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I feel that fglrx on 15.10 was smoother than the open source drivers for desktop compositing but, that doesn't really bother me too much since it is trying to do stuff across all 3 displays. Did you install it on 16.04 or did you use something like Mint instead? I hear that there is an issue where part of the driver isn't getting compiled on the 4.4 kernel and requires a little bit of hacking to get around whereas I think Mint is on 4.6 now.

You have to enable tear free in a radeon config file (/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf), or get the GUI frontend DRIConf. That prevevnts tearing etc.

Good read here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI

@m0nt3 and @Aquinus I have been meaning to try the Radeon PRO for my HM8850 (R7 265x iirc) in my Dell laptop...but honestly the open source driver has been so stable and I believe my GPU might not be supported. Frankly everything runs so smooth on Ubuntu 16 right now (recently upgraded)...I'm pretty damn content. The games I do play on Linux run smoother than ever, slapped Cinnamon 3 on there...everything is fast, smooth and stable.

At the moment GCN 1.0 is unsupported and GCN 1.1 is untested.

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Also, accord to bridgman (AMD opensource DEV) on Phoronix forums, AMDGPU will be intended for consumer oriented card, while the pro will be for the Professional FireGL line. Also heard AMD is considering Open Sourcing their Radeon Settings control panel, which is built on QT so we could see Radeon Settings for Open Source drivers in the future :)
 
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I am. Because even if Windows 10 is the worst OS in entire history, it's still 100 million light years better than Linux. And don't mix up server stuff with client. That's like comparing CNC machine with a file... And yeah, Linux is fail. "It'll overtake Windows anytime now" I hear every time they release new 500th edition of the GUI frontend and 500th edition of the Linux core. And yet it's still this clumsy trainwreck no one wants to use but the most hardcore masochists. If you like it great, but you saying it's great doesn't change the fact it just isn't.

Sooo, what you are saying is that it's to difficult for you to use? Don't hate what you don't understand.

@Aquinus I'll have to give this a try on my A6 Lappy. :toast:
 
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The only thing I simply can't wrap my head around is, why do people that brag about how awesome linux is (in some ways it is...) almost always use Ubuntu? That distro is all kinds of ******!
 
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I am. Because even if Windows 10 is the worst OS in entire history, it's still 100 million light years better than Linux. And don't mix up server stuff with client. That's like comparing CNC machine with a file... And yeah, Linux is fail. "It'll overtake Windows anytime now" I hear every time they release new 500th edition of the GUI frontend and 500th edition of the Linux core. And yet it's still this clumsy trainwreck no one wants to use but the most hardcore masochists. If you like it great, but you saying it's great doesn't change the fact it just isn't.

I'm sorry, but I cringed so hard when I read this.

A) how on earth can you compare windows and Linux head to head, then state "don't mix up server stuff with client" are you joking? they both are aimed at different audiences, YOU compared the CNC to a file...
B) clumsy train wreck? really? just because you don't know how to use something doesn't make it a fail. just because YOU cant achieve what YOU want through YOUR ignorance does not mean it is a failed OS.
C) Linux is not going anywhere, anytime soon. Did you know that alot of major companies (to list a few: Google, Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, NASA) run on Linux?

tl;dr - Windows and Linux both good. Ignorant to downplay Linux as "not as good as windows". two separate tools aimed at two separate audiences

Rant over, good day
 

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The only thing I simply can't wrap my head around is, why do people that brag about how awesome linux is (in some ways it is...) almost always use Ubuntu? That distro is all kinds of ******!

It's a stable release in most cases, LTS or not...and most things "just work" with Ubuntu. IMHO, if you want a stable, compatible and solid Linux experience...Ubuntu is the way to go. Sure folks should branch out to other..um..branches.

Frankly for work/deployments I primarily use Ubuntu. I've messed with plenty of other distros, and had some good experiences with them for sure...but at the end of the day, most people dislike Ubuntu for Unity which is easy enough to deal with...and honestly easy enough to get used to. Though it's no bueno for Hyper-V VM's due to needing more GPU horsepower to run in virtualized environments...slapping on XFCE or similar fixes that in a hurry. Well really its not bad if you give it 2-3GB RAM and 2-4 cores...but otherwise a different GUI makes a big difference!

