Neptune-sized planet dubbed 'Planet X' DOES exist beyond Pluto (POLL ADDED)

[qubit]

Personally, I think we are better off focusing on planets we can reach and colonize.

We've got three of them, Luna, Mars, and Venus.

Can't colonize Venus: surface temperature of about 450C. Moon and Mars maybe one day.

 

[dorsetknob]

Can't colonize Venus: surface temperate of about 450C.

don't forget that Sulphuric Acid Rain
Great for Growing your Crops (not)

 

[Ferrum Master]

Still the point should be about when we start to describe some piece of rock as a planet.

It looks more like a simple hunt for fame.

 

[alucasa]

Can't colonize Venus: surface temperature of about 450C. Moon and Mars maybe one day.

I feel Venus is a strong possibility. The problem is amount of efforts (and money) required. From my childhood, I've longed for ideas to colonize Venus but the efforts required to even attempt is enormous. But Venus has far more potential to be Earth-like than current Mars.

 

[Drone]

Colonizing Venus isn't feasible/possible. Perhaps, just perhaps 2-3 billion years ago when Sun's brightness was weaker it could've been done but not today. That thick atmosphere and UV will kick everyone's ass.

 

[qubit]

I feel Venus is a strong possibility. The problem is amount of efforts (and money) required. From my childhood, I've longed for ideas to colonize Venus but the efforts required to even attempt is enormous. But Venus has far more potential to be Earth-like than current Mars.

Honestly, it really isn't. It would require some far future technology that we can't even think of yet, if it's at all possible and even then would likely just not be worth it. Check out this blog post about it:

http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/how-venus-will-kill-you-in-less-than-10-seconds.html

 

[alucasa]

Tackling Venus is all about tackling atmosphere first and foremost. That's the hardest part. A space station would be needed there as a base of operation and it'd take generations. But once the atmosphere is lessened, Venus will open itself.

 

[dorsetknob]

Tackling Venus is all about tackling atmosphere first and foremost. That's the hardest part. A space station would be needed there as a base of operation and it'd take generations. But once the atmosphere is lessened, Venus will open itself.

What you speculate here is Pie in the Venus Atmosphere job
Sulpher dioxide Atmosphere = Sulfuric Acid = Eaten by ACID

For less Cost You could Build 10 Domed Colony's on Mars and a Further Domed Outpost on Vesta and or Ceres ( for Asteroid mining ).
Colonizing Mars is Feasible in the NEAR FUTURE
Venus is a 1000 year pipedream

 

[qubit]

Tackling Venus is all about tackling atmosphere first and foremost. That's the hardest part. A space station would be needed there as a base of operation and it'd take generations. But once the atmosphere is lessened, Venus will open itself.

Even if you can somehow get the temperature down to earth levels, which I doubt, how are you going to deal with the 90 atmosphere pressure of its atmosphere? No spacesuit could possibly stand that, even if a habitat somehow could. I doubt it could resist it indefinitely either. Perhaps something underground might just about be feasible. How you build it in the first place is another matter of course...

 

[dorsetknob]

How you build it in the first place is another matter of course...

with ref to other in this Thread
They Seem to lack an understanding of Basic Engineering. (but not you @qubit )

If You want to look at it another way lets Go Rovers

How Many have been built and landed on Mars how long did they work /last ???
How Many have been built and landed on the Moon how long did they work /last ???
and
How Many have been built and landed on Venus how long did they work /last ???

PS here is some ADVANCED READING for some of you

 

[alucasa]

Terraforming an entire planet of such a size is not going to be done by an organization's budget. A nation's budget isn't going to be enough, either.

Only when Earth as whole work together toward it, it's going to happen which unfortunately not going to happen in our lifespan probably. This is going to be possible only when money aspect is thrown out of arguement.

 

[Drone]

Sonic seems to facepalm a lot these days

Solar System could be thrown into disaster when the Sun dies if the mysterious ‘Planet IX’ exists, according to research from the University of Warwick.


When the Sun starts to die in ~ 7 billion years, it will blow away half of its own mass and inflate itself — swallowing the Earth — before fading into an ember known as a white dwarf. This mass ejection will push Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune out to what was assumed a safe distance.

The existence of a distant massive planet could fundamentally change the fate of the Solar System. Uranus and Neptune in particular may no longer be safe from the death throes of the Sun.

