Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

HTC · Jul 8, 2016

Frick said:
The deployment has been annoying, that I agree on. Most of the other stuff can be disabled, and improvements are made.

Most of the other stuff should not have even been there to begin with ...

Frick · Jul 8, 2016

What exactly is the telemetry that is being sent, with everything turned off but not registry/group policy edited? I've read some about it, but it doesn't seem very clear.

Mussels · Jul 8, 2016

oh its no worse than the older OS's did, or even what google/apple do - the main problem is no easy method to turn some of it off.

O&O's shutup10 is a good all in one program to turn them off, and other options that were harder to disable (things like windows defender, which has gotten easier in modern builds)

Frick · Jul 8, 2016

Mussels said:
oh its no worse than the older OS's did, or even what google/apple do - the main problem is no easy method to turn some of it off.

And what is that exactly? Like I have some live panels in the start meny, that alone require a wealth of information to deliver.

Mussels · Jul 8, 2016

Frick said:
And what is that exactly? Like I have some live panels in the start meny, that alone require a wealth of information to deliver.

anything you search for in the cortana menu is sent to MS, even if its not being searched for online, the default windows defender uploads files to MS servers for cloud scanning (for some threat types), windows updats that can download or install at any time - things like that.

Personally i want it off because i want a clean gaming machine without any random lag - some people get very paranoid about any network traffic at all.

cdawall · Jul 8, 2016

And then there are people like me who have stopped caring.

AsRock · Jul 8, 2016

cdawall said:
And then there are people like me who have stopped caring.

Then you have the people why they have no privacy and 1/2 the time it's their fault.

Kursah · Jul 8, 2016

HTC said:
Most of the other stuff should not have even been there to begin with ...

Thing is a lot of the privacy concerns folks have with 10, and what MS and other articles have advertised about what information Win 10 shares about privacy and what you do on your PC have been done for some time with other OSes (not just MS either...hell even some Linux distros are guilty), apps, companies, memberships, websites, programs, games, etc.

Too little too late to worry and fuss now...best thing to do is be proactive, block what you can, use what you are comfortable with. Too many folks are all of a sudden concerned now with Windows 10...when they should've been 20 years ago. Not saying MS is innocent here, but rather they've been doing this for years, along with everyone else...good luck keeping your privacy private while on the grid. Even if you stopped Windows 10 from sharing everything (you can't), there's still 100's if not 1000's of other metrics by which your activity is being recorded and measured.

:toast:

laszlo · Jul 8, 2016

unfortunately sooner or later i'll be forced to go with 10 due gaming....

i know is possible to block ports in router... did anyone tried to block the ports used by M$ ?

rtwjunkie · Jul 8, 2016

Kursah said:
Thing is a lot of the privacy concerns folks have with 10, and what MS and other articles have advertised about what information Win 10 shares about privacy and what you do on your PC have been done for some time with other OSes (not just MS either...hell even some Linux distros are guilty), apps, companies, memberships, websites, programs, games, etc.

Too little too late to worry and fuss now...best thing to do is be proactive, block what you can, use what you are comfortable with. Too many folks are all of a sudden concerned now with Windows 10...when they should've been 20 years ago. Not saying MS is innocent here, but rather they've been doing this for years, along with everyone else...good luck keeping your privacy private while on the grid. Even if you stopped Windows 10 from sharing everything (you can't), there's still 100's if not 1000's of other metrics by which your activity is being recorded and measured.

So much information about everyone is already known about all of us, that this scene from the near-futuristic movie Minority Report is going to be reality before long. As Kursah said, the time to have fought against it was 20 years ago.

cdawall · Jul 8, 2016

AsRock said:
Then you have the people why they have no privacy and 1/2 the time it's their fault.

ISP monitors my traffic, microsoft monitors my traffic, NSA monitors my traffic I may as well post my logs on the door at this point.

AsRock · Jul 8, 2016

cdawall said:
ISP monitors my traffic, microsoft monitors my traffic, NSA monitors my traffic I may as well post my logs on the door at this point.

