So GTX 1060 is the best price/perf card it seems?

[$ReaPeR$]

disabling or not having SLI on the 1060 cards simply gives the AMD 480 an additional advantage.. CF problems or not a couple of cheap 480 cards looks a good alternative to me to the (over priced) higher end Nvidia offering.. more so if they come up with a dual gpu card based on the 480 chip..

trog

i second that. also the 490 is supposed to be a dual chip card. there were some leaks.
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-490-dual-gpu/

Offload my 950, which serves me well, or stick to it 1080p gaming .... decisions decisions ....

i would wait if i were you. let the dust clear out and then decide.

 

[JrRacinFan]

i would wait if i were you. let the dust clear out and then decide.

Kind of leaning towards that too. PLus it will let me move over to a newer arch base, saving up some. Z170 is tempting but this 860 gets me along just fine ...

 

[Intervention]

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/07/nvidia-gtx-1060-specs-price-release-date/

As much as the RX 480 is a great card for the price, it can't touch the 1060 at least not in my opinion.
You do get more features with this GPU, you get 6GB Vram standard.
Lower power consumption, and a substantial speed increase over the RX 480 whilst being only 10 dollars more than the 8GB RX 480 variant.

GTX 980 performance for 250 dollars looks to be a real winner.

Yes, the GTX 1060 seems to be a good deal if you are not into the multi gpu setup. 2 RX 480's at $200 each will compete with a GTX 1070 and GTX 1080. I like the idea of being able to crossfire 2x $200 gpu's and getting high end frame rates for a lot less money, specially at 4K resolutions. Although multi gpu setups are not ideal, it still provides a great option for those of us looking for a great aesthetic look and upgradability. Cheers!

 

[$ReaPeR$]

Kind of leaning towards that too. PLus it will let me move over to a newer arch base, saving up some. Z170 is tempting but this 860 gets me along just fine ...

based on your system specs you seem like a price/perf guy, so yes, you should wait. you managed to wait untill now, whats 3-4 more monts..
you could also end up with a cheap 980ti if you dont mind the generation thing.

ps. how is that 860 handling things?

 

[EdInk]

RX480 5.2billion transistors same TDP as GTX1070 with 7.2billion trannies....GCN seems to be the weak link here, not very efficient...RX480 already lacks here imo.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

Yes, the GTX 1060 seems to be a good deal if you are not into the multi gpu setup. 2 RX 480's at $200 each will compete with a GTX 1070 and GTX 1080. I like the idea of being able to crossfire 2x $200 gpu's and getting high end frame rates for a lot less money, specially at 4K resolutions. Although multi gpu setups are not ideal, it still provides a great option for those of us looking for a great aesthetic look and upgradability. Cheers!

hopefully dx12 will make sli/cf a viable option for everyone. that would be a game-changer imo.

 

[Intervention]

hopefully dx12 will make sli/cf a viable option for everyone. that would be a game-changer imo.

I would be nice to see Nvidia cards running along side AMD cards For sure!

 

[xorbe]

It has been conjectured that SLI was disabled on these cards as two 1060's will match the 1080 for only $600.

4-way support dropped to 2-way, and 2-way support dropped to 1-way ... pretty straight forward cost reductions ...

 

[RejZoR]

4-way support dropped to 2-way, and 2-way support dropped to 1-way ... pretty straight forward cost reductions ...

It's not a cost reduction if you are then forced to make huge super fast GPU. Designing those is expensive and making those is even more expensive because less of them fit on a wafer in factory. It's why AMD is chasing multi-GPU solutions by default now and Navi should be the first such full attempt at it. Fitting several smaller chips on a single board while having great scaling with minimal software/driver interference is the future. They can fit hundreds of smaller GPU's on a single wafer in factory, they can spread out heat production so it's not so centralized on a final product and end result are way cheaper graphic cards with basically same performance. Want a faster card? Just stack more GPU's on it. It'll one day become that simple. But we aren't quite there yet and I think DX12 has to become a norm like DX11 is today. It has to be in every game and then we will see that. So far, things are moving rather slowly thanks to bad Windows 10 adoption (thanks to shitty Microsoft policies).

 

[Frick]

So far, things are moving rather slowly thanks to bad Windows 10 adoption (thanks to shitty Microsoft policies).

I wouldn't say slow. MS themselves says it's faster than how fast Win7 was adopted. Close to 300m users now.

 

[sutyi]

I would wait for the reviews before drawing any conclusions. I still have my concerns about the DX12 capabilities of Pascal...

 

[HD64G]

Same here.. If this is better priced and perfoms on par with rx480 i might just get this baby... been so long since I upgraded.. gonna be my last upgrade on my old obsolete 1080p setup.

