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Looks awesome, combat anatomy 101. I like some of the new things you can do, like sniping the brace of a sniper platform to make them fall to their death. I'm hoping the alpha phase will involve more than touching up graphics though. The AI seem too oblivious (5:00 mark 1st vid) or slow to react when at close range (rushing them face to face from 15' too easy). I did notice however that whistle luring from bushed doesn't always work, so that's a good sign that there will be suspicion levels even when you're cover isn't blown. Overall stealth looks too easy to exploit thus far though, especially from the bushes. Animations also need polish, and looting is way too slow.


 
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there's a zombie campaign for this, right? just like the rest of the series
 

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there's a zombie campaign for this, right? just like the rest of the series

The Zombie Army Trilogy was a standalone spin off based on the same mechanics and characters of the series, but it wasn't built into the Sniper Elite games; its not like Zombie mode and the CoD games.

I doubt there's any more zombie coming for Sniper Elite, but I would be perfectly happy to be wrong about it.
 
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Okay, now I really like the Sniper Elite Franchise, specifically Nazi zombies. It's really cool, coop works well, fun etc.

I'm so tired of their keeping of the weapons and basically just reskinning the games at this point. I need something new. Set it in another war, have a different protagonist in a different country, something.
 

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Never played a Sniper Elite game, but the ideology of a sniper is always fascinating.
 
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Never played a Sniper Elite game, but the ideology of a sniper is always fascinating.
Try Sniper Ghost Warrior . Maybe you will like it. I sure did not :(
 

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rushing them face to face from 15' too easy

Actually 15' is the distance from which an assailant with a knife has a very good chance of stabbing someone with a pistol before they can get a round off. It's been tested time and again in training, and verified many times in real life. That's the reason police are authorized to use deadly force on someone that close with a knife.

@Cvrk have you tried Sniper Ghost Warrior 2? It was much better done in practically every way.
 
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Actually 15' is the distance from which an assailant with a knife has a very good chance of stabbing someone with a pistol before they can get a round off. It's been tested time and again in training, and verified many times in real life. That's the reason police are authorized to use deadly force on someone that close with a knife.

I don't buy that, and I've spoken with police detectives whom have worked in my community, one of whom used to be S.W.A.T., and they ALWAYS exaggerate for the purpose of avoiding tactics like tasers coming back. They came back anyway, and have proven to be effective. We're seeing people all over the US outraged now because of constant over use of unnecessary lethal response by police, including NFL athletes now.

Anyways, regarding the game, it's easy to see just from the vids that the response by enemies when rushing them is way too slow, that's the main point. You don't need any suspect claims of police in real life to see that. This is especially true of enemies with rifle in hand, which would always be the case for any troops guarding such an important facility as a rail gun. They should at the very least be reacting with a swift rifle butt, but they just stand there like deer dazed by headlights.

Another way to look at it, is when your cover is blown, instantly you'll see the nearest guard rushing you and firing at you, yet when you rush them with plenty time for them to see you and react, they just stand there. There's a serious inconsistency there. They shouldn't be so clueless when still in a state of stealth. The state of stealth should end the moment a guard sees you rushing him, but the AI don't respond in accordance to that.

Even SE 3 had a moment where a circle would fill after being detected, but during that time, the person whom saw you would be taking action, not just standing there. They need to get this resolved.
 

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I don't buy that, and I've spoken with police detectives whom have worked in my community, one of whom used to be S.W.A.T., and they ALWAYS exaggerate for the purpose of avoiding tactics like tasers coming back. They came back anyway, and have proven to be effective. We're seeing people all over the US outraged now because of constant over use of unnecessary lethal response by police, including NFL athletes now

Dude, without bringing my personal business into it, you are speaking like a clueless civilian. You've "talked to people" is no substitute for training and personal experience.

Trust me, this is an area I am an expert on.
 

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15'

About 4 strides.

Rabid nutter with a machete reaching me in 4 strides?

I'd have shot him before he got out of bed that morning just to be sure.

As for the game - I need a good co-op for when I don't initially buy BF1.
 