My ISP monitors my connection too but they should do, microsoft has no reason to except personal gain at your cost. Same goes with NSA they should do too as they need to do there jobs to help to keep everyone safe.

rtwjunkie · Jul 8, 2016

AsRock said:
My ISP monitors my connection too but they should do, microsoft has no reason to except personal gain at your cost. Same goes with NSA they should do too as they need to do there jobs to help to keep everyone safe.

Watch the video I posted. It's all about marketing!

AsRock · Jul 8, 2016

rtwjunkie said:
Watch the video I posted. It's all about marketing!

They can market all they like i know i block 99.9% of ads, except those sites allow.

And in any case if you have a problem with your ISP advertising move long or don't have a ISP if your that bothered.

When you agree to a ISP you agree to what they do and if your not aware of what they going to do then maybe you should not be agreeing in the fist place.

cdawall · Jul 8, 2016

You agreed to the same collection of information when you hit agree on the TaC on your Microsoft license.

Deleted member 110753 · Jul 8, 2016

I still use WinXPproSp3 and Win7pro64 for a lot of reasons.
I tested Win10proSp1, it's an OS for kids (or gamers)...

P4-630 · Jul 8, 2016

Well, I'm still not interested in 10

The windows 7 laptop I wanted to try it on refused windows 10

And new games will be still playable in DX11.

Regards,

Windows 8.1 user.

AsRock · Jul 9, 2016

P4-630 said:
Well, I'm still not interested in 10 The windows 7 laptop I wanted to try it on refused windows 10
And new games will be still playable in DX11.

Regards,

Windows 8.1 user.

I feel like it might be a mistake later on time, if MS is willing to sue a 13 yo for a domain name that sounds like Microsoft (MikeRoweSoft) and offer $10 to buy it who knows what evil crap they have installed for us lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_vs._MikeRoweSoft

rougal · Jul 9, 2016

I'm still on w7. Why? No driver support from Asus for My Mobo... Not gonna upgrade until this mobo is dead, by then i'll have force myself to upgrade to w10 on a newer setup.

Caring1 · Jul 9, 2016

I recently picked up a version of W7 upgrade for $3

Now I can build another system with Vista, with the legal software I have and own, and then go straight to 7. :peace:

qubit · Jul 9, 2016

rougal said:
I'm still on w7. Why? No driver support from Asus for My Mobo... Not gonna upgrade until this mobo is dead, by then i'll have force myself to upgrade to w10 on a newer setup.

Is your W7 a retail copy? If so, upgrade anyway* and activate it. That way when you get a new mobo, your retail licence should enable you to activate it (perhaps by phone) on that new mobo too without spending money. If you've got an OEM copy then this won't work.

*Image your current installation onto a spare HDD, disconnect the original HDD and upgrade that. You can then delete it after that. I use Paragon Hard Disc Manager for imaging as it's very good. It's not free software though.

Frick · Jul 9, 2016

HiSpeed said:
I tested Win10proSp1, it's an OS for kids (or gamers)...

Why?

Deleted member 110753 · Jul 9, 2016

Frick said:
Why?

The 2D Lego interface (named Metro) for advertising... I hate it on my workstations...

qubit · Jul 9, 2016

HiSpeed said:
The 2D Lego interface (named Metro) for advertising... I hate it on my workstations...

Agreed it's garbage, however, it's trivial to deal with. Just install the free Classic Shell and it all goes away. Bliss.

www.classicshell.net

Deleted member 110753 · Jul 9, 2016

qubit said:
Agreed it's garbage, however, it's trivial to deal with. Just install the free Classic Shell and it all goes away. Bliss.

www.classicshell.net

Yes, I use it, but it's much easier to customize Win7 than Win10.
I've no time to waste to suppress useless tools, services, processes, etc.

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Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

Now that W10 is out, are you a W7/W8 refusenik?

Yes

No

Wait and see how W10 develops over the next few months

Gotta try it out a bit more

Depends on how good DX12 is and the support it gets

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