Doom4 with Vulcan is kicking ass

xkm1948 · Jul 13, 2016

Just tested DOOM4 with Vulkan vs OpenGL. at 1440P my average FPS went from avg 75 to avg 160. This is insane. How can one API change bring so much performance gain? Anyway I feel very happy that my FuryX is kicking even harder now.

ViperXTR · Jul 13, 2016

quite so for AMD indeed, not so much for us nvidia

Dethroy · Jul 13, 2016

Both the Fury X and the Nano have 4.096 ALUs and a bus width of 4.096 bit. That architecture is literally begging for async compute. The gains are certainly impressive! I wonder what Nvidia is planning to do since Asynchronous Compute and Asynchronous Shader Pipelines is AMD proprietary hardware IP...
Right now, all Nvidia can do, is emulate it on a software level. It'll be interesting to see if that software emulation will lead to higher FPS as soon as Nvidia supports "async compute" in Doom.

It's even more incredible how the Vulkan API handles CPU bottlenecks, though. PC Games Hardware tested an i7-5820K that they manually put to a lower power state @ 1.2GHz (in tandem with an overclocked Titan X @ 1500/4200). At a resolution of 1.280 x 720 w/o AA/AF this setup pulled 89 FPS running on OpenGL and 152 FPS (+71%) running on Vulkan

P4-630 · Jul 13, 2016

Got an nvidia card, as long as I'm getting a steady 60fps I'm a happy gamer

Nergal · Jul 13, 2016

Rx480 is competing(or at least in the same range) with 1070GTX at this point.
Is the image quality of Vulcan worse/same/better than openGL?

xkm1948 · Jul 13, 2016

Nergal said:
Rx480 is competing(or at least in the same range) with 1070GTX at this point.
Is the image quality of Vulcan worse/same/better than openGL?

As far as my eyes can tell I saw no difference. However everything is soooo smooth. The biggest change is the minimum FPS is constantly over 60 now.

kenkickr · Jul 13, 2016

This might move me to get a RX480 instead of the 1070 for my new build but I'm sure Nvidia will answer with driver "optimizations" so I'll wait some more.

Frick · Jul 13, 2016

kenkickr said:
This might move me to get a RX480 instead of the 1070 for my new build but I'm sure Nvidia will answer with driver "optimizations" so I'll wait some more.

That seems like a pretty bad idea, IMO. The GTX 1070 is massively faster than the RX480 in every single scenario so far, except this one. Even if DX12 boosts the RX480 it still won't be near the GTX1070. And the 1070 performs well in every game now.

xkm1948 · Jul 13, 2016

Agreed with Frick. 1070 is 2 tiers above RX480 price wise and performance wise.

Zubasa · Jul 13, 2016

Frick said:
That seems like a pretty bad idea, IMO. The GTX 1070 is massively faster than the RX480 in every single scenario so far, except this one. Even if DX12 boosts the RX480 it still won't be near the GTX1070. And the 1070 performs well in every game now.

Also Vulkan is a general performance improvement even for nVidia cards.

cdawall · Jul 13, 2016

Zubasa said:
Also Vulkan is a general performance improvement even for nVidia cards.

Barely any performance gain, openGL sucks as an API hence why even the NV cards get a gain with Vulkan. The AMD cards are built for async so this will be a trend and it will continue to exist. Expect the next gen of NV cards to be power whores, just reading the writing on the wall.

R-T-B · Jul 13, 2016

cdawall said:
Barely any performance gain, openGL sucks as an API hence why even the NV cards get a gain with Vulkan. The AMD cards are built for async so this will be a trend and it will continue to exist. Expect the next gen of NV cards to be power whores, just reading the writing on the wall.

You sure it isn't just that AMD sucks at OpenGL? Because they do. Have for a while (goes back to the ATI era).

The Mac · Jul 13, 2016

the hardware is fine, AMD just never bothered throwing any resources at the driver for OGL

so few games use it, it was pointless to waste the resources.

cdawall · Jul 14, 2016

R-T-B said:
You sure it isn't just that AMD sucks at OpenGL? Because they do. Have for a while (goes back to the ATI era).

No one said they didn't. They do however have a $200 midrange video card with in 10% of the 1070 with Vulcan though.