I really can't find a big reason to hate on Ubuntu, it is the distro that is leading the way to getting more users to accept Linux as a serious daily OS supplement to OSX and Windows. Sure there are other good options, but for one that has tons of help, documentation and almost all Linux supporting folk have experience with it....kinda negates starting with anything else initially at least. That's my opinion on the matter.

I will say that I do enjoy Mint, Fedora, Debian, but at the end of the day...personally I go back to Ubuntu...I really have had the best luck with it, most stability and overall it gets the job done. Even my resident RHEL guy uses Ubuntu for work...though he uses Fedora at home (understandably).

Frankly...I think folks should try different flavors... Ubuntu is a gateway Linux...for some of us, that's all we needed. Plop on Steam, Google Chrome, PlayOnLinux, VLC, and go!

What do you prefer or suggest? I'm always game for something new! :D
 
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The only thing I simply can't wrap my head around is, why do people that brag about how awesome linux is (in some ways it is...) almost always use Ubuntu? That distro is all kinds of ******!
Well, i use Ubuntu Mate because it just works out of the box on all 4 PCs that i use at home. 0 tweaking/hacking needed. Free to use, tons of software that can be installed by typing a single command line (sudo apt install steam skype kodi handbrake pinta vlc keepassx and so on), highly customizable, faster than Windows and rock stable. No spyware included!
I have tried many other distros, some of them i liked, some i didn't but i always come back to Ubuntu based ones. They're more polished thanks to Canonical (not only, ofcourse). If you ever need some technical help - just google it and you will find the answer because Ubuntu family has so many users.
 

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Well, i use Ubuntu Mate because it just works out of the box on all 4 PCs that i use at home. 0 tweaking/hacking needed. Free to use, tons of software that can be installed by typing a single command line (sudo apt install steam skype kodi handbrake pinta vlc keepassx and so on), highly customizable, faster than Windows and rock stable. No spyware included!
I have tried many other distros, some of them i liked, some i didn't but i always come back to Ubuntu based ones. They're more polished thanks to Canonical (not only, ofcourse). If you ever need some technical help - just google it and you will find the answer because Ubuntu family has so many users.

Well let's not forget that up until the most recent release(s) of Ubuntu, they did have the online search logger for Ubuntu Search enabled by default...very much like what Windows 10 is doing now with Cortana search being an integral part of Windows Search. Now Ubuntu has it disabled, maybe even removed (I HOPE!), but for years I was in the habit of disabling that first and foremost. If I recall correctly Ubuntu and Amazon had a deal in regards to that online search too... though I'd have to do some researching into that to make sure i got my facts straight.

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Well let's not forget that up until the most recent release(s) of Ubuntu, they did have the online search logger for Ubuntu Search enabled by default...very much like what Windows 10 is doing now with Cortana search being an integral part of Windows Search. Now Ubuntu has it disabled, maybe even removed (I HOPE!), but for years I was in the habit of disabling that first and foremost. If I recall correctly Ubuntu and Amazon had a deal in regards to that online search too... though I'd have to do some researching into that to make sure i got my facts straight.

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True but i never have used Unity for more than an hour. Mate is my mate :p Unity, KDE 4/5, Windows 8 tried to reinvent the desktop and all failed, IMO. There's no need to fix if it's not broken :)
 
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What do you prefer or suggest? I'm always game for something new! :D
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CentOS and Arch are definitely good ones to go with as well! My RHEL guy highly recommends Arch... we use CentOS on a couple of servers we manage, and it runs so smooth and clean.
 
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Anyone working in IT Sysadmin jobs know that CLI is going nowhere. There's brand new OSes and network appliances that rely heavily on CLI for advanced management and control. This is clearly something most folks won't see or know, and those that want it simple and easy should stick with the the GUI...no argument there.