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Dude, without bringing my personal business into it, you are speaking like a clueless civilian. You've "talked to people" is no substitute for training and personal experience.

Trust me, this is an area I am an expert on.
Nah man, I've shot guns in a video game, I know I could shoot him before he'd get to me. :rolleyes:
 
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Dude, without bringing my personal business into it, you are speaking like a clueless civilian. You've "talked to people" is no substitute for training and personal experience.

Trust me, this is an area I am an expert on.

Your dude bro tone, "I'm an expert at this" only makes it all the more obvious. We wouldn't be seeing people outraged all over the country if not for this kind of arrogance.

You're taking this way beyond the realm of AI reaction time is out of context too, and at this point, you're even getting out of line. I'm about a tick away from putting you on my ignore list.

Drop the police crap, it has nothing to do with the game, and only stirs up an already uncomfortable topic, which you seem to be clueless about. Most police don't give a damn about the poor, they're just political pawns that do what they're told without much thought.
Nah man, I've shot guns in a video game, I know I could shoot him before he'd get to me. :rolleyes:
It's rather nonsensical he even equated real life to video games, and he didn't even do a good job of that. If you can't even rifle butt, pistol whip, or use some kind of dodge or hand to hand counter when you see someone with a knife take off at you from 15' away though, clearly you are not trained well and have no business being a military guard, or cop for that matter.

And it's not just the end result, it's that these guards don't react at all most of the time. That is very unrealistic. Whether you argue realism or not though, if you don't even have to sneak up behind someone, it makes it too easy to play. You boys can play your easy so called cop sims and be happy with them though I guess. Friggin clueless.

Excuse me if I like a little actual challenge in my games, instead of arcade crap with easy AI.
 
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I'm talking reaction time, that unless you've been there repeatedly, you don't know. Apparently the devs have actually done their research, and understand the topic.

As to being clueless about current events, believe me no one on this forum is more aware of that than me.

Finally, go ahead and put me on ignore. It won't bother me, and only exposes how someone of your age has failed to mature enough to recognize that other people actually know about subjects you don't.
 
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I'm talking reaction time, that unless you've been there repeatedly, you don't know. Apparently the devs have actually done their research, and understand the topic.

As to being clueless about current events, believe me no one on this forum is more aware of that than me.

Finally, go ahead and put me on ignore. It won't bother me, and only exposes how someone of your age has failed to mature enough to recognize that other people actually know about subjects you don't.
Duh, of course it's reaction time. I've had a guy rush me at a Y I was at from 15' away. I was turned the other direction and didn't even hear him until he was 10' away, yet I managed to turn around, extend a leg, lean away from him, and brush him to the side as he stumbled and fell into the lockers. He was bigger and heavier than me and had his fist poised to strike. If that fist had been a knife, it wouldn't have even touched me, let alone killed me. I also have no training in such things. When the police came and I described the situation, they all agreed I'd done the right thing, and the guy was banned from the place.

Cops are trained on the side of over caution and paranoia, which is why they often resort to lethal force when it's unnecessary. You can go on acting clueless and ignore that fact, and use it as false examples where it has no place, but most minorities and poor in this country are standing up against it, with the help of celebrities and pro athletes now, like it or not. The time of the selfish and senseless redneck is coming to an end, and that's not even coming from a liberal.

Yeah I'll def put you on ignore, same as your puppies Guitar and INSTG8TR. I don't like explaining common sense things to those whom are spoon fed police state propaganda, fall for it, then pretend people that don't buy into it are idiots.
 
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Leave it up to some neckbeard with no real life experience to get pissy about things and ruin a thread.

Back on topic....

Per my previous post, I just really don't think I can buy this game if they don't do any weapon changes or upgrade. I can just go back and play the other games if I want the Sniper Elite experience; the level design isn't a huge thing for me, so just having new maps does nothing for me unfortunately -- and even if I was big on that, it is still the same type of setting/story once again, so meh.
 

