Upgrading my RIG. First time going into INTEL. Need help.

[Kanan]

Then the GTX 1070 is off the table I guess.

It's your choice, you can go with i5 6500 or 6600K and a RX480/GTX1060. If money wise 6500 + 1070 is the same as 6600K + 1060, I would go for the first if you can pay it. Prices in argentina seem to be 80%+ more compared to US. Wow.

 

[Greenmousa]

Then the GTX 1070 is off the table I guess.

It's your choice, you can go with i5 6500 or 6600K and a RX480/GTX1060. If money wise 6500 + 1070 is the same as 6600K + 1060, I would go for the first if you can pay it. Prices in argentina seem to be 80%+ more compared to US. Wow.

ikr? it's fucked up. The only thing with your suggestion is that high end graphics like the 1070 may go even more expensive since the stock is relatively low, there's very little demand for stuff like that, usually you order it and wait for it.

 

[Kanan]

Okay.
I'm not a big fan of the GTX 1060, I would certainly take a 6600k/6500 and a RX 480 then (Sapphire or XFX).

 

[slozomby]

What rock you live under

No current triple A game runs only a single core

Hell alot of games fail to load on dual cores let alone single

I stand corrected. in order to get 60fps at 1080p ultra in fallout 4 I had to turn on a second core. and doom wouldn't go higher than 1366x768 with 2 cores in vulkan mode.

 

[alucasa]

I'd say 6600k and 1060. For 1080p gaming, 1060 is all you need really. I'd say k-version just in case you wish to OC it. Though, if you do choose 6500, you can save a lot by not having to go with Z170 mobo.

 

[Greenmousa]

Okay.
I'm not a big fan of the GTX 1060, I would certainly take a 6600k/6500 and a RX 480 then (Sapphire or XFX).

Any reason why not 1060 6gb? I mean, what specifically you don't like other that the laughable 3gb version, that serves no niche whatsoever.

 

[Kanan]

Any reason why not 1060 6gb? I mean, what specifically you don't like other that the laughable 3gb version, that serves no niche whatsoever.

Because it's inferior in DX12/Vulkan and I don't buy a GPU for a old API (DX11) if I want to hold it for 2+ years. RX 480 is simply a GPU with a lot of untapped power - and that power is unleashed in DX12/Vulkan. The way I see it AMD GPUs are good for the long run, whereas Nvidia ones are fast now, but slower later. There are a lot of examples for that, most famous is R9 290X vs 780 Ti or 7970 (280x) vs 680/770 (R9 380(X) vs 960 and soon RX 480 vs 1060).

New example of DX12:
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-amd-gpus-benchmarked-forza-horizon-3/

That RX 470 is faster than a 1060.

 

[slozomby]

Because it's inferior in DX12/Vulkan and I don't buy a GPU for a old API (DX11) if I want to hold it for 2+ years. RX 480 is simply a GPU with a lot of untapped power - and that power is unleashed in DX12/Vulkan. The way I see it AMD GPUs are good for the long run, whereas Nvidia ones are fast now, but slower later. There are a lot of examples for that, most famous is R9 290X vs 780 Ti or 7970 (280x) vs 680/770 (R9 380(X) vs 960 and soon RX 480 vs 1060).

New example of DX12:
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-amd-gpus-benchmarked-forza-horizon-3/

That RX 470 is faster than a 1060.

and yet here is another article from there where the 480 and 1060 trade the lead.
http://wccftech.com/rx-480-gtx-1060-dx12-vulkan-tested/

whats confusing is this post from the other forza thread

Game is kinda beta, it's just a mess. Kepler isn't really supported and "Ultra" doesn't change anything visually but eats 50%+ FPS away. Fury X is slower than RX 470 @ Ultra 1080p but faster in 4K (High) again compared to RX 470. I hope it has a DX11 mode too, it's yet another bad implementation of DX12 it seems.

