MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6 GB

[silkstone]

Nope. There is $10/yr just at idle. My computer is always on because it's always doing something. Watch a couple hours of video a day (use a projector for movies so multi), game 1 hour or so, it adds up. If it was only while gaming it would be trivial for me.

Multi or single monitor?

Are you accounting for when the monitors go to sleep?

You have to be using a multi-monitor setup for about 8 hours a day (active monitors) for that to add up to $20/yr. And hell, if you use a projector to watch movies, you have other power concerns, surely?

I'm not dismissing your concerns. I use multi-monitor for an average of 6 hrs a day. Hell, i wouldn't be surprised if my setup cost an extra $10 a month. I'm just dubious that it will affect the average consumer.

 

[N3M3515]

So where is DOOM (Vulkan) benchmark? AotS DX12? Hitman DX12? Total War: Warhammer DX12?

This.

And nobody pointing out the fact that this thing costs $40 more than stock for a 2% increase in perf?
Well i guess it's the cooler...

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

So where is DOOM (Vulkan) benchmark? AotS DX12? Hitman DX12? Total War: Warhammer DX12?

Doom OpenGL 1060 wins, Vulkan rx480 wins. Aots dx12, they are on par, 1 fps difference. Hitman dx 12, the rx480 wins. Total War, 1060 wins.

 

[Dimi]

Well according to the Palit 1060 review on Guru3D the 1060 beats the RX480 in the latest Time Spy benchmark in DX12 and Asynchronous Compute by about 8-9%.

Also the fact that you can order these AFTERMARKET 1060's (angry fists at AMD) on newegg for 249$ i'd say this card beats the AMD rival.

 

[john_]

I agree with the part I have quoted, as for the 4Gb version of the RX480, i believe it is no longer available so it would be pointless including it in charts.

Yes it is
Radeon RX 480 | OVERCLOCKERS UK
And in US probably there are as much available as $249 GTX 1060s.
Also in performance per dollar you will also find for example Kepler cards. Did you noticed @W1zzard feeling the need to remove those cards because they are not sold anymore?

Doom OpenGL 1060 wins, Vulkan rx480 wins. Aots dx12, they are on par, 1 fps difference. Hitman dx 12, the rx480 wins. Total War, 1060 wins.

Doom OpenGL is NOT an option for cards that support Vulkan. No one will run the game with OpenGl if the Vulkan option is there to choose.
In Total War RX 480 wins

GeForce GTX 1060 Review - DX12: Total War: WARHAMMER

 

[ZoneDymo]

Multi or single monitor?

Are you accounting for when the monitors go to sleep?

You have to be using a multi-monitor setup for about 8 hours a day (active monitors) for that to add up to $20/yr. And hell, if you use a projector to watch movies, you have other power concerns, surely?

I'm not dismissing your concerns. I use multi-monitor for an average of 6 hrs a day. Hell, i wouldn't be surprised if my setup cost an extra $10 a month. I'm just dubious that it will affect the average consumer.

Ultimately what he is just saying is that the GTX1060 would be a better investment from the looks of things now.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Also the fact that you can order these AFTERMARKET 1060's (angry fists at AMD) on newegg for 249$ i'd say this card beats the AMD rival.

Since we're in the MSI AFTERMARKET thread, which part of $289 did you miss?

So far, one non-FE card is $249, which is still more than RX 480. And don't discount the $329 STRIX version, which is ludicrous.

 

[john_]

Since we're in the MSI AFTERMARKET thread, which part of $289 did you miss?

So far, one non-FE card is $249, which is still more than RX 480. And don't discount the $329 STRIX version, which is ludicrous.

That Gigabyte is not available. I wonder if it ever was. Maybe 10 pieces that ended in NewEgg's employees' hands, one second before the card become available online.

 

[silkstone]

Ultimately what he is just saying is that the GTX1060 would be a better investment from the looks of things now.

I think that the edge where DX12 is concerned, not that it matters today. For a lot of people the final price is going to be the biggest factor, and I wouldn't consider ~40 watts a deal-breaker unless I were super power-conscious.

 

[john_]

Well, Doom numbers are fun

 

[birdie]

IMO the card is decent but slightly overpriced but then I understand why NVIDIA didn't go with lower prices - they don't really compete with the RX 480. Also I do not understand at all why NVIDIA decided to go without SLI this time. Are they preparing the GTX 1060 Ti? But it doesn't make any sense - the GTX 1060 is a full chip.

<rant on>
I wonder how on Earth WCCFTech AMD cancer spreads everywhere. Could God please limit it to WCCFTech? Currently there are barely two native DX12 titles (AoS is more a tech demo than a game), why the #### are you hellbent on seeing them here?

Secondly, "if your GPU supports OpenGL and Vulkan you must run Vulkan" - why must?? if NVIDIA's OpenGL implementation in this game is miles better than AMD's, so only AMD chips gain substantially from using Vulkan which was modeled after Mantle which was created after the GCN architecture.