Linux is gaining market share, SteamOS helped (but is faltering), Ubuntu and Mint get better with every release. Linux runs the Internet, and the bulk of DNS servers out there that everyone uses so heavily to go to www.whatever.com rather than 75.23.411.345..etc. In the world of managing what you guys want to easily use, Linux and Unix are the backbones of that. Not Windows, not OSX. Also with folks getting upset about Win10 issues, Linux is becoming more common. SteamOS, while struggling is still pushing more games to Linux. PlayOnLinux is helping to make Wine easier to use and access for gaming on Linux. More and more software vendors are pushing apps to Linux. It's getting easier and more common and has been for the last decade.

I work for a Microsoft-certified vendor and as such do a lot with Server 2012R2, powershell, advanced configurations and deployments. And for some of our more critical services, reliability required deployments, etc...we turn to Linux every time, for good reason. Might not be as important to the general end-user up front...but making brash and ignorant statements doesn't make it any less true that it is a necessity to run those services and things that the folks who want it easy so very much rely upon.

He has every right to voice his favor for GUI, just like you do...it's HOW that particular individual does it. Act like an ass, get treated like one, and that's all I'll say about that. @Nergal you do bring up some good points from your perspective and I thank you for doing so in an appropriate manner. :)

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I am glad to have some excellent feedback from you!
Ofcourse I agree with your views about the professional level, it only confirms my own I had.
Thou I still had the impression that the balance of server type OS was unchanged the last decade.

Now I did look up a wiki page (woooooow!!!!!); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
Seems to me like LINUX isn´t hitting it off with the regular blokes. As everything else is getting easier, seems like LINUX just can´t let go of CLI for even a basic install of the OS.
Is this because LINUX users like to keep the learning curve steeper?
"If you dont want to learn CLI, stick with your ugly WIN OS"

I have tried 2 times in the past to transition to LINUX, first time was early 2000´s; to steep curve, nowhere decent explanations.
Around 2010 I gave it another go, there were some nice forums and I actually got it up and running.
But since there was no "need" to use LINUX, and something new/changed caused again a bunch of CLI commands to lookup and try&error; I slowly gave up on it. (was nice to have 5 machines form a single supercomputer thou:) )

So, are LINUX programmers inadequate or unwilling to create a LINUX that needs zero CLI?
Or is this just impossible from the get-go?(just how LINUX is wired)


Since we live in a world where "computer-stuff" becomes easier, the average skill-level of users will drop (example; how many people know how their car works, opposed to how many drive it).
In such a world, sticking to the need of knowning CLI will become a fatal flaw in an OS for standard users.

I just dont get it, Android is LINUX kernel, but doesnt need a single CLI now does it?(I know a OS isnt the same, but you see where I am getting at)



Lastly, don´t get me wrong, I think it is great to have opensource and have a decent OS out there that is extremely customisable.
But in the end it will become like a classical music radio station.
Everyone agrees it is certainly good to have and an ode to the cultural herritage, but not many people are actually tuning to it.
 

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@Nergal

A LOT has changed in the past 6 years. Not sure if you noticed my comment earlier in this thread, but I have my mom on Ubuntu 16 (Unity even) and she uses it just fine, daily. She doesn't change much, but had to install VLC by herself...which she was able to do through the software manager in the GUI. No CLI needed for her, at all. Like in situations with Windows where you can, CLI is faster usually (when you know the syntax)...in Linux its that much more powerful because you can install so many pieces of software directly at the command-line.

Honestly, now-a-days in most situations for basic users, CLI isn't necessary even in Linux with Ubuntu and Mint at least in my recent experience with them. Ubuntu 16 and Mint 18 have been pretty damn solid, smooth, and easy to do a lot more from the GUI with.

Linux isn't aiming to take all of Windows or OSX users, but its offering those that are curious a chance to try it out, and anyone that can Google even halfway decently can find someone else that has been in that situation and how to fix it...even using copy and paste most of the time if/when terminal is required. Honestly I don't think that's too shabby.

