Back to Windows 10 for me!

[FYFI13]

Solaris17 has a fix for Windows 7 update problem, so that issue is now mute!

You will return to 7 give it time

I did, then i decided to give it another go with Anniversary Update - restored Win7 backup next day. Windows 10 is getting worse with every update. I mean, there are some good things about it, ie PC Settings expanding and about to replace Control Panel soon, but the way MS is forcing us to use W10 they way they want is making me sick. Also it feels like some unfinished beta.

 

[Shambles1980]

i wouldnt say that.. i genuinly did feel stupid for not moving on to a blaitantly better thing..

honestly if i wasnt on windows 10 and decided to be on windows 7 instead then i dont see why i wouldnt just say il stick with windows xp.
and if i was going to do that then i may aswell stick with 98 se because atleast that had reall dos that i felt most comfortable working with.

and i gues you could say windows 7 has fetures that 98 does not. and cant do this and that with 98..
Well same is and will be even more so true for windows 10..
So i really didnt see any reason why i shouldnt get it when it was free, and after i did get it. I dont see any problems with it. You can say its not vastly different to 7, but thats a good thing. what you wont be able to say after a while is that windows 7 can utilize all the hardware or software windows 10 can.. and given its the most popular "highest install count" windows opperating system which you will need to utilize dx12 you may as well have grabbed it when it was free and gotten used to it As soon as you could.

just like me and the mice. i was stuborn and suffered for it.

 

[Flow]

Hm, I feel there is some miscommunication going on.
Lets not debate about the pros and cons between 7 and 10. That's already done all over the world after all.

A declining performance in a windows 7 install does not point towards the os in question. There is something else going on.
Then I like to point out that most of the responders here run a dual boot, at least I am, and writing this from windows 10.
I feel they are the same, at least in desktop mode, minus the graphical interface and some incompatibility issues.

Then all future software will still run fully on windows 7, for the afformentioned reason, minus ofcourse the DX12 games.

Ah yes, DX12. I recall installing DX1 and after that version 2. after that 2A ? Well, it's a long time ago so I could have it wrong in my memory. It promised a mind blowing experience and improvements. Alas, all ran the same, looked the same, had the same speed.
Then came DX3, which required you to have a DX3 compatible card. Bought one and enjoyed, eh, the same as before.

But ok. If one feels things run much better with windows 10, then sure, use it and enjoy it.
I use both and enjoy both.

 

[Hood]

I completely agree. I can't go back to Windows 7 after using 8 and now 10 for the past couple years. I've had 8 on my main PCs for at least a couple years, and just recently put 10 on my main PC, but I've had 10 on my daily driver laptop for almost a year, and I really like it so much better than 7. When I go back to using 7 now it just feels so dated, and I miss the improvements that came with 8 and 10.

Besides the right click thing on the start menu(which I really don't benefit from because I still use ClassicShell and just configure it so all that stuff shows up there instead), there is the much improved file transfers and the much better task manager. Then there's the quicker startup, proper UEFI support, proper support for GPT drives and the ability to boot from them.

Agreed, Win7 is a dinosaur, and Classic Shell gives you complete control over the Start menu ( using it for 2-3 years, since 8.1), and lets you avoid the whole Metro/tiles interface. I can hardly stand to work on Win7 machines now - it's a frustrating experience waiting on Windows Update, virus scans take forever, and each reboot takes so long you can make breakfast while waiting...

 

[BiggieShady]

That only effected Vista/Server 2008 and older...

Yeah, that is what I said in my post if you didn't notice, can't go lower than 7 ... and 7 is fine, although it is getting little long in the tooth.
Point is that I can't really say 7 is new xp because there are no virus friendly tcp stack flaws that affect Vista/Server 2008 and older...

 

[Kursah]

I have found you gotta do it a certain way, install your OS, and then ONLY install the driver for your network, then run his fix, if you do this you wont have any issues and I have tested this on many different systems without issue.

But lets get real, the update thing yes its annoying but its only time that we waste, apart from that there is no issues, patients is what you need when working on PC's if you dont your in the wrong industry. By the end of the day Windows 7 is more stable and more user friendly not just to Programs and the user but also hardware, thats just a fact. No if buts or anything just pure fact.

and yes I use Windows 10 on my Work machine and dual boot it for Windows 7 also (i7 970, 6GB RAM, GTX 750) and I still end up going back to W7 because of incompatibility with 10 (but only for a few things) Acronis!!!

As a sysadmin I really prefer managing 8 and newer if only for the simple fact I have a much greater success rate of repairing corruption without the need for a reinstall.

7 is solid for sure, but in the same breath I find 8.1 and 10 to be solid as well. 10 still has some issues, hell so does 7. No Microsoft OS is perfect no matter what someone claims. But I'd say thse three are very damn good regardless.