 

[Kanan]

and yet here is another article from there where the 480 and 1060 trade the lead.
http://wccftech.com/rx-480-gtx-1060-dx12-vulkan-tested/

whats confusing is this post from the other forza thread

It's (RX 480) clearly faster in 3 games and in the other games about equal. Your link just proves me right, thanks. And in 2 years the RX 480 is probably 20% faster than 1060 - history proves me right.

Before this thread is derailed: do what you want I don't have the time for childish Nvidia vs AMD debates. Typical users here with Nvidia GPUs will come and comment that 1060 is faster, but as you can see I own a Nvidia GPU myself and still I dont recommend a 1060.

 

[ixi]

I won't wait for Zen, i've been waiting for AMD's "OH THIS IS IT MAN, THIS IS IT!! GROUNDBREAKING SHIT RIGHT HERE" and then nothing happened, this entire build that i'm currently using i would call it "MANTLE HYPE" Remember Mantle? Yeah.

I see what you mean. Do you think a 6600k would need overclock in order to not bottleneck the vga?

Intel quads right now will not be bottle-neck for anygame. Except those quads which runs under 3.0 ghz, those maybe.

 

[evernessince]

If you're only doing 1080p might as well get an RX 470. At $150 it's by far the best value and it's only a bit slower than the RX 480 / 1060.

FYI on Zen, AMD have already shown it beating Intel's top of the line processor so it's likely to be good. If Zen fails to compete it's very possible that AMD will fold and Intel will have a complete CPU monopoly and Nvidia a GPU monopoly. I would wait for Zen, even if it isn't good it's likely to cut CPU prices in half when it comes out.

 

[Greenmousa]

Everytime i read "VULKAN IS THE FUTURE" i can only think about the MANTLE fiasco. I've been let down by AMD before, as i said, i've always built AMD machines, i'm all for team red, but lately i started to wonder if it's not beat wife syndrome and i just don't know any better. Know what i mean? I've always picked AMD because of the $ - Performance ratio, it's all about the value.

 

[Kanan]

Everytime i read "VULKAN IS THE FUTURE" i can only think about the MANTLE fiasco. I've been let down by AMD before, as i said, i've always built AMD machines, i'm all for team red, but lately i started to wonder if it's not beat wife syndrome and i just don't know any better. Know what i mean? I've always picked AMD because of the $ - Performance ratio, it's all about the value.

1) Mantle is not Vulcan. Vulcan is the successor to OpenGL, not a stand alone exclusive AMD thing like Mantle. Every GPU supports Vulcan - that is the biggest difference.
2) Zen will be good, I'm sure. If you don't believe, it's your problem - I do.
3) Go and buy Intel / Nvidia then, I will laugh later when the 1060 is slower than even a RX 470 like the other Nvidia GPUs before it. 780 Ti, 680/770, 960, 970 (vs R9 390). And the 980 is starting to fall apart aswell - loses more and more to 290X/390X.

One thing more: the RX 480 has 2304 shaders whereas the 1060 has only 1280. The only thing thats holds the RX 480 back from completely destroying the 1060 is the lower clock. In games with new API (DX12 / Vulcan) the 1060 isn't better. How many links do you want to see? I thought 2 are enough.

 

[luciferxy]

... it's all about the value.

if that's what matter the most for you, then the 1060 may not be the right choice. nvidia gpus quickly loose their value (resale & performance wise) when new arch comes out. Performance optimization (driver) is also poor on older arch gpus.

 

[Vario]

The way I see it AMD GPUs are good for the long run, whereas Nvidia ones are fast now, but slower later. There are a lot of examples for that, most famous is R9 290X vs 780 Ti or 7970 (280x) vs 680/770 (R9 380(X) vs 960 and soon RX 480 vs 1060).

That's total bullshit.

if that's what matter the most for you, then the 1060 may not be the right choice. nvidia gpus quickly loose their value (resale & performance wise) when new arch comes out. Performance optimization (driver) is also poor on older arch gpus.

No difference with AMD. The only exception to this rule was the litecoin bubble which inflated the value of AMD VGA's until late 2013. Both manufacturer's lose value when new architectures are released. They also both have similar staying power.