Planet IX might be thrust inward into a death dance with the Solar System's 4 known giant planets — most notably Uranus and Neptune. The most likely result is ejection from the solar system, forever.

The fate of the Solar System would depend on the mass and orbital properties of Planet IX, if it exists. The further away and the more massive the planet is, the higher the chance that the Solar System will experience a violent future.

 

[Drone]

A new dwarf planet has been discovered hanging out in the far reaches of our solar system. Called 2014 UZ224, the celestial orb makes a full circle every 1100 years.

 

[alucasa]

We know virtually nothing beyond Jupiter. So, anything is possible. And I bet my virtual balls (aka epeen) that there are tons of things beyond Pluto.

 

[dorsetknob]

Doh By the definitions Agreed by the IAU its not a dwarf or Minor Planet ( requires a Spheroid Shape with a Dia of Approx 700 miles )
At Best its A KBO only

never going to be planet 9 ( thats Pluto ) never going to be Planet 10 Either it is not a Planet

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I think they should call that ice giant an extra-planar planet--something to distinguish that its orbit is not on the same plane as the majority of other planets.

 

[dorsetknob]

I think they should call that ice giant an extra-planar planet--something to distinguish that its orbit is not on the same plane as the majority of other planets.

Again Diameter 420 km not an Ice Giant not a Planet (Major or dwarf ) its a KBO

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I was talking about Planet IX which has a minimum radius of 8000 miles.

 

[dorsetknob]

I was talking about Planet IX which has a minimum radius of 8000 miles.

"Not Proved to exist" Sorry your Being mislead its So Called Existence is Pure Speculation at the moment
AND IF YOUR GOING TO ARGUE DIFFERENT PROVIDE PROOF

 

[FordGT90Concept]

You're still talking about Planet X, not Planet IX. The search is still on for Planet IX because it would explain Planet X's (which are now considered planetoids) orbit pattern.

Edit: The existence of Planet IX is at least 68.3% (others claim as high as 90%).

On the day before the press announcement on Planet Nine, Laughlin told me that he was feeling nervous. “I’m worried whether it’s out there,” he said. “This morning, I was having trouble focussing on the task at hand. My thoughts were being drawn to this massive, frigid object in the outer solar system that might or might not be there.” He added, “I believe there’s a 68.3 per cent chance that it’s there. That’s the perfect frustratingly plausible yet not-assured chance. It’s perfectly tuned for maximum mystery and a heightened sense of possibility.” Do we not all feel the tug of some distant, eccentric perturber? Give it a name: God, mathematics, a parent, a child; the search for truth, or peace, or beauty. “We haven’t seen it,” Brown said of Planet Nine. “But we have felt it.”

 

[dorsetknob]

Speculation is still speculation does not matter if its 1% or 99% speculation
!00% proof Ends any Speculation
"Nuff Said"

 

[TheGuruStud]

Not called a planet b/c of its extreme orbit.

 

[Drone]

requires a Spheroid Shape with a Dia of Approx 700 miles

2014 UZ224 is most likely oblate spheroid, at least it's not prolate lol. Here they say that ~ 500 km is already enough to be called a dwarf planet. This guy's diameter isn't known yet. Based on Dark Energy Survey its diameter could be anywhere from 350 to about 1200 km

 

[dorsetknob]

Quote from
http://phys.org/news/2016-04-planet.html

The researchers also checked if their results explain why planet 9 hasn't been detected by telescopes so far. They calculated the brightness of smaller and bigger planets on various orbits. They conclude that the sky surveys performed in the past had only a small chance to detect an object with a mass of 20 Earth masses or less, especially if it is near the farthest point of its orbit around the Sun. But NASA's

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-04-planet.html#jCp

Respected site and they say my in red highlight

The researchers also checked if their results explain why planet 9 hasn't been detected by telescopes so far.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Speculation is still speculation does not matter if its 1% or 99% speculation
!00% proof Ends any Speculation
"Nuff Said"

“The atom can't be seen, yet its existence can be proved. And it is simple to prove that it can't ever be seen. It has to be studied by indirect evidence — and the technical difficulty has been compared to asking a man who has never seen a piano to describe a piano from the sound it would make falling downstairs in the dark.”

― Carl David Anderson​

The Large Synoptic Survey Telescope might find it when construction completes (2019).

Not called a planet b/c of its extreme orbit.

planet = orbit + mass


It always boggled my mind how our solar system is relatively orderly when there's not much reason for it. A rebel makes sense. XD