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Nice, I will post my results with RadeonSI shortly
EDIT:

The RadeonSI with mesa-git did not fair as well.

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RADV is getting Southern Islands (GCN1.0) support!
 

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Nice, I will post my results with RadeonSI shortly
EDIT:

The RadeonSI with mesa-git did not fair as well.

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Are you using just RadeonSI/AMDGPU or are you using the AMGGPU-Pro download from AMD's site? For me to use the OOTB AMGPU/RadeonSI driver I need to recompile the kernel to turn on the CIK parts flag whereas using AMDGPU-Pro doesn't require me recompiling the kernel. I thought I read that, AMDGPU-Pro has additional improvements to rendering performance as well.
 
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Are you using just RadeonSI/AMDGPU or are you using the AMGGPU-Pro download from AMD's site? For me to use the OOTB AMGPU/RadeonSI driver I need to recompile the kernel to turn on the CIK parts flag whereas using AMDGPU-Pro doesn't require me recompiling the kernel. I thought I read that, AMDGPU-Pro has additional improvements to rendering performance as well.

I am using the Radeon kernel module, not amdgpu kernel module. I compiled a kernel with CIK and it performed well enough, but was less compatible with wine-nine.

for some reason, I was under the impression radeonsi was a part of radeon kernel module and not amdgpu pro. The whole situation seems a bit of a mess with the naming convention.
 

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I am using the Radeon kernel module, not amdgpu kernel module. I compiled a kernel with CIK and it performed well enough, but was less compatible with wine-nine.

for some reason, I was under the impression radeonsi was a part of radeon kernel module and not amdgpu pro. The whole situation seems a bit of a mess with the naming convention.
amdgpu and radeon are the kernel mode drivers, radeonsi is the 3D driver which provides OpenGL interfaces which utilize the device via the kernel driver.

For what it's worth, I have AMDGPU-Pro installed, not the base AMDGPU package which is supposed to have some added improvements. I'm not sure how they're had but, amdgpu+radeonsi will only get you OpenGL 4.1 whereas AMDGPU-Pro gets me 4.5. Maybe AMD has their own 3D driver and isn't using radeonsi that sits on top of amdgpu?

Either way, performance in general isn't too bad. Cities: Skylines is actually far more tolerable now but, still chugs on larger cities. TF2 seems to stutter a bit but, can hold good frame rates. The console is complaining about a stall that might be caused by Compiz. Castle Story ran really well but, trees at a distance weren't rending until you got closer to them which is better than the practically unplayable state it was in with the radeon drivers.

All in all, I'm relatively satisfied with it, all things considered. It needs work but, what I'm seeing is promising.
 
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Yeah, I also thought mesa provided OpenGL, by installing mesa-git will get you up to opengl 4.3 on opensource drivers. I haven't found any good information to explain it all, but I haven't searched too much either.

EDIT: RadeonSI is the Gallium3D driver, mesa provides opengl, which gets called by the Gallium3D API. amdgpu and radeon are kernel modules. Clear as mud.
 

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Yeah, I also thought mesa provided OpenGL, by installing mesa-git will get you up to opengl 4.3 on opensource drivers. I haven't found any good information to explain it all, but I haven't searched too much either.

EDIT: RadeonSI is the Gallium3D driver, mesa provides opengl, which gets called by the Gallium3D API. amdgpu and radeon are kernel modules. Clear as mud.
This might help further clarify it, for me included.
 
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radeonsi and amdgpu are pretty much the same, the main difference is that amdgpu has the needed changes to use amdgpu-pro on top of it.
amdgpu-pro is a privative layer that brings the official AMD OpenGL,Vulkan and OpenCL acceleration, the same as the Windows driver.

So, both radeonsi and amdgpu has the same OpenGL acceleration, in a normal installation they only support OpenGL 4.1, but if you use the lattest code of LLVM and Clang from the git, you get 4.3 support. When distros ship the newer versions of LLVM and Clang, all GCN cards should be at 4.3 level.
If you want better performance and 4.5 support, amdgpu-pro is the only option.

https://mesamatrix.net/ check here to see the status of the open drivers, the winner for now is Intel, the only one with 4.5 support on Broadwell and newer. on radeonsi only 4 extensions are missing to reach 4.5.
 