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Per my previous post, I just really don't think I can buy this game if they don't do any weapon changes or upgrade. I can just go back and play the other games if I want the Sniper Elite experience; the level design isn't a huge thing for me, so just having new maps does nothing for me unfortunately.

Gotta agree there. It is likely to just be a bare fabric of a story, and simply a new environment, which doesn't bode well for it's success.

I'll still keep an eye on it for changes upcoming as it gets closer to release.
 

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LOL I get to be on ignore and I didn't even post until now...:rolleyes:
I have a couple of Sniper Elites and really the formula is getting a little stale...
 

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I agree, so I'll say this as it relates to what is seen in the gameplay vids of the game. Clearly the reaction to being rushed is not on par with what was said about how police are trained. These are soldiers, trained for response in a state of war, not every day life. If anything their response should be even more lethal than that of police. So what was said about police only proves my point. The reaction is not adequate or realistic. This is not about what can happen when a guy with a knife rushes you, it's about how military are trained to deal with it.

Sorry if I overreacted a bit about comments on police. I've met quite a few and I know some DO want police training reform. It's just that these are sad times right now in the US with people getting killed needlessly. Worse yet, after just having watched the 1st presidential debate and seeing all the finger pointing, I'm not too confident it will be resolved anytime soon.

Overall though, this game looks good to me so far, and worth playing. I didn't mean to say the rush attacks were a deal breaker, just that they could use more realism, even if just damage to the player. Certainly shouldn't be a can do it every time with little to no harm to yourself thing.
 
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Thank you for that, and I appreciate the nudge, since my statement was completely on topic. I regret that someone else decided to politicize it.

Why was it on topic? Why did I mention police? Because that soldier in the video getting completely overwhelmed by someone 15' away is completely realistic. Major police departments and U.S. Federal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. train on these exact scenarios time and again, both in 360 degree computer training simulators, as well as live action with role players, using skilled knife and club wielders. That 15 feet is well within the 21 feet that is the reaction space needed. Less than 50% of officers are able to get a shot off at an attacker at less than 21 feet, and 14% of those are accurate hits even among trained individuals. Until one faces this life and death scenario, with adrenalin flowing, which severely restricts vision and fine motor skills, you cannot possibly comprehend why in the game that soldier is overwhelmed from a 15 foot charge.

Which brings me to soldiers. The perception was voiced earlier that police involvement in such situations is a bad example because it was implied their training is less than soldiers. It is, on certain subjects. A platoon of soldiers and a platoon of cops, both told to assault an objective and occupy it will see the soldiers do much better. Soldiers however, do not receive that kind of close-in training firearms training. Only a very few in the U.S. at least, consisting of Military Police and elite SpecOps forces receive close in combat training like that on a regular basis, and for the SpecOps forces, it is as an aggressor, like the sniper in the game, not as on on the receiving end of a charge. So, to hold up soldiers as a paragon of training and assume they would not be overwhelmed like that is uninformed outsider fallacy, from lack of actual experience and training. People would be surprised at the level of training of the majority of troops in any modern nation. This was magnified in the WW2 scenario of the game, with specialized training being even less.

So you see, I politicized nothing. I offered up THE single best example of the group that is most trained for these situations, and is still woefully in danger at distances of 15 feet.
 
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I'm glad you both agree it was starting to get out of hand. My reaction time is within 15 posts, and I didn't have to give out any points to resolve the issue. ;)

I have a couple of these games from steam sales, and I've never even installed them. I do look forward to playing them one day.. lol I just need more time in a day.
 

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I have a couple of these games from steam sales, and I've never even installed them. I do look forward to playing them one day.. lol I just need more time in a day.

When you get the chance, you probably will enjoy them. They collectively are some of the best arcade sniper mechanics in games.

The x-Ray bullet path graphics that occasionally show up on some shots as they hit a soldier (or a zombie in the nazi zombie trilogy) are pretty cool the first few times. After that I find they get old.
 
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So there's no zombies whatsoever ?
 

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So there's no zombies whatsoever ?

No, they've always been separate games that use all the same mechanics and graphics, titled Nazi Zombie Army, NZA 2, etc.
 
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