Just an estimation: 1060 will be less powerful than custom RX480s and even a bit more expensive as well. Only pro for it will be its lower power consumption which tbh isn't a problem to cover when it's <200W nowadays. 290X vs 970 had a big diff in this factor indeed and nVidia milked 970s price. Now it will be no brain to get the most FPS/$ GPU no matter which it is. especially in this budget price lvl.

 

[Caring1]

I wouldn't say slow. MS themselves says it's faster than how fast Win7 was adopted. Close to 300m users now.

Off topic, but how many Win 7 users were forced to adopt that O.S.?

 

[Frick]

Off topic, but how many Win 7 users were forced to adopt that O.S.?

No one's forced to anything, IMO, it's just that people don't read things. They just click around randomly until whatever it is they are seeing dissapears. One could argue MS should know that by know, and that is maybe what they do.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

Off topic, but how many Win 7 users were forced to adopt that O.S.?

millions!!!!!!!! muahahahahaha (M$ exec rubbing his hands)

No one's forced to anything, IMO, it's just that people don't read things. They just click around randomly until whatever it is they are seeing dissapears. One could argue MS should know that by know, and that is maybe what they do.

the truth is somewhere in the middle from what i have seen. i build pc's for a living and from my personal experience i can tell you that yes, ms doesnt force you to upgrade BUT they make it very difficult (for the average user) not to upgrade.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

Just an estimation: 1060 will be less powerful than custom RX480s and even a bit more expensive as well. Only pro for it will be its lower power consumption which tbh isn't a problem to cover when it's <200W nowadays. 290X vs 970 had a big diff in this factor indeed and nVidia milked 970s price. Now it will be no brain to get the most FPS/$ GPU no matter which it is. especially in this budget price lvl.

i dont think the 1060 will be less powerful than the 480, but i also dont think that it will be much more powerful, imo their difference will be in the 5-10% max on average. they are pretty well balanced these 2 cards when you take into account everything including power consumption (which people will take into account). the price will be the crucial factor, and on that front imo the 480 will be the better choice overall. there is also the lack of hw async for the 1060, but i dont think that for the next 1-2 years this will be a major issue.

 

[Ungari]

the price will be the crucial factor, and on that front imo the 480 will be the better choice overall. there is also the lack of hw async for the 1060, but i dont think that for the next 1-2 years this will be a major issue.

Yes, the lack of DX12 and Vulkan content has been a factor, as this is where Polaris architecture pushes these cards into the higher tier performance, where the RX 480 outshines even the GTX 980.
If there were some popular games that used the new APIs, you would see gamers having a stark comparison from which to make a choice to purchase these new cards.

 

[sutyi]

i dont think the 1060 will be less powerful than the 480, but i also dont think that it will be much more powerful, imo their difference will be in the 5-10% max on average. they are pretty well balanced these 2 cards when you take into account everything including power consumption (which people will take into account). the price will be the crucial factor, and on that front imo the 480 will be the better choice overall. there is also the lack of hw async for the 1060, but i dont think that for the next 1-2 years this will be a major issue.

To be honest Pascal only seems as a polished Maxwell on a smaller node. That is great for clocks and effiency, but might get lackluster in terms of longetivity due to the lack of support for advanced features.

DX12 and Vulkan are getting pretty good traction on the road that Mantle paved for them earlier. Also as more and more advanced features of these APIs will be used in the near future with (so far) console exclusive technologies getting ported over to the PC as well, the performance "balance" of current times might be tipped to the Red end of the scale.

Don't get me wrong I'm not visioning NV3x (GeForce FX) kind of a performance failage, but I have my concerns if I'm buying something the will hopefully provide me with 1080p gaming for the next 2 years maybe.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

To be honest Pascal only seems as a polished Maxwell on a smaller node. That is great for clocks and effiency, but might get lackluster in terms of longetivity due to the lack of support for advanced features.

DX12 and Vulkan are getting pretty good traction on the road that Mantle paved for them earlier. Also as more and more advanced features of these APIs will be used in the near future with (so far) console exclusive technologies getting ported over to the PC as well, the performance "balance" of current times might be tipped to the Red end of the scale.

Don't get me wrong I'm not visioning NV3x (GeForce FX) kind of a performance failage, but I have my concerns if I'm buying something the will hopefully provide me with 1080p gaming for the next 2 years maybe.

indeed! dx12 will be good for everyone though (maybe not for the overpricing habbit of nvidia), but overall i think that it will be good for them too because i think that it will ultimately expand the potential market. i imagine a world where an intel/amd igp and two amd+nvidia gpus working in tandem to give the best possible performance to the gamer. that would be nice imo and very cheap potentially while offering huge performance gains.

