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4K Stop-gap Card - R9 Fury?

Which card for temporary 4K at mixed settings?

  • R9 Fury for $300

    Votes: 12 41.4%
  • Used 980 Ti for $350

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • GTX 1070 for $420

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Wait it out with the 780 Ti's

    Votes: 12 41.4%

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With the news that Vega won't be releasing until 1H 2017, and the 1080 Ti nowhere on the horizon, I've decided to buy a stop-gap card to replace my 780 Ti's until I do a rebuild in 2017. The 780 Ti's perform relatively well, but they run out of Vram quickly and I have to depend on SLI. It seems I can get a new R9 Fury for ~$300 USD. I like the idea of an AMD card since my monitor supports Freesync at 40-60Hz. The price is quite nice as well. The downsides of the Fury are the limited Vram and possibly lackluster performance, but I may be able to unlock some cores. Other options are a used 980 Ti, which seems to run $350 to $400 USD, or a 1070 for around $420. I have a $100 eBay gift card so will be purchasing there. I intend to play with mixed settings at 60Hz. I generally play older games, but would like good performance in Fallout 4, Skyrim Enhanced(when it releases), and GTAV.

All thoughts and suggestions welcome. Thank you for your time.
 
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My vote is the R9 Fury mostly because your monitor supports Freesync. It will help keep things smoother in game so I believe its a good decision since you are waiting on new cards and its the cheapest.

As far as Ram goes, yeah its definitely a bit on the low side (Even though its HBM) but its only a stop gap so I would not fret over it to much.
 
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My vote is the R9 Fury mostly because your monitor supports Freesync. It will help keep things smoother in game so I believe its a good decision since you are waiting on new cards and its the cheapest.

As far as Ram goes, yeah its definitely a bit on the low side (Even though its HBM) but its only a stop gap so I would not fret over it to much.
Pretty much my feelings exactly. The card will be replaced once AMD and nVidia release their big guns, so the cheapest option is the most attractive. If I sell my 780 Ti's I can probably recoup the $200 out of pocket I'll be spending. I realize there will be a performance hit in games that have really good SLI profiles, but in games with mediocre profiles I should get the same or better performance with the benefit of FreeSync.
 
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I voted to wait it out. It makes no sence to me to buy something you will replace with a even more expensive thing in less than 6 months. It your money your decision.
 

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@Ralfies Why would you want to got from nvidia to amd? nvidia have a proven track record of making excellent graphics cards that just work, as you've seen, while amd's are not so good, especially with framerate and noise. 3D features are not that great from what I hear, either. Let amd prove themselves first.

Anyway, I've just upgraded from a 780 TI SLI (MSI Gaming) to a Palit GameRock GTX 1080 with G-Panel (not showing in specs yet) and can report the following: performance is slightly better than the SLI cards and has no issues with vram, plus it's supremely quiet (triple slot). Almost zero coil and fan noise when working flat out. Amazing. The price for the basic version without G-Panel is only £600 in the UK as well.

I think overall wait it out. I don't think the 1080 Ti will be too long now and will have much better performance than a 1080, so you can decide if the price and performance are right for you when the reviews come out. I guesstimate the price to be around £900, which is too expensive for me for a graphics card.

The 1080 does 4K pretty well, too. Just reduce settings a bit where the framerate drops too much.

Another thing you should know about is nvidia's new vsync feature called Fast. This allows the card to render as fast as it can without screen tearing and minimum lag. This feature is so good that I use it for everything now and in my opinion is a bit of a killer feature. Note that it's only available on the latest Pascal generation cards.
 
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My vote is the R9 Fury mostly because your monitor supports Freesync. It will help keep things smoother in game so I believe its a good decision since you are waiting on new cards and its the cheapest.

As far as Ram goes, yeah its definitely a bit on the low side (Even though its HBM) but its only a stop gap so I would not fret over it to much.