R-T-B · Jul 14, 2016

cdawall said:
No one said they didn't. They do however have a $200 midrange video card with in 10% of the 1070 with Vulcan though.

Fair point. Have a thanks.

I wonder what Nvidia is planning to do since Asynchronous Compute and Asynchronous Shader Pipelines is AMD proprietary hardware IP...

They certainly have the tech knowhow to implement it easily. I doubt any patent trouble will come since it's an open API standard and trying to stop them from implementing it would just be asking for trouble from courts.

Not to mention, NVIDIA has clever ways of getting around any AMD patents with their engineers, I am sure.

EdInk · Jul 16, 2016

P4-630 said:
Got an nvidia card, as long as I'm getting a steady 60fps I'm a happy gamer

I wish every one on both camps shared the same view.

System Name	Virtual Reality / Bioinformatics
Processor	Undead CPU
Motherboard	Undead TUF X99
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15
Memory	GSkill 128GB DDR4-3000
Video Card(s)	EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra
Storage	Samsung 960 Pro 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + WD Black 5TB
Display(s)	32'' 4K Dell
Case	Fractal Design R5
Audio Device(s)	BOSE 2.0
Power Supply	Seasonic 850watt
Mouse	Logitech Master MX
Keyboard	Corsair K70 Cherry MX Blue
VR HMD	HTC Vive + Oculus Quest 2
Software	Windows 10 P

System Name	Ultima
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
Motherboard	MSI Mag B550M Mortar
Cooling	Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 rev4 w/ Ryzen offset mount
Memory	G.SKill Ripjaws V 2x16GB DDR4 3600
Video Card(s)	Palit GeForce RTX 4070 12GB Dual
Storage	WD Black SN850X 2TB Gen4, Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500GB , 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD sata,
Display(s)	ASUS TUF VG249Q3A 24" 1080p 165-180Hz VRR
Case	DarkFlash DLM21 Mesh
Audio Device(s)	Onboard Realtek ALC1200 Audio/Nvidia HD Audio
Power Supply	Corsair RM650
Mouse	Steelseries Rival 3 Wireless \| Wacom Intuos CTH-480
Keyboard	A4Tech B314 Keyboard
Software	Windows 10 Pro

System Name	Perf/price king /w focus on low noise and TDP
Processor	Intel Xeon E3-1230 v2
Motherboard	Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H
Cooling	Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A (BW)
Memory	16GB Corsair Vengeance LP Black
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte GTX 670 OC
Storage	525GB Crucial MX300 & 256GB Samsung 830 Series
Display(s)	Home: LG 29UB65-P & Work: LG 34UB88-B
Case	Fractal Design Arc Mini
Audio Device(s)	Asus Xonar Essence STX /w Sennheiser HD 598
Power Supply	be quiet! Straight Power CM E9 80+ Gold 480W
Mouse	Roccat Kone XTD optical
Keyboard	SteelSeries Apex M500
Software	Win10

System Name	AlderLake / Laptop
Processor	Intel i7 12700K P-Cores @ 5Ghz / Intel i3 7100U
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master / HP 83A3 (U3E1)
Cooling	Noctua NH-U12A 2 fans + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme + 5 case fans / Fan
Memory	32GB DDR5 Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6000MHz CL36 / 8GB DDR4 HyperX CL13
Video Card(s)	MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio / Intel HD620
Storage	Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Evo 500GB + 850 Pro 512GB + 860 Evo 1TB x2 / Samsung 256GB M.2 SSD
Display(s)	23.8" Dell S2417DG 165Hz G-Sync 1440p / 14" 1080p IPS Glossy
Case	Be quiet! Silent Base 600 - Window / HP Pavilion
Audio Device(s)	Panasonic SA-PMX94 / Realtek onboard + B&O speaker system / Harman Kardon Go + Play / Logitech G533
Power Supply	Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750W / Powerbrick
Mouse	Logitech MX Anywhere 2 Laser wireless / Logitech M330 wireless
Keyboard	RAPOO E9270P Black 5GHz wireless / HP backlit
Software	Windows 11 / Windows 10
Benchmark Scores	Cinebench R23 (Single Core) 1936 @ stock Cinebench R23 (Multi Core) 23006 @ stock