 

[BoyGenius]

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/07/nvidia-gtx-1060-specs-price-release-date/

As much as the RX 480 is a great card for the price, it can't touch the 1060 at least not in my opinion.
You do get more features with this GPU, you get 6GB Vram standard.
Lower power consumption, and a substantial speed increase over the RX 480 whilst being only 10 dollars more than the 8GB RX 480 variant.

GTX 980 performance for 250 dollars looks to be a real winner.

Those cards will not going to be available at $250. You can expect $300 or more as currently going with 1070 etc.
Also don't take performance figure provided by nvidia against RX 480 for granted. See the video below

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Those cards will not going to be available at $250. You can expect $300 or more as currently going with 1070 etc.
Also don't take performance figure provided by nvidia against RX 480 for granted. See the video below

Looking around the WebS its looking like this is ,as chalie D says ,not really a Gp106 I mean look up the gtx 1050 rumours and it looks like that's a real p106 and this is a heavily cut P104 plus nvidia apparently pulled the Gp106-300 out of the 1060 lineup to make it a 1050, all hearsay of course but interesting none the less ,well we will see how supply racks up and then hopefully how benches go, still think I chose wisely I am at near Gtx1080 @4k performance for less cash and miles more folding powers then pascal has muhahaha.

 

[tabascosauz]

Those cards will not going to be available at $250. You can expect $300 or more as currently going with 1070 etc.
Also don't take performance figure provided by nvidia against RX 480 for granted. See the video below

I don't see anything in that video that refutes Nvidia's numbers for the lead over the RX 480. The GTX 1060 maintains a comfortable (not insignificant, not substantial, but comfortable) lead over the RX 480, even in DX12 titles. Also, the title of the video is ridiculous; you either have leaked numbers, or you have official numbers. You can't have both. A leaked slide with Nvidia's logo on it is still leaked and not official until confirmed by an announcement by Nvidia itself.

There continues to be reference to the "RX 480's custom cards will be faster than GTX 1060", except RX 480 AIB cards are nowhere to be seen, only "pictured", yet the first custom cards for GTX 1060 have already been announced. I'm not one to go around trumpeting the superiority of Nvidia, but these are the facts.

I'm not expecting $250, nor am I expecting $300 or more. I am expecting whatever the market decides is the "right price". For those such as myself who run tight mITX builds, every bit of power consumption savings counts because every extra watt translates into heat (and from the temperature numbers off AMD's own RX 480 cooler, it doesn't look too pleasant for a card that's only supposed to be 150W TDP). If the best that AMD can offer me is a Sapphire 6-inch RX 480 that might or might not even be released, then damn right the GTX 1060 will be the better choice, what with Zotac's short card already announced, EVGA's coming up and Asus' DCM card most likely round the corner.

 

[FireFox]

RX 480 is a great card for the price,

 

[BoyGenius]

I don't see anything in that video that refutes Nvidia's numbers for the lead over the RX 480. The GTX 1060 maintains a comfortable (not insignificant, not substantial, but comfortable) lead over the RX 480, even in DX12 titles. Also, the title of the video is ridiculous; you either have leaked numbers, or you have official numbers. You can't have both. A leaked slide with Nvidia's logo on it is still leaked and not official until confirmed by an announcement by Nvidia itself.

There continues to be reference to the "RX 480's custom cards will be faster than GTX 1060", except RX 480 AIB cards are nowhere to be seen, only "pictured", yet the first custom cards for GTX 1060 have already been announced. I'm not one to go around trumpeting the superiority of Nvidia, but these are the facts.

I'm not expecting $250, nor am I expecting $300 or more. I am expecting whatever the market decides is the "right price". For those such as myself who run tight mITX builds, every bit of power consumption savings counts because every extra watt translates into heat (and from the temperature numbers off AMD's own RX 480 cooler, it doesn't look too pleasant for a card that's only supposed to be 150W TDP). If the best that AMD can offer me is a Sapphire 6-inch RX 480 that might or might not even be released, then damn right the GTX 1060 will be the better choice, what with Zotac's short card already announced, EVGA's coming up and Asus' DCM card most likely round the corner.

I posted the video so you can see that actual AMD RX480 results tend to differ from what is shown in those leak (can't comment on legitimacy of that). There was some 5-7% difference on RX 480 results to that slide.
Better to wait for TPU review and comparison & by that time we can really tell how much GTX 1060 will cost to us then a comparison can be made.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Better to wait for TPU review and comparison & by that time we can really tell how much GTX 1060 will cost to us then a comparison can be made.

Completely agree! People put too much faith in the numbers that BOTH red and green HQ put out. Frequently they are very overstated, or applicable in one situation.

Wait for reviews before making any pronouncements.