A Nano might suffice in this situation even
 
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I voted to wait it out. It makes no sence to me to buy something you will replace with a even more expensive thing in less than 6 months. It your money your decision.
Waiting it out is certainly the most pragmatic thing to do. I'll admit I have an upgrade itch to scratch, so I'm not being the most patient.
@Ralfies Why would you want to got from nvidia to amd? nvidia have a proven track record of making excellent graphics cards that just work, as you've seen, while amd's are not so good, especially with framerate and noise. 3D features are not that great from what I hear, either. Let amd prove themselves first.

Anyway, I've just upgraded from a 780 TI SLI (MSI Gaming) to a Palit GameRock GTX 1080 with G-Panel (not showing in specs yet) and can report the following: performance is slightly better than the SLI cards and has no issues with vram, plus it's supremely quiet (triple slot). Almost zero coil and fan noise when working flat out. Amazing. The price for the basic version without G-Panel is only £600 in the UK as well.

I think overall wait it out. I don't think the 1080 Ti will be too long now and will have much better performance than a 1080, so you can decide if the price and performance are right for you when the reviews come out. I guesstimate the price to be around £900, which is too expensive for me for a graphics card.

The 1080 does 4K pretty well, too. Just reduce settings a bit where the framerate drops too much.

Another thing you should know about is nvidia's new vsync feature called Fast. This allows the card to render as fast as it can without screen tearing and minimum lag. This feature is so good that I use it for everything now and in my opinion is a bit of a killer feature. Note that it's only available on the latest Pascal generation cards.

I've had good experiences with both vendors, so brand isn't really a concern to me. You could call this purchase a testing of the waters to see if I want to go AMD or nVidia when the big guns come out. I also want to give FreeSync a try. It's disappointing to hear performance of the 1080 is only slightly better than 780 Ti SLI, but that just solidifies that I need to wait for the flagships.

A Nano might suffice in this situation even
Nano's are more expensive than the R9 Fury and have a little less performance than I'm looking for.
 

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Waiting it out is certainly the most pragmatic thing to do. I'll admit I have an upgrade itch to scratch, so I'm not being the most patient.


I've had good experiences with both vendors, so brand isn't really a concern to me. You could call this purchase a testing of the waters to see if I want to go AMD or nVidia when the big guns come out. I also want to give FreeSync a try. It's disappointing to hear performance of the 1080 is only slightly better than 780 Ti SLI, but that just solidifies that I need to wait for the flagships.


Nano's are more expensive than the R9 Fury and have a little less performance than I'm looking for.

Well for 300 a fury is a steal. Id go for it.
 
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I've had 7 Fiji cards, reason was I wasn't losing any £ disposing of them after I'd had my time with them finding the best OC'ing card.

A Fury performs pretty close to a Fury X. A Fury unlocked to 3840 SP will perform virtually identical as a genuine Fury X with 4096 SP from FRAPS tests I did; I would say the "gap" is so close it's like the "run to run" variance you would see when benching same card with same load. In a nut shell Fury Tri-X have the highest chance of unlocks, Nitro very rare to unlock at all, the rest are "hit'n'miss" of an intermediate % of those 2. Most will unlock to 3840 SP, 4096 SP unlock is lower chance, I'd say as much as unlock to 3776 SP only as well. Out of the 7 cards I had all reached upto 1100MHz (+/- 20MHz), only 2 reached 1135 or 1145. This was with +50mV MAX to keep testing same, stock cooler/TIM and all were subjected to 3hrs each 3DM FS / Heaven / Valley loops and some gaming plus min 12hrs max 48hrs continuous f@h for OC stability. HBM OC'ing has very little impact on performance gain, much less than what I saw with GDDR when comparing % of OC to gain.