Do you know any other graphics API which was modeled after NVIDIA's previous GPU archs? You don't? So, why is all this madness with async compute/Vulkan/DX12 going on unabated on WCCFTech/Overclockers.uk/etc. etc. etc.?

You don't buy a GPU to run future yet to be developed games.
You don't buy a GPU thinking its new drivers will provide a substantially increased performance - it rarely happens and if it does, gains are minimal.
You should understand that most game developers develop games with the most popular GPUs in mind - at the moment it seems like you must be mad to ignore millions of GTX860/970, soon to be followed by GTX1060/1070.

You buy a GPU to have a desired FPS in currently released games for ####'s sake.
</rant off>

 

[the54thvoid]

It's a little bit funny to watch people crying.

Dry your tears - it's better in AotS (and it doesn't even do Async)

 

[nickbaldwin86]

Just think if you could SLi this... the performance would be amazing! for $500

 

[john_]

IMO the card is decent but slightly overpriced but then I understand why NVIDIA didn't go with lower prices - they don't really compete with the RX 480. Also I do not understand at all why NVIDIA decided to go without SLI this time. Are they preparing the GTX 1060 Ti? But it doesn't make any sense - the GTX 1060 is a full chip.

<rant on>
I wonder how on Earth WCCFTech AMD cancer spreads everywhere. Could God please limit it to WCCFTech? Currently there are barely two native DX12 titles (AoS is more a tech demo than a game), why the #### are you hellbent on seeing them here?

Secondly, "if your GPU supports OpenGL and Vulkan you must run Vulkan" - why must?? if NVIDIA's OpenGL implementation in this game is miles better than AMD's, so only AMD chips gain substantially from using Vulkan which was modeled after Mantle which was created after the GCN architecture.

Do you know any other graphics API which was modeled after NVIDIA's previous GPU archs? You don't? So, why is all this madness with async compute/Vulkan/DX12 going on unabated on WCCFTech/Overclockers.uk/etc. etc. etc.?

You don't buy a GPU to run future yet to be developed games.
You don't buy a GPU thinking its new drivers will provide a substantially increased performance - it rarely happens and if it does, gains are minimal.
You should understand that most game developers develop games with the most popular GPUs in mind - at the moment it seems like you must be mad to ignore millions of GTX860/970, soon to be followed by GTX1060/1070.

You buy a GPU to have a desired FPS in currently released games for ####'s sake.
</rant off>

GTX 1060 doesn't have SLI because

1) Nvidia doesn't want to see GTX 1080 sales dropping with people choosing two 1060 for much less
2) If it doesn't have enough GPUs from TSMC Nvidia does have one more reason to limit, in a way, 1060 cards to 1 per person.

About that cancer thing. In a forum you will also read opinions you don't like. The alternative is the forum at geforce.com I guess.

About APIs. When Nvidia was first with DX10 GPUs no one was saying that this was unfair to ATI. Everyone was saying that ATI was late. If Nvidia is late in supporting some DX12 features, it's not unfair to comment about it. And when you have two APIs and the one is more modern and performs better you choose it. If you have two parallel roads, one dirt road and one asphalt road, you will go from the asphalt road. Yes Nvidia cards are like 4x4 and can run on dirt road as fast as on the asphalt road, still the logic says to take the asphalt road.

The madness about async and newer APIs is that they offer better performance and it's also about moving forward. And based on Steam survey people DO move forward.



You are wrong in your last part of your post. You don't buy a card to just play games today. People don't usually change their graphics cards every 6 months. That's why in those last years we are keep reading again and again about how the PC market is shrinking. So before INVESTING $200-$800, you should also consider how much time your investment will be returning it's value to you.

And the most popular GPUs right now are the Intel iGPUs.

Anyway, no reason to start a debate. Let's just say that we disagree if you think that I am wrong.

 

[silkstone]

I agree with your points on current games and driver (though you didn't mention price), but not this.

You should understand that most game developers develop games with the most popular GPUs in mind - at the moment it seems like you must be mad to ignore millions of GTX860/970, soon to be followed by GTX1060/1070.

Aren't there a fair few games developed initially for the PS/Xbox that utilize AMD hardware?

 

[the54thvoid]

I was also going to post...

"ah ha hha haa ha hah ha ha ha h ahhaha haa haa haaah haa"

But felt it wouldn't help the atmosphere in here.

 

[dwade]

Moar games in the test please! Total War: Warhammer and moar DX12 titles to see how the GTX 1060 fares against the RX 480. DX12 is now and the future!

 

[overlord]

IMO the card is decent but slightly overpriced but then I understand why NVIDIA didn't go with lower prices - they don't really compete with the RX 480. Also I do not understand at all why NVIDIA decided to go without SLI this time. Are they preparing the GTX 1060 Ti? But it doesn't make any sense - the GTX 1060 is a full chip.

