twice, you have had your chances, you need a break clearly.
 

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Hello everyone. I'm here to ask you all to stay on topic and post in a manner that doesn't insult others.

I won't be posting any more warnings.

Thank you!

No offence erocker but if you're going to thrash edit the thread can't you delete all posts that don't mention 1060? Otherwise it wasn't as vitriolic as other threads have been.

My post mentions 1060. Edit me and TPU is getting rather like an Orwellian dystopian future. :p
 
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I guess were supposed to be talking about the GTX 1060? Seems like were talking about anything but it.

All this release shows is that Nvidia were scared enough to push up the launch because they didn't want to lose the market segment. The same could be said when AMD announced they were pushing Vega's release up.

The thing that matters about the 1060 is going to be how it performs and where its priced. We can already assume they are not going to leave a huge gap between the GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 in price so its probably not going to be $200, more than likely at minimum $250. On top of that if we looks at specs, we can guess that since its half the GTX 1080 on the same general architecture its going to be about half the performance. Then we can factor in the lower memory bandwidth and take that into account that could result in it being slightly below half way on the GTX 1080. If we also assume the same clocks then this is a pretty decent guess on its performance. But even then, we can't guess exact so we need to wait and see some reviews.

We need to see its performance out in the real world before judging, then we can factor in how it performs. By the looks of it, if done right it could offer decent performance especially if it overclocks well which may put it above the RX 480 in that case until we see if aftermarket variants alleviate that.
 
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