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Installed Ubuntu on a spare HDD and surprisngly, I get better frame rates in almost all of my games with the opensource drivers. Valley performs better on AMDGPU Pro, but that was about it. Pillars of Eternity had higher frame rates, GRID, autosport was a lot better on open source.
 

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I keep getting this message when I tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log though.
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[ 11273.328] (WW) AMDGPU(0): amdgpu_dri2_flip_event_handler: Pageflip completion event has impossible msc 676207 < target_msc 676208
[ 11273.362] (WW) AMDGPU(0): amdgpu_dri2_flip_event_handler: Pageflip completion event has impossible msc 676209 < target_msc 676210
[ 11273.395] (WW) AMDGPU(0): amdgpu_dri2_flip_event_handler: Pageflip completion event has impossible msc 676211 < target_msc 676212
[ 11273.428] (WW) AMDGPU(0): amdgpu_dri2_flip_event_handler: Pageflip completion event has impossible msc 676213 < target_msc 676214

That seems to come up just as often as the message I was seeing in TF2. When stuff stops happening on the screen, the rate at which these show up slows down then stops. As soon as I do something again, they come rapid fire.

Edit: I also notice that X is contantly using almost 30% of one more at any given time. I wonder if the flip queue thing has anything to do with it.

Edit 2: When the messages briefly stop, the amount of CPU usage from X drops from 30% to more like 3%. Clearly something is going on...

Edit 3: I guess it could be this: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-February/101151.html
 
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I will check this when I get home, I did not recall any extra CPU usage though.
 
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There is some problem with TF2, in my case with radeonsi it crashes after some minutes, apparently it has something to do with the DRM as it doesn't fail with older kernel firmwares or with the old fglrx driver.
 

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Update! Civ 5 runs pretty well, I've been playing it a lot over the weekend. I installed DotA 2 where OpenGL runs pretty well but Vulkan runs smooth as butter (thanks to amdgpu-pro.) Cities: Skylines seems to be CPU bound but, is more playable than the radeon drivers. KSP runs very smoothly but there are appear to be issues with rendering some world textures. Castle Story runs pretty well but, shadows on trees at a distance just get blacked out but, goes away when the viewport gets closer to the rendered target.

Is it perfect? No. Is it an improvement? Sure is. :D
There is some problem with TF2, in my case with radeonsi it crashes after some minutes, apparently it has something to do with the DRM as it doesn't fail with older kernel firmwares or with the old fglrx driver.
TF2 was having an issue with stuttering and I was getting this message spammed in the console all the time. Disabling multi-core rendering seemed to mostly mitigate that problem. I figured I would bring it up since you mentioned TF2.
 
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Didn't work for me or the other users reporting the bug, apparently it will be fixed when the AMDGPU support arrives for all cards.
 

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Other than the DPM bug which on AMDGPU-Pro, seems to only impact my monitor that's on the Active DisplayPort to DVI adapter, my experience is starting to get half decent. I started using some repos with bleeding edge LLVM and Mesa. KSP now runs flawlessly, as does Castle Story. TF2 isn't perfect but, it's definitely more playable than it was before. Cities: Skylines doesn't seem to be any better though but, I think there is a pretty big CPU bottleneck there. Civ 5 runs well until you can see most of them map but, the amount of time it takes to end a turn seems to be faster in Linux but, that could just be placebo effect.

I think my experience would probably be a lot better if I wasn't running 3 monitors though (not across all 3 of course but, just simply using 3.) The third one on the active display port adapter seems to be problematic occasionally although, it's probably just the adapter acting up but, most of the time I don't notice it.
 