Most folks will go the path of least resistance, which is where OSX and Windows come in, and always will. Do I think Linux will match them in the UI arena? No..maybe a couple of flavors will come close...and some IMHO are pushing that envelope more and more with each passing update. But that's not the point of it...the point is having more access and control.

For those that need simplicity, that's what SteamOS is supposed to be for. Fire it up, browse the web, listen to some music and play games from your Steam collection. I hope it keeps going, because it has helped make some more strides for Linux gaming...and honestly if a Windows gamer can overclock, flash graphics card or main board BIOS from CLI, a few terminal commands isn't going to be that bad. Some folks it won't click with, some it'll take a little bit before it does and others will take to it right away.

In the end though, don't base your experienced opinions off of a 16 or 6 year-old experiences...you really should consider trying Linux again now. Even if just to see how it works...fire it up on a USB HDD, or dual boot or even spin up a VM and go that route (though be advised Hyper-V doesn't accelerate Unity so it won't be silky smooth until you change the GUI...which really is quite easy to do from terminal).

On the terminal aspect, there's a reason that OSX (which actually has a Linux derived terminal), Windows (CLI and Powershell) and Linux (terminal) all still have command line interfaces...and that's simply because sometimes that's the only place to get shit done. Have a corrupted Windows OS that is causing you grief but you can still get into...good luck fixing that in the GUI, which most of the time will find nothing wrong or cannot repair the issue...many of these same issues are easy to repair in CLI...using SFC and DISM commands. There's been a couple of terminal-only repairs I've had to run in OSX as well. And in Linux, while there is usually a GUI option for most things now...even when there is, terminal is still more efficient. And in many cases the same goes for Windows and OSX when you know how to use the commands.

People say "But it's 2016!!! We don't need CLI!!! GUI all the way!!!" the problem is even Windows 10 has some things that need done via CLI or Powershell...things you may or may not experience, but even it isn't bullet proof from the "Can't Linux devs get their shit together and make a GUI that does all that CLI does?!", well not even Microsoft can accomplish that...neither does OSX.

There's a reason most modern OSes, be it routers, switches, workstations, servers, ALL have a CLI access method and that's for very good reason. I can't count how many times I've had to fix a Windows issue in CLI...usually for people that are none-the-wiser on how to fix such an issue in the first place. There's been at least a dozen times on this forum where I've helped someone by providing them CLI commands for Windows they were able to run and get results...that's just me and I see a lot of experienced users around here doing the same for other users in need.

So while GUI's for all OSes involved in this conversation have improved, CLI is here to stay because sometimes the GUI fails and needs help, can't do it as efficiently or flat out can't do it. Honestly this is coming from a guy that mostly gave up CLI for many years after Windows 9x and XP, but once I got back into IT, learned how critical it really is to know them or know how to find the commands you need to resolve issues, print to a txt document to review logs, etc. Might not be something most users need, but when their system is screwed and they can't fix it, if there's a chance it can be fixed via CLI, it's usually worth doing. :)

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Again, I completely agree with you on a professional level!!!
CLI won´t be replaced.
Your points you list are all valid and I viewed them also as such even before entering this discussion, in fact, you strengthed it.

So, LINUX has again improved, when I have time I will see about it myself and give it another shot.
Thing is I am pretty confident I get it up and running easy peasy, but will the "need" be there to keep using it...certainly worth a look thou.


But for simple users, I fear it will become more and more niche as generations come and go.
Perhaps I should´ve made my perspective clear on the timeframe I was making statements on.
I view this not in years, but in decades.

I am sure in 100years that CLI will have gone the way I described.
Used almost only by some professionals and even lesser amount of enthousiasts

You dont need to be a mechanic to drive a car nor a musician to listen to music.
Didn´t we all had to learn playing the recorder (aka flute); so; like perhaps at a certain point we will learn CLI at school; and then forget about it lateron.
 
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I guess I am not a lone hipster hating ubuntu also...

My fave has always been Fedora thou...
 
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The casual user is migrating to smartphones, leaving the computer only for work related stuff. That's good for GNU/Linux if in the future the mayor professional software vendors migrate away from Windows and the (possible) "only Windows Store".