My preference for 10 comes from working through issues since I deployed it...similar to what I experienced with 95, 98, 2k, XP, Vista, 7, and 8. No launch or first year or two was smooth and trouble free on any of them and that's a fact.

I feel some folks find that convenient to forget. At the end of the day if you're happy with your preference then there's no reason to change right now. If you have a stable system that does what you you want, then you're winning!

We all are allowed preferences, and what works for me might not work for you. I haven't had many issues with 10, usually compatibility-wise fewer than I did with 8/8.1. Overall, I'm happily managing 100s of systems on all 3 OSes (and back to XP as well, even a few 9x systems), I just happened to prefer 10.

 

[Frick]

Also it feels like some unfinished beta.

Seeing how recent updates borked webcams and Powershell and crashed systems when connecting a Kindle, this is a legit complaint. It kinda feels like consumers are just beta testers for enterprise. I hope they'll get their act together.

 

[alucasa]

All these complaints... Try unix OS for a bit. It ain't too bad.

 

[redeye]

Solaris17 has a fix for Windows 7 update problem, so that issue is now mute!

You will return to 7 give it time

protip...
while "mute" works... i believe you were going for "moot" which means the issue is academic... which kind of means to mute the conversation....

 

[biffzinker]

Net Framework 4, that's why it goes better after the update. (It gets auto installed with IE11)

I thought the IE11 installer also downloads other critical/hotfix updates during the install process? I remember seeing in the progress dialog window about it installing critical/optional updates before it starts installing IE11.

 

[Shambles1980]

oh btw i noticed windows 7 updates suck if you do lots at the same time. if you just do like 6-10 of them manually then do the next 6-10 manually they fly allong.
But who has time for that.

 

[subert]

Mine finally works as it should after I added ram up to 8gb Am I safe from memory leak ???

 

[Melvis]

protip...
while "mute" works... i believe you were going for "moot" which means the issue is academic... which kind of means to mute the conversation....

If you knew me well enough I do this kind of mistakes all the time, nothing knew for me lol, and hey since we have brains and it works it out for us when reading it kinda works both ways doesnt it? lol

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I give up on Windows Update. It's had over 24 hours to check for updates on two occasions now. I'm half convinced Microsoft killed it for good. I'm so close to sticking my Windows 10 USB stick in it.

 

[Frick]

Mine finally works as it should after I added ram up to 8gb Am I safe from memory leak ???

No, it still hogs up to 2GB RAM, you just don't notice it. You might still notice the CPU spikes.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Holy crap, this computer had GWX on it which means it uploaded the hardware profile to Microsoft inside of the free upgrade window. Windows 10 activated on it (I did give it the key for good measure)! I wasted all of that time messing with Windows 7.

 

[FYFI13]

I can hardly stand to work on Win7 machines now - it's a frustrating experience waiting on Windows Update, virus scans take forever, and each reboot takes so long you can make breakfast while waiting...

I see quite a lot of people like yourself, switching to Windows 10 from 5 year old Windows 7 installation and then "ooohhh Windows 10 is soo much faster"... Virus scans take exactly same time on Windows 10 and Windows 7. Boot times are slightly better on Windows 10, but we're talking about 3-4 seconds. If your job is to switch on and off PC's - yeah move to Windows 10. And lastly, you don't need to wait for for updates, enable automatic updates ("download updates and notify" option) and do your thing while it works. After fresh Windows 7 install just download and install update rollup. Two packages to download and you're done.

Heathen talk, not more.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Two packages to download and you're done.

Negative. On systems where SP1, KB30#####, and KB31##### rollup went on, Windows Update finds 80+ more updates on the first scan. Many of those updates also lead to subsequent updates. Without rollup, the number on the initial check is north of 220.

Windows 10: less than 4 hours between first boot into Windows 10, system fully updated (10 mbps internet), drivers found and installed (one was Vista, oops, lost many minutes to that--Sony's support website is stupid not remembering OS), and limited user account created. Oh, and this is on what I'm sure is a 5400 RPM drive (aka slow).

 

[Kursah]

I have to agree with @FordGT90Concept. I've staged one Windows 7SP1 system and one Windows 10 on my personal bench this weekend, one for family, one for a client...both on Dell 5000-series laptops from 2014. Figured I'd share my results here now that I'm.about done.

I was done with 10 yesterday morning... the same morning I installed it...fully updated and ready to roll. Updated, drivers, Minute to install Chrome, FF, VLC, MBAM, Peazip, etc. Boots up faster and was much faster to get off my bench.

The Win 7 system is still on my bench...gave it the afternoon, evening and now into mid morning today...still updating. But its gotta roll in a couple hours. Its only as far as it is thanks to Sols script and the rollup patch. Used Ninite for apps, etc.