As I was in a position not to lose money on the Fury X I kept, I was tempted at one point to get a 980 Ti just as their prices dropped due to Pascal. What I noted in the reviews I consult prior to a purchase is as resolution rose, the gap between a 980 Ti & Fury X closed. As I was on 1080P and plan was to go to 1440P it seemed a nonsense to buy the 980 Ti @ ~£350 when I'd paid ~£250 for the Fury X and wasn't get the 40% extra performance. I'd say it becomes probably tougher to decide between 980 Ti & Fury at the prices you are stating but the Freesync monitor you have would sway me towards the Fury.

Nano I wouldn't go for, my opinion is based on a few brushes I had with Nano owners helping them with bios mod on OCN. The card due to what the driver is doing (ie keeping it to x power usage IMO) just does not allow as good a flat max GPU clock line in monitoring as Fury/X even with modded ROMs from what I saw. Some depending on clock they were trying to achieve had issues even on water, which again adds to cost. The ref cooler on the Nano is just "adequate" in my book.

As I don't keep track of nVida stuff as much as AMD I'd say your probably looking at beginning to mid 2H 2017 for Vega with solid availability/choice of ref/custom cards.

As I like to have MAX graphics settings I saw the Fiji cards as stonking 1080P cards and good 1440P cards, 4K would seem like a comprise of settings for the FPS I'd want with that resolution. So I don't deem them as 4K cards. I also have seen Fiji cards are slow to sell compared with other cards, I also had 4 differing Hawaii cards a year or so ago, I think the future resale value will take a bigger hit than other cards of their release time due to the VRAM quantity, even if the GPU is pretty good.

So all in all would make the choice difficult for me/advise which card to buy now or stick with 780 Ti SLi. As I have a bit of a thrifty streak in me I'd probably opt for lower gaming res and stick it out with the 780 Ti SLi till Vega / 1080 Ti is out, which isn't an option I'm guessing?

I have cast no vote in the poll.
 
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Wait.. Next series will nail 4k. This series is not nailing it.. No matter what they advertise..
 
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Thank you for all the opinions. I'm leaning towards picking up a Fury since the expense will be very little out of pocket and I will get to try out FreeSync. I also won't have the SLI headache. Gupsterg, the Fury I'm looking at is a Tri-X so it's good to hear those have a high chance of unlocking. I will upgrade when true 4k cards come out, but I'll likely wait until prices settle on them.
 

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With the news that Vega won't be releasing until 1H 2017, and the 1080 Ti nowhere on the horizon, I've decided to buy a stop-gap card to replace my 780 Ti's until I do a rebuild in 2017. The 780 Ti's perform relatively well, but they run out of Vram quickly and I have to depend on SLI. It seems I can get a new R9 Fury for ~$300 USD. I like the idea of an AMD card since my monitor supports Freesync at 40-60Hz. The price is quite nice as well. The downsides of the Fury are the limited Vram and possibly lackluster performance, but I may be able to unlock some cores. Other options are a used 980 Ti, which seems to run $350 to $400 USD, or a 1070 for around $420. I have a $100 eBay gift card so will be purchasing there. I intend to play with mixed settings at 60Hz. I generally play older games, but would like good performance in Fallout 4, Skyrim Enhanced(in October), and GTAV.

All thoughts and suggestions welcome. Thank you for your time.
All Fiji cards only have 4GB ram so aren't really suited for 4k gaming. So if you want to play with 4K a gtx 1080 is a must, not only because of Vram but also because the performance of the 1080 is higher. I'd say at this point the 1080 is the only true 4k card besides the very expensive Titan XP. So you have these options:

A) stay and wait for faster cards
B) get a gtx 1080 or better or 1080 sli
C) use 1440p / high Hz monitor instead and forget that useless resolution ;)
 
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All Fiji cards only have 4GB ram so aren't really suited for 4k gaming. So if you want to play with 4K a gtx 1080 is a must, not only because of Vram but also because the performance of the 1080 is higher. I'd say at this point the 1080 is the only true 4k card besides the very expensive Titan XP. So you have these options:

A) stay and wait for faster cards
B) get a gtx 1080 or better or 1080 sli
C) use 1440p / high Hz monitor instead and forget that useless resolution ;)

B) A 1080 would preclude me from upgrading when true 4k cards come out. If the 1080 were $100 cheaper or 25% faster I would get one.
C) If all I did was game I'd agree with this, but the extra screen space is fantastic for CAD.