Processor	I7-6700
Motherboard	ASRock Z170 Pro4S
Cooling	2*120mm
Memory	G.Skill D416GB 3200-14 Trident Z K2 GSK
Video Card(s)	Rx480 Sapphire
Storage	SSD Samsung 256GB 850 pro + bunch of TB
Case	Antec
Audio Device(s)	Creative Sound Blaster Z
Power Supply	be quit 900W
Mouse	Logitech G5
Keyboard	Logitech G11

Doom4 with Vulcan is kicking ass

xkm1948

ViperXTR

Dethroy

P4-630

Nergal

xkm1948

kenkickr

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop

xkm1948

Zubasa

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

R-T-B

The Mac

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

R-T-B

EdInk

System Name	Addison Clark
Processor	Ryzen 9 7950x3D delid
Motherboard	Asus X670E Hero
Cooling	Custom Bykski loop CPU, GPU, 2x 360 rads, and 1x 280 rad with Arctic P12 and P14 ARGB fans
Memory	G.Skill DDR5-6000 64GB CL30
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte 4090 Aorus Master
Storage	Kingston Fury 2TB and 4TB NVME
Display(s)	Samsung 57"
Case	Lian Li O11 mini
Audio Device(s)	Onboard
Power Supply	Thermaltake 1000w SFX-L
Mouse	Corsair Dark Core RGB SE
Keyboard	Corsair K95 Platnium
Software	Win 11 Pro

System Name	Black MC in Tokyo
Processor	Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard	Asrock B450M-HDV
Cooling	Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory	2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz
Video Card(s)	XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage	Kingston A400 240GB \| WD Black SN750 2TB \|WD Blue 1TB x 2 \| Toshiba P300 2TB \| Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s)	Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case	Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s)	Line6 UX1 + some headphones, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply	Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse	Logitech G602
Keyboard	Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown
VR HMD	Acer Mixed Reality Headset
Software	Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores	Rimworld 4K ready!

Processor	Core i7-12700k
Motherboard	Z690 Aero G D4
Cooling	Custom loop water, 3x 420 Rad
Video Card(s)	RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming
Storage	Plextor M10P 2TB
Display(s)	InnoCN 27M2V
Case	Thermaltake Level 20 XT
Audio Device(s)	Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
Power Supply	FSP Aurum PT 1200W
Software	Windows 11 Pro 64-bit

System Name	All the cores
Processor	2990WX
Motherboard	Asrock X399M
Cooling	CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL
Memory	4x16GB G.Skill 3600
Video Card(s)	(2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's
Storage	2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB
Display(s)	Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz
Case	Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal
Audio Device(s)	Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply	Seasonic Prime 1200w
Mouse	Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller
Keyboard	Keychron K8
Software	W10P

System Name	Pioneer
Processor	Ryzen R9 7950X
Motherboard	GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory	64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s)	XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage	2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s)	55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case	Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s)	TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply	FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse	Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard	WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches
Software	Windows 11 Enterprise (legit), Gentoo Linux x64

System Name	Main rig
Processor	Intel i7-4790K Devils Canyon
Motherboard	Asus Z97-A
Cooling	Antec Kuhler 620
Memory	16GB Corsair Vengence Pro
Video Card(s)	Sapphire R9-290 Vapor-X
Storage	Samsung 840 EVO 1TB
Case	Corsair 600T
Audio Device(s)	Sound Blaster X-FI HD Platinum
Power Supply	Corsair AX750 Gold

System Name	Full LC'd Node 202 \|\| Asus X202e
Processor	i7-7700K \|\| i3-2365M
Motherboard	Asus Z270I \|\| HM76 int.
Cooling	Full Custom Loop\|\| Stock
Memory	Hyper Fury DDR4 32GB \|\| 4GB 1333
Video Card(s)	GTX 1080 FE \|\| HD3000
Storage	950 Pro M.2 +WD 2TB M.2 SSD \|\| Sandisk 256 SSD
Display(s)	Asus MG278Q
Case	Fractal Node 202
Audio Device(s)	OnBoard
Power Supply	Corsair SF600
Mouse	Logitech G502 \|\|Asus WT710
Keyboard	Logitech G410 \|\| Logitech K830
Software	Windows 10 Pro