There isn't really that much of a difference between Radeon and Nvidia in terms of "fast now slow later" or "expensive now cheap later".

 

[Kanan]

What have I said? This is derailed into a Nvidia vs AMD childish shit soon, and here we go:

That's total bullshit.

You are unable to argument, so what you tried is bullshit, nothing more. What I said holds true, because it's simply a fact.

There isn't really that much of a difference between Radeon and Nvidia in terms of "fast now slow later" or "expensive now cheap later".

That's bullshit. I already said what happened. Old AMD GPUs that were equal or even slower than Nvidia GPUs of the same generation are faster than their Nvidia counterparts now. 290(X) (also 390/390X) compared to 780 Ti and 970/980, 280X/7970, 285/380(X). Even Fury X looks a bit better every day compared to 980 Ti. And the 1060 will be the next victim.

Nice try, trash talker.

btw. I'm OUT of here. Topic is already answered anyway, now it's derailed into a childish and fruitless debate, I don't have the time for this shit. You can buy what you want. The facts are layed out.

 

[Greenmousa]

It would really suck if this becomes a brand war guys. Keep it friendly.

 

[Greenmousa]

By the way the thread is not answered, as i stated before, i have no idea on Intel Motherboards, and i really need advice, about chipset and stuff.

 

[FireFox]

What have I said? This is derailed into a Nvidia vs AMD childish shit soon, and here we go:

It would really suck if this becomes a brand war guys. Keep it friendly.

In any Thread where you mention
Intel + AMD or Nvidia +AMD this kind of things will always happen, there will be an Intel, Nvidia or AMD Fanboy that will want to intensify this 'war', better not to mix those two names together in a Thread.

 

[tabascosauz]

@Greenmousa Here, why don't we keep it simple.

CPU: 6600K, has no problems whatsoever with a GTX 1060 or RX 480, OC or not to OC, that is up to you once you get your rig. 6600K stock (and 6400/6500, more so) will undoubtedly fall short of an i7 in big games when paired with a GTX 1070 (but not so much that I would call it a bottleneck), but you don't have a GTX 1070, so all is well.

GPU: GTX 1060 or RX 480.

1. Is the GTX 1060 ridiculously expensive? If so, buy the RX 480. If not, proceed to 2.

2. Are both the GTX 1060 and RX 480 ridiculously expensive? If so, flip a coin and buy whichever wins, or settle for a RX 470.

3. Are they both reasonably priced? If so, flip a coin and buy whichever wins.

Some of you need to stop jumping at every opportunity to promote/bash AMD/Nvidia. Truth is, it doesn't matter what kind of performance the RX 480 is speculated to gain/lose. OP comes from a HD 7870. You bet your ass that either one is going to be a massive jump in performance @ 1080p that he can't help but notice. And if he's a level-headed consumer as opposed to a hardline fanboy, he's going to be sitting back and enjoying his new games while you bicker about how the GTX 1060 lost 10 fps down from 20 fps in the latest DX12 test and the RX 480 lost 7 fps down from 16 fps.

Now, I was making a point about choosing between the GTX 1060 and RX 480. Your choice will depend on more than just that. AIB cards for the GTX 1060 are generally of a wider variety, so if you need a GPU that is small and short, the GTX 1060 will be your best bet as EVGA and Zotac for example make rather short cards. With the RX 480 you will have tougher luck as I think it's the higher TDP that necessitates a larger PCB, but you do get nicely built cards from Sapphire and XFX for example if compactness is not something you value in your cards. XFX offers a reference RX 480 blower-type that comes with a backplate, something you don't see every day from AMD.

I'm sure you're aware but be aware of the difference between the 3GB and 6GB 1060. Core config is different between the two cards, and for example on Amazon it can be quite confusing to distinguish between the two from rather ambiguous seller product titles.

 

[JalleR]

If you play AI intense games a i7 is worth the money,

If you want a more future proof system go with the i7.
If you want full scale Overclocking Z170 is the chipset to chose for an 6700K

Regarding Graphics cards go for the cheapest, Rx480/1060, No one can predict the future and now the 1060 is the best choice if the prices are the same. based on my experience i would lean towards the 1060 6GB

 

[Greenmousa]

@Greenmousa Here, why don't we keep it simple.