<rant on>
I wonder how on Earth WCCFTech AMD cancer spreads everywhere. Could God please limit it to WCCFTech? Currently there are barely two native DX12 titles (AoS is more a tech demo than a game), why the #### are you hellbent on seeing them here?

Secondly, "if your GPU supports OpenGL and Vulkan you must run Vulkan" - why must?? if NVIDIA's OpenGL implementation in this game is miles better than AMD's, so only AMD chips gain substantially from using Vulkan which was modeled after Mantle which was created after the GCN architecture.

Do you know any other graphics API which was modeled after NVIDIA's previous GPU archs? You don't? So, why is all this madness with async compute/Vulkan/DX12 going on unabated on WCCFTech/Overclockers.uk/etc. etc. etc.?

You don't buy a GPU to run future yet to be developed games.
You don't buy a GPU thinking its new drivers will provide a substantially increased performance - it rarely happens and if it does, gains are minimal.
You should understand that most game developers develop games with the most popular GPUs in mind - at the moment it seems like you must be mad to ignore millions of GTX860/970, soon to be followed by GTX1060/1070.

You buy a GPU to have a desired FPS in currently released games for ####'s sake.

Lol Next you'll suggest people keep buying dual core Pentiums based on single threaded performance just when everything goes Multithreaded!

 

[rtwjunkie]

I was also going to post...

"ah ha hha haa ha hah ha ha ha h ahhaha haa haa haaah haa"

But felt it wouldn't help the atmosphere in here.

Have you signed up today to be the resident Troll?

Seriously, I don't see anything wrong with the atmosphere. I'm upset because I wish I had not been right when I said the MSRP would be an NVIDIA fiction. Other than that I think most people are impressed with it, even those that don't want it.

Unless I'm reading it all wrong...

 

[YouToo]

Really nice review! Having a low budget the 1060 seems to be the best bang for the buck at the moment. I wonder how MSI's basic version "6GT OC" compares to this one, being ~$82 cheaper than the "Gaming X" in my country. I know it doesn't have a backplate and the fans look cheaper but still, such a price difference.

 

[birdie]

The madness about async and newer APIs is that they offer better performance and it's also about moving forward.

I have yet to see those magical games which run significantly better with async and newer APIs. GTX 1060 is on par with RX 480 in AoS. In Doom AMD GPUs run faster with Vulkan, because AMD's OpenGL implementation is not of a very good quality. I have yet to see any DX12/Vulkan games which offer a substantially improved graphics over DX11/OpenGL 4.5 games. In some games DX12 was an afterthought so those games run better without it.

I'm not against DX12/async computer/etc. I'm against the idiots who base their purchasing decisions based on the other idiots' opinions about the things they do not understand at all. Among all the readers of WCCFtech/TPU there is barely a handful of people who understand these things fully but they usually choose to remain silent.

DX12/Vulkan games are hellishly difficult to develop and debug (it's like going from Java to assembler), yet most people are under the impression that DX12 is the only way forward. It's not. In the years to come most games will be based on DX11/DX9/OpenGL. Also proper DX12 games need to be written from scratch, not ported. Also DX12 doesn't bring increased performance in all cases by default.

 

[rtwjunkie]

DX12/Vulkan games are hellishly difficult to develop and debug (it's like going from Java to assembler), yet most people are under the impression that DX12 is the only way forward. It's not. In the years to come most games will be based on DX11/DX9/OpenGL. Also proper DX12 games need to be written from scratch, not ported. Also DX12 doesn't bring increased performance in all cases by default.

I have to agree with this. I don't know why so many people assume DX12 is all we will see going forward. DX11 games will equal or outnumber for awhile.

 

[the54thvoid]

Have you signed up today to be the resident Troll?

Seriously, I don't see anything wrong with the atmosphere. I'm upset because I wish I had not been right when I said the MSRP would be an NVIDIA fiction. Other than that I think most people are impressed with it, even those that don't want it.

Unless I'm reading it all wrong...

I'm standing in for @Fluffmeister.

But seriously, it's amusing to see people falling over themselves to find faults with a card that plays the vast majority of today's games at a great level at a good price. It's great it's the same price in the UK as the RX 480 and it's great it overclocks highly as well - in some cases close to stock 980ti... eh, hold on... That was the hype about the RX480.

TBH, I have no interest in these cards (or overpriced 1080's). I need AMD's Vega top chip to be the dogs bollocks. Otherwise I'll be getting bottom banged by Nvidia's GP102 pricing.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Great card, really. AMD, I hate to say it, but you have to step up your game.

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

Remember we can use dx11 in dx12 game. And with my perfect eyes, I don't see any graphic quality difference between dx11 and dx12.