Dont get me wrong, the system runs great, but its tough for me to justify wasting a weekend and sending off a fresh install incomplete in my eyes.

Last thing I want is a client or family member calling asking why their brand new system is spending all day downloading updates but doesn't really seem to be doing anything. Thats not a conversation we should need to have...and why I'm hoping next month's changes to the update platform will make all the difference.

I used 1607 for the 10 Pro install, 7 SP1 for the other.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

But it's not just the downloading updates that is horrible with this. It's the fact it loads one core to 100% during that whole time. On this laptop, that translated to some 30+ watts of constant power draw (and yes, it was hot to the touch) for nothing. It makes air conditioners run harder and needlessly raises the power bill. Microsoft should have fixed this shit a year ago. Rather, they should have released Service Pack 2 to get the total number of updates needed under 100 and they should have done that years ago. Businesses are still using Windows 7 en masse and this problem isn't going away.

Hell, I'm shocked Microsoft hasn't gotten sued for this yet. The 100% CPU usage translates to not only time wasted, but also money on power and cooling. That should be a multi-billion dollar lawsuit. Add on top of the fact that this behavior seems to coincide completely with the GWX launch and Microsoft's push to Windows 10. It's very, very dubious.

 

[lorraine walsh]

Thanks MS for the rear entry, we know they like it that way ^^ lol

"assistive users" yes.

Naa but Win 7 started using 4GB of ram at idle for no reason and it's a process i cannot stop known as "MSMPENG.EXE"


Well Windows 10 here i come, this time i promise not to touch the themes!

Missed the 29th July deadline. "Assistive User" here as well. Got to know about this hidden way of still installing windows here on TUP. Have a Win 8.1 folder taking 4gb but will be deleted automatically after 30 days I presume in the next update, or that's what I have heard.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The laptop I just put Windows 10 on:
a) had GWX
b) never installed Windows 10 before deadline
c) had legitimate Windows 7 system builder license
d) never did Windows 7 -> Windows 10 in-place upgrade

When I installed Windows 10:
a) I had the network cable plugged in from the start
b) when prompted for a key, I entered the Windows 7 key
c) when I got into Windows and looked at System, it was kind of glitching out ("Windows is not activiated" but the only button there was the admin logo to change key. I clicked on that admin logo and it popped up the dialog to reenter the key. I thought "oh shit" but then noticed in the background it updated the System dialog and said "Windows is activated." I canceled out of the change key dialog and it's activated.

From this, I gather that the July 29 cut off was more about people still buying Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 having the upgrade option to Windows 10 (kind of like how they were selling XP Pro with Vista upgrade). It was less about people that have older systems because GWX's purpose in life was to get the hardware profile to Microsoft.

 

[OneMoar]

I don't understand why people have so many issues with windows 10
I am only left to assume its user error or vendor fault
as for windows 7 update issues I have only ever encountered that on slow systems with limited ram/cpu power available its just the hardware being THAT slow windows update now requires a bunch of hash and certificate checks and that stuff is really slow on old pcs so if it tries to install a bunch of needed updates at once because you have been ignoring the fucking update prompt for over 2 months then guess what you are in for a wait or it may just decide to hang best solution is to install the updates in large rollups which is what solairus script does cancel all pending updates and install the two large rollups to reduce the load

and recon might wanna inform your self some more before unleashing your malformed opinions on others
msmpeng.exe Is windows defender the main process THAT name hasn't changed since vista

 

[Recon-UK]

Missed the 29th July deadline. "Assistive User" here as well. Got to know about this hidden way of still installing windows here on TUP. Have a Win 8.1 folder taking 4gb but will be deleted automatically after 30 days I presume in the next update, or that's what I have heard.

Before this news come about i actually installed using this method without even realizing so i guess it's not a new thing, was just laying very low

 

[Recon-UK]

I don't understand why people have so many issues with windows 10
I am only left to assume its user error or vendor fault
as for windows 7 update issues I have only ever encountered that on slow systems with limited ram/cpu power available its just the hardware being THAT slow windows update now requires a bunch of hash and certificate checks and that stuff is really slow on old pcs so if it tries to install a bunch of needed updates at once because you have been ignoring the fucking update prompt for over 2 months then guess what you are in for a wait or it may just decide to hang best solution is to install the updates in large rollups which is what solairus script does cancel all pending updates and install the two large rollups to reduce the load

and recon might wanna inform your self some more before unleashing your malformed opinions on others
msmpeng.exe Is windows defender the main process THAT name hasn't changed since vista

I guess svchost is also Windows Defender?


You can only hide so much of it's flaws but scvhost can't really be stopped it's netsvcs and valuable components for the system to even run.