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I've never killed an nvidia card and I still have 8800's that work.. I have killed ATI cards.. Let the proof speak for it's self instead of screaming "bullshit" because you're a fan boy..
I'm honestly curious..

I had 3 die on me from the 7900 range, due to a chip that was on the back of the card that was next to the south bridge, both would get extremely hot.

Since then i been all AMD pretty much although on the AMD side i am surprised no one pointed out the 280 as that seems to pop up some. I never got a 280 although i had a 2900XT that fried but that was my fault from not putting the fan back over the ram chips on the back of the card while being heavily overclocked..

In the end i call bullshit to this myth.

And no a poll would not be hard just a simple

Yes ?
No ?
Just bullshit will just do fine for bullshit.
 
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Guess what killed them besides the 7770? overclocking.
 
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Wow, yeah. Please close this lol
 

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It's more important to look at why cards fail over the GPU manufacturer. Why? Because it's rarely the GPU itself that fails, ergo it comes down to AIB partner implementations more than anything else. The areas of failure I see the most (from most to least frequent):
-Thermal design failure...usually the fan either stops working or makes a massive racket to the point it has to be replaced.
-Blown capacitors because the AIB couldn't be arsed to invest in quality voltage regulation.
-Shitty BIOS...as in not even stable at factory clocks. Only solution is to flash different BIOS but it could brick it.

Edit: The only thing you can really squarely peg on the GPU manufacturer is drivers. Especially when it gets pointed directly at by a BSOD.
 

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I have killed more cards than most of the people in this thread combined. Doesn't matter what color they are they all die the same. Most failures I see in the field are user related, dust causes higher temps, higher temps kill cards.
 
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I've killed a 9800GT, GTX 470 and a GTX 580. I have also killed a x850xt and a 4850x2.

It's more important to look at why cards fail over the GPU manufacturer. Why? Because it's rarely the GPU itself that fails, ergo it comes down to AIB partner implementations more than anything else. The areas of failure I see the most (from most to least frequent):
-Thermal design failure...usually the fan either stops working or makes a massive racket to the point it has to be replaced.
-Blown capacitors because the AIB couldn't be arsed to invest in quality voltage regulation.
-Shitty BIOS...as in not even stable at factory clocks. Only solution is to flash different BIOS but it could brick it.


I ran a massively modded 480 with a dedicated VRM cooler (VRM G2) and was using a custom LN2 bios that if i had the right probes would allow way more than 1.215V lol.

The Vreg dies and you can see that below.




Look at the transistor to the left of the CHiL chip.
 

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I ran a massively modded 480 with a dedicated VRM cooler (VRM G2) and was using a custom LN2 bios that if i had the right probes would allow way more than 1.215V lol.

The Vreg dies and you can see that below.




Look at the transistor to the left of the CHiL chip.

I have three watercooled GTX470's with customer BIOS's and plenty of voltage still kicking around. Some of my favorite cards.
 

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Maybe we can save this thread after all...

BTW the cards that died on my systems were: 1x 7800 GT (extreme game usage with high oc over nearly 2 years rma'd and replaced with 7900 gt) and a GTX 260 XFX BE (some kind of strange cpu malfunction with unstable overclocks resulting in gpu death). The only radeon HD 5970 didn't really fail I guess the PCI-E went bad or the pci-e-bridge that connected the Gpus on the pcb because everything else worked. Crossfire was off with new drivers and pci-e connection down to 4x/2x.
 
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Maybe we can safe this thread after all...

BTW the cards that died on my systems were: 1x 7800 GT (extreme game usage with high oc) and a GTX 260 XFX BE (some kind of strange cpu malfunction with unstable overclocks resulting in gpu death). The only radeon HD 5970 didn't really fail I guess the PCI-E went bad or the pci-e-bridge that connected the Gpus on the pcb because everything else worked. Crossfire was off with new drivers and pci-e connection down to 4x/2x.