A) Good advice. Thank you. :)

Edit: It's weird that I can vote on my own poll.
 

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i voted fury for 300 just for the fact that the 780s area aging and getting some coin for them now will be better then waiting it out and getting less for them.
 
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@Ralfies

The air cooler on the Tri-X is stonking IMO :D , with some fan mod via OS SW or bios mod can easily keep GPU 55°C without being crazy loud. The GPU VRM keeps cooler on it than a Fury X, as the AIO coolant flows rad > pump on GPU > GPU VRM contact pipe > rad. The HBM VRM temp is pretty similar on both. The plus I saw with the Fury X AIO is how I mounted it all heat is going out of case and it can maintain 50°C GPU comfortably with out being obtrusive. TBH IIRC the Fury air cooler did not raise temps as high on my CPU/mobo/case internals as a Tri-X/Vapor-X/DCUII Hawaii cards.

The Nano stock cooler has quite a bit higher VRM temps compared to both other Fiji cards, so efficiency/output capacity would be reduced plus it has 2 phases less to GPU. Even trying to maintain 70°C is pushing it with the air cooler if IIRC and is way louder than other cards.
 
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Wouldn't a fury be slower than a pair of 780tis?

I'd either say keep them until 1080ti comes out or maybe vega is up in that performamce range? Otherwise, a 1080 is a fairly capable card already at 4K. You can run mostly all titles without AA pretty easy. Look at the review here and consider the settings used...;)
 

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Wouldn't a fury be slower than a pair of 780tis?

I'd either say keep them until 1080ti comes out or maybe vega is up in that performamce range? Otherwise, a 1080 is a fairly capable card already at 4K. You can run mostly all titles without AA pretty easy. Look at the review here and consider the settings used...;)

Yes it would I believe the 980TI is slower as well. I would also just keep the 780Ti SLI and leave it alone.
 
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Yeah, as long as SLI is working, the 780Ti's should be a little faster than a 980Ti.

Well, it's looking like I should just try to be patient and wait, no matter how much I want a new toy.
 
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I've had 7 Fiji cards, reason was I wasn't losing any £ disposing of them after I'd had my time with them finding the best OC'ing card.

A Fury performs pretty close to a Fury X. A Fury unlocked to 3840 SP will perform virtually identical as a genuine Fury X with 4096 SP from FRAPS tests I did; I would say the "gap" is so close it's like the "run to run" variance you would see when benching same card with same load. In a nut shell Fury Tri-X have the highest chance of unlocks, Nitro very rare to unlock at all, the rest are "hit'n'miss" of an intermediate % of those 2. Most will unlock to 3840 SP, 4096 SP unlock is lower chance, I'd say as much as unlock to 3776 SP only as well. Out of the 7 cards I had all reached upto 1100MHz (+/- 20MHz), only 2 reached 1135 or 1145. This was with +50mV MAX to keep testing same, stock cooler/TIM and all were subjected to 3hrs each 3DM FS / Heaven / Valley loops and some gaming plus min 12hrs max 48hrs continuous f@h for OC stability. HBM OC'ing has very little impact on performance gain, much less than what I saw with GDDR when comparing % of OC to gain.

As I was in a position not to lose money on the Fury X I kept, I was tempted at one point to get a 980 Ti just as their prices dropped due to Pascal. What I noted in the reviews I consult prior to a purchase is as resolution rose, the gap between a 980 Ti & Fury X closed. As I was on 1080P and plan was to go to 1440P it seemed a nonsense to buy the 980 Ti @ ~£350 when I'd paid ~£250 for the Fury X and wasn't get the 40% extra performance. I'd say it becomes probably tougher to decide between 980 Ti & Fury at the prices you are stating but the Freesync monitor you have would sway me towards the Fury.