I also don't like Ubuntu, how can it consume 1GB of RAM on nothing when in past versions that was 350MB?
 
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The casual user is migrating to smartphones, leaving the computer only for work related stuff. That's good for GNU/Linux if in the future the mayor professional software vendors migrate away from Windows and the (possible) "only Windows Store".

I also don't like Ubuntu, how can it consume 1GB of RAM on nothing when in past versions that was 350MB?

The Linux kernel will use as much RAM as you have available for disk caching, the longer and more you use your computer the more RAM is used, this is not always shown in monitoring tools, but if you run free from terminal it will tell you. Unity is also more resource intensive than gnome 2 was. With RAM at the levels and pricing it is, meh. At least an ubuntu in stall loaded with apps is around 6-7GB where as windows its 20ish GB and you dont have half the functionality (no office, no photo editing beside paint, etc.)
 
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I'm referring to past Unity versions, even KDE 5 and Gnome 3 are lighter. It takes away the only advantage of Unity, be useful in small screen computers.
Remember those old Atom netbooks with GMA3150 graphics? They are still very common here (as classroom pcs), and Intel limited them to 2GB max. As they can no longer run Windows (drivers limited to 7, and Windows update eating all RAM and CPU all the time), and the best DE for those 10in screens is just too heavy, you only can use XFCE on them.

Back on topic, for those wanting to try the current work on GCN1.0 support, here is the git:
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/?h=drm-next-4.8-wip-si
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/?h=drm-next-4.9-si

Those with GCN1.1 need to only enable the experimental support for amdgpu when compiling the kernel.
I've heard that the Vulkan driver of amdgpu pro is working on all GCN cards already, the only thing missing is the userspace driver compatiblity.
 
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Good news! The 4.9 kernel will add the experimental support for GCN1.0 cards.
And the oss Vulkan driver (radv) starts to run games.
 

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I just read that too! I'm really digging the forward momentum right now, its an exciting time!
 
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I guess I am not a lone hipster hating ubuntu also...

Being a gentoo advocate, I hate Ubuntu with a passion.

You can also pry your CLI from my cold dead hands.

This is from a server admin perspective though. I'd never subject Grandma to Gentoo.
 

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Ditching Ubuntu Gnome and using Unity enabled AMDGPU-Pro to work. I still have this weird issue with artifacts on my 390 but, it seems to be related to DPM's handling of memory clocks more than anything else. I was using my installation as a playground and wanted to start over so I backed up the SSDs and started over. At least this time around, I'm not stuck with the Radeon drivers. So long as I keep the GPU clocks up with the following, everything runs smoothly:
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echo high > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_force_performance_level
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I seem to have OpenGL 4.5 now as well. :D
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OpenGL core profile version string: 4.5.13448 Core Profile Context 16.30.3
OpenGL core profile shading language version string: 4.50
OpenGL version string: 4.5.13448 Compatibility Profile Context 16.30.3
OpenGL shading language version string: 4.50
OpenGL ES profile version string: 4.5.13448 Compatibility Profile Context 16.30.3
OpenGL ES profile shading language version string: 4.50
 
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I really can't find a big reason to hate on Ubuntu,

I have a big reason to dislike (not hate) Ubuntu; I dislike orange color.

So, I use Fedora instead which has a blue theme. I like blue far better. :D
I really do use Fedora only. Since my main applications are Blender, GIMP, and Libre Office, I don't really have any issue with just using Unix OS, mostly. Furthermore, I am comfortable with terminal since I maintain several VPS via SSH.
 

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General impressions is that is runs as good as the Radeon driver if not a little better. It's definitely not perfect but, it works. I was reading that COGL might have some issues with AMDGPU-Pro which is why it wasn't working with Ubuntu Gnome. That isn't a problem in Unity because COGL doesn't get used. Either way, it's far more stable than it was before. I can't complain about that. I need to get to making dinner but, I'll continue to explore afterwards.

Edit: Ubuntu doesn't ship stock with VIM anymore. What is wrong with the world?! :p
 
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