Can I list cards?

The cards I own that are alive still, Asus Ti4200, volt modded for years, 8400GS, 9800GTX, 3870X2, 3xGTX470's, R7 240, R9 290

Dead-3870X2, stack of 4850's, 4870X2, 8800GTS 512, GTS250, 2 GTX295's, 9800GTX+, this list goes on for a while so I'm just going to stop...
 
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Are mobile GPU's included?
Nvidia hasn't got a great history with them due to heat killing a few.
 
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I cant say about AMD´s card and failrate, but nvidia cards can also fail. I have all the time i have had GPU´s always from nvidia and mostly Zotac cause i have had such good exsperience with Zotac and all my GPU´s have been overclokket from day one i got them

I have had these cards:

Geforce 2 32 MB ram something i cant remember model.
Geforce 4 MX 440 128 MB ram
Geforce GC 5700 LE
3 x Zotac GTX 285
2 x Gainward GTX 570 where one of them got unstable after close to 2 years of use.
2 x Zotac GTX 660 TI
2 x EVGA GTX 970 but only had them for like 1 week cause they had coil whine and returned them for RMA
2 x Zotac GTX 970 even throw the bios is modified with a higher power target from 106 % (yes the cards are based on nvidia referende desing but with zotac own cooler) to 119 % and have had them since december 2014. They still works just fine. Zotac have for me become my favorite cards.
But i am planning to try MSI or Asus next time to se if they can deliver a better exsperience than gainward/EVGA dit.

So one card that litterly failed after close to 2 years of use and two that i only had for a week cause of coil whine. The rest of them where just fine all the time i had them.
 

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What in the actual fack? Who cares honestly....
 

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The GPU itself rarely dies at normal usage ... almost always it's memory or VRM. So it's about AIB's cooling and PCB components quality.
GTX 9800 and GTX 560 Ti died on me ... memory chip gone bad both times in the summer time
 
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I've never killed an nvidia card and I still have 8800's that work.. I have killed ATI cards.. Let the proof speak for it's self instead of screaming "bullshit" because you're a fan boy..
I'm honestly curious..
well my parcoure is the opposite of your ... sooo odds evened, both brands have the same likelesness to die or survive (only the user make the card die ... the user is always the fault the organic component is an imperfection ... ok ... i am jokin g:p )

Can we get a mod to close a thread with it:

1) having a zero chance of being scientifically verifiable and,
2) being a pile of flame baitery wank.
agreed.
 

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I've had the same percentage of each die over the years in relation to the number of cards I've had. Two Radeons and one Geforce. So neither is more reliable than the other in my experiences.
 
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TPU is more controlled. In other communities, this thread would be crying bloody murder by now with several members drawing knives at each other, calling names and whatnot.

What a flame barrel thread. Close it, I say. Not even worth talking about the topic when OP doesn't even want to do proper sampling.
 
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Seriously, why does this thread exist when there's so much material to read on the internet already... It's like people just don't understand how electronics and IC's work. Extra heat build up will kill components (obviously), but the tolerance will range slightly on the quality of the GPU die itself (as far as I know, the GPU die isn't 1:1 perfect copy and can range in quality) and the quality of the components used by AIB partners for the PCB, by now there just hasn't been any of the AIB partners that skimp out on the PCB and it's components, IMO it's a thing of the past.

The cooling solution is the icing on the cake. Both companies have cards that can fail equally if you put them under more stress than what they're supposed to run at, end of story, mileage will always vary.

Though I will mention that sometimes AIB partners can **** up. Like when I had a Gigabyte R9 380 turn off it's fan until it hits 50c ON IDLE. That's just too high, why the hell! Eventually AMD fixed that with a driver, after 6 months... A bit late, but better then never at all. Gigabyte did have BIOS updates, but most of the new ones wouldn't even flash for some reason, and people complaining in the forums didn't get any answers. ON THEIR OWN FORUMS, WHAT!? Lol, Indian tech support is providing better service than them. I'm joking, but still, I haven't forgotten that they messed up that time. It's like they're becoming the next ASUS, where you won't get an answer until you post on their facebook posts, smh.