Nano I wouldn't go for, my opinion is based on a few brushes I had with Nano owners helping them with bios mod on OCN. The card due to what the driver is doing (ie keeping it to x power usage IMO) just does not allow as good a flat max GPU clock line in monitoring as Fury/X even with modded ROMs from what I saw. Some depending on clock they were trying to achieve had issues even on water, which again adds to cost. The ref cooler on the Nano is just "adequate" in my book.

As I don't keep track of nVida stuff as much as AMD I'd say your probably looking at beginning to mid 2H 2017 for Vega with solid availability/choice of ref/custom cards.

As I like to have MAX graphics settings I saw the Fiji cards as stonking 1080P cards and good 1440P cards, 4K would seem like a comprise of settings for the FPS I'd want with that resolution. So I don't deem them as 4K cards. I also have seen Fiji cards are slow to sell compared with other cards, I also had 4 differing Hawaii cards a year or so ago, I think the future resale value will take a bigger hit than other cards of their release time due to the VRAM quantity, even if the GPU is pretty good.

So all in all would make the choice difficult for me/advise which card to buy now or stick with 780 Ti SLi. As I have a bit of a thrifty streak in me I'd probably opt for lower gaming res and stick it out with the 780 Ti SLi till Vega / 1080 Ti is out, which isn't an option I'm guessing?

I have cast no vote in the poll.
@gupsterg you got my curious about my Tri-X so I had a go at it using ATI Flash 2.74 and couldn't get past ID mismatch
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For 4k, I think you're really better off waiting for the 1080 Ti. Even the 1080 can't produce a consistent 60 FPS in some games at 4k.

If you're OK with mixed settings though, a 1080 would suffice, but keep in mind going forward, that will likely change to a less desirable scenario, which is why I feel a 1080 Ti is best.

No single GPU card is really ready for 4k going forward at this point.
 
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Used prices are very reasonable right now so I'd say 980ti or Fury X and since you have freesync, the Fury sounds like it.
 
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Wait it out with the 780Ti´s
Why spend bucks on something that only slightly improves game-quality

I´d rather play in lower res with some extras activated so your limited VRAM isn´t an issue

VEGA-1080Ti will be the moment to really get an upgrade for you (the 1080 is like mentioned beore not strong enough)


HOWEVER:

If you really really want an upgrade, the Fury seems logical for 300$

1) If you sell the 780Ti´s and later the Fury, you will have probably more than 300$ in total back (so a brake even)

2) If you wait now with the 780Ti´s to sell, by the time the VEGA/1080Ti comes by, your 780Ti´s won´t sell for that much (or not at all?)


=> Difference between both scenarios costs X-bucks
Do an estimate of how much the difference will be, and see if that amount is OK for you to spend now in order to play 1-year with the Fury instead of with the 780Ti´s (example, 50$)

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No single GPU card is really ready for 4k going forward at this point.
I know current cards don't look it in the reviews with details maxed out, but my 780 Ti SLI and now GTX 1080 actually give very good framerates when working at 4K (DSR, only have a 1080p monitor).

It depends on the game of course, with the older ones giving higher framerates overall and turning the quality down just a bit on the newer ones. In particular, removing AA, ambient occlusion, depth of field and motion blur really helps to keep the frameratess up for very little loss of quality. Note that the last two actually reduce picture quality, so I don't use them anyway.

The 1080 Ti will of course be significantly better.
 
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It depends on the game of course...The 1080 Ti will of course be significantly better.
It depends on game and settings, and that's just today. It's best to allow some headroom for when games get more demanding. The 1080 Ti might be the only one that will fit that bill, but hopefully AMD will come out with something competitive on the high end to keep Nvidia's pricing reasonable.
 
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