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But for simple users, I fear it will become more and more niche as generations come and go.
The thing is, windows setup doesn't ask "Are you a simple user?" and based on the answer decides whether to install CLI support or not. CLI is still there just in case user isn't simple.
I am sure in 100years that CLI will have gone the way I described.
That perspective towards CLI is always based on limited knowledge of all the different ways of CLI use.
It's understandable and very natural to think it will perish, when it seems useless.
Ultimately, GUI as a concept is with us for over 33 years ... shouldn't CLI be extinct already or at least on the way out?
Instead, both have advanced considerably together because they are complementary ... quite often same app has both cli and gui, because each have their uses.

But, what can I say, some people are automating processes using macro recording on gui apps :laugh: ... stuff I can't understand
 
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That perspective towards CLI is always based on limited knowledge of all the different ways of CLI use.
I've transformed output from a database query into queries to be made on a different kind of database using nothing more than sed, awk, grep, and pipes. Our sysadmin at work would probably have just used perl... oh wait. Lets try to do this in the GUI now. :D

Stellaris runs flawlessly in Ubuntu with AMDGPU-Pro btw.

Edit: For what it's worth, I tried going to the latest 4.8 kernel release but, I couldn't compile AMDGPU-Pro with it, the amdgpu-pro source didn't like the kernel version. Too bad because there are reports that 4.8.X fixes the issue I've had that requires me to push full clocks all the time to keep it stable (and artifact free.) Having that fixed would be a huge plus for me.
 
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I've transformed output from a database query into queries to be made on a different kind of database using nothing more than sed, awk, grep, and pipes. Our sysadmin at work would probably have just used perl...
That's great, regular expressions FTW :laugh: ... I have known many engineers who don't use regular expressions ... because they secretly don't understand them :D
 

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I have known many engineers who don't use regular expressions ... because they secretly don't get it :D
I'm switching jobs and at work (current,) we're looking for a replacement. Not thinking regex is important will lose them the job in my opinion.
 

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Software MacOS 12.1
Another update, AMD has released AMDGPU-Pro 16.40 (last version was 16.30.) Going to throw it on and see where it gets me. :D

Edit: Some things worth noting.
  1. Don't try to update amdgpu-pro in place. Bad things happen that will require you to purge all of the amdgpu-pro packages between 2 restarts, then one last one to get the new version installed again if you do. It will also give you trouble unless you reboot after every little thing you do.
  2. The issue I was having with artifacts on my primary display appear to have gone away with this version. It doesn't appear to be idling as low as it would in Windows but, it at least can idle now, dropped idle consumption by 50 watts when it would have been 100 to be on par with Windows. FWIW, this is the kind of usage I used to see when I would overclock VRAM at idle where VRAM would hold the new clock and not downclock it. I suspect that the new version of AMDGPU-Pro keeps VRAM clocked up when driving more than one display which makes complete sense as someone did narrow down the problem to the kernel altering VRAM clocks and hacking out the VRAM downclocking code in the kernel had eliminated the problem so maybe the driver is doing this now?
Actually, after further inspection, it appears the new version of AMDGPU-Pro is keeping memory clocked up like I suspected but, not the the core clock. To be completely honest, I prefer this as a short term fix until people start running with the 4.8 kernel or 4.9 when it comes out when AMDGPU (not pro,) should be getting unlocked for CIK parts as I believe the newest kernel (4.8.3?) solves this problem outside of driver space.

Code:
root@Kratos:/sys/kernel/debug/dri/0# cat amdgpu_pm_info
uvd disabled
vce disabled
power level avg    sclk: 30000 mclk: 150000
GPU load: 0 %

I'm pretty thrilled that I don't have to run to run this anymore after boot. :)
Code:
echo high > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_force_performance_level

Edit 2: Valley benchmark score increased by about 100 points or ~3 FPS.
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Side note: While most of the graphical artifacts at the desktop and at decent FPS are either non-existant or barely noticeable, when you're running an application that is CPU bound, you get some weird tearing-like effects which still go away with the echo high statement above. So, is this release an improvement? Most definitely yes. Is it perfect? definitely not.
 
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