The only card I've ever had that was dying was a GTX 550Ti, after about 3-4 years it started showing pink dots on the desktop, but was fine when a 3D load was put on. It wasn't overclocked at all, it just had crappy cooling because it was a Palit model. The non existent airflow in the case at the time was killing the card faster, because the single fan on the graphics card didn't have any cool air to take in. I was surprised that the GPU die was showing symptoms first rather than the other components that ran at higher temperatures, even though they are rated to be operational at 100c and above.

A genuine old complaint from HD 7000 and RX 200 series mid to high range cards is that AMD AIB partners rarely accommodated for overclocking, some of the cards already ran with high temperatures as it is, and people overclocked on top of that, some guys just didn't have common sense maybe, I don't know.

I have never bought a reference design board with blower fans because they just wouldn't work as well as the open fan design (or whatever it's called) in my situation. I hav

Bottom line, OP's topic discussion shouldn't have been brought up... yet. Graphics cards come and go, it's rare for any gamer nowadays to be using the same card for more than 10 years, hell I wouldn't use the same card for more than 5 years in my case (they just outlive themselves based on the games I need to play). And the cards in my possession usually never die even after lots of torture.

I recently ghetto modded two low-end cards, a HD 3450 and a GT 8500, so they have more heat capacity )because the AIB partners just went nope! And had small heatsinks instead, and thought it was okay for the card to die after the warranty was up). I did this for fun mostly, but in the end I wanted the GPU's to survive longer, I will use them for an old Pentium 4 PC with Windows XP so I can run older games perfectly, since some games don't work right on newer OS versions. That's the only reason why I'd want the GPU to last this long, is for them to be able to play older titles with compatibility issues.

Sorry for the long winded post, I think I've already mentioned that it's impossible for me to make short posts since I want to just speak my mind. At least this time I didn't press the backspace by accident and lost all the text and over an hour of time typing it, because the auto-save system on this site hates me. Now if I can be excused, I'll go play some Morrowind on an overclocked integrated GPU. :D
 
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I've never killed an nvidia card and I still have 8800's that work.. I have killed ATI cards.. Let the proof speak for it's self instead of screaming "bullshit" because you're a fan boy..
I'm honestly curious..

I have a 9800 Pro AIW and x1950 Pro that still works fine
 
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In the end AMD and NV are mainly just handling the gpus and memory and those are super-unlikely to fail on their own. It's far more likely you'd have a capacitor blow, a port go bad, bad thermal paste application, a fan go bad (which could then cause an overheating failure), etc. and that's all dependent on the quality of those components that the AIBs use and their level of quality control. Those factors don't really have anything to do with whether the gpu on the board is from NV or AMD.

The one issue I had repeatedly with various gfx cards was with those blower fans like most of the AMD reference designs had and the Nvidia 1070/1080 FE have. Those fans are IMO undersized and the quality of the bearings in them is not great. Their enclosure style also makes them difficult to clean. So I personally have had pretty consistent issues with that style fan going bad after a couple years. Depending when you catch the problem if it's let go it can lead to overheating and a full card failure rather than just having to replace the fan. That was mostly on AMD cards since they seemed to really put a lot of them out with that style blower fan in their reference designs for around 5-6 years. But I'll be curious to see if the same happens with the FE versions of the NV 1070 and 1080 in a couple years.
 
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Nvidia probably dies more than AMD. Why because they sell more cards.

That, plus those intermittent Max Smart drivers they release that self destruct your GPU :rolleyes: LoL

I still have a couple ATi branded AGP cards kicking around...

Keep the dust out of the HSF and reapply thermal paste every year or 2, no worries for either supplier. I think most failures are a direct result of 'PEBKAC'
 
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