CPU: 6600K, has no problems whatsoever with a GTX 1060 or RX 480, OC or not to OC, that is up to you once you get your rig. 6600K stock (and 6400/6500, more so) will undoubtedly fall short of an i7 in big games when paired with a GTX 1070 (but not so much that I would call it a bottleneck), but you don't have a GTX 1070, so all is well.

GPU: GTX 1060 or RX 480.

1. Is the GTX 1060 ridiculously expensive? If so, buy the RX 480. If not, proceed to 2.

2. Are both the GTX 1060 and RX 480 ridiculously expensive? If so, flip a coin and buy whichever wins, or settle for a RX 470.

3. Are they both reasonably priced? If so, flip a coin and buy whichever wins.

Some of you need to stop jumping at every opportunity to promote/bash AMD/Nvidia. Truth is, it doesn't matter what kind of performance the RX 480 is speculated to gain/lose. OP comes from a HD 7870. You bet your ass that either one is going to be a massive jump in performance @ 1080p that he can't help but notice. And if he's a level-headed consumer as opposed to a hardline fanboy, he's going to be sitting back and enjoying his new games while you bicker about how the GTX 1060 lost 10 fps down from 20 fps in the latest DX12 test and the RX 480 lost 7 fps down from 16 fps.

Now, I was making a point about choosing between the GTX 1060 and RX 480. Your choice will depend on more than just that. AIB cards for the GTX 1060 are generally of a wider variety, so if you need a GPU that is small and short, the GTX 1060 will be your best bet as EVGA and Zotac for example make rather short cards. With the RX 480 you will have tougher luck as I think it's the higher TDP that necessitates a larger PCB, but you do get nicely built cards from Sapphire and XFX for example if compactness is not something you value in your cards. XFX offers a reference RX 480 blower-type that comes with a backplate, something you don't see every day from AMD.

I'm sure you're aware but be aware of the difference between the 3GB and 6GB 1060. Core config is different between the two cards, and for example on Amazon it can be quite confusing to distinguish between the two from rather ambiguous seller product titles.

This is helpful yeah. Basically when it comes to the GPU i gues money will do the talking and availability. I'm well aware of the difference between the 3 and 6 gigs, thx.

I will still however play at 1080 @60fps, so again, as long as it pulls 60fps i won't consider it a propper bottleneck, and i'm light years away from changing my monitor.

Could you elaborate on what chipset should i buy? Or intel manufacturer for good mothers, i had my share of learning while purchasing AMD boards, and eventually consider Gigabyte to be the best for the red team, rock solid performers at a great price point, i don't know how is it on the intel side.

If you play AI intense games a i7 is worth the money,

If you want a more future proof system go with the i7.
If you want full scale Overclocking Z170 is the chipset to chose for an 6700K

Regarding Graphics cards go for the cheapest, Rx480/1060, No one can predict the future and now the 1060 is the best choice if the prices are the same. based on my experience i would lean towards the 1060 6GB

Thanks, same question here, would you care to elaborate on the motherboards?

Also general question, should i go for DDR4 rams??

 

[Estaric]

Get at least i7 6700(k) if you plan to stay longer with this new cpu.

6600K is ok and all, but 4threads is 4..

No offense but the extra 4 threads dont do much in gaming alot of benchmarks say so

 

[alucasa]

If you go with 6600k, you'd want Z170 motherboard. Z170 costs pretty penny. If OC isn't in your interest, just pick one with features you want.

For an example, I went for non-k i7 6700 with a cheapo H110 motherboard. Asrock is my favorite motherboard brand.

 

[Toothless]

This is helpful yeah. Basically when it comes to the GPU i gues money will do the talking and availability. I'm well aware of the difference between the 3 and 6 gigs, thx.

I will still however play at 1080 @60fps, so again, as long as it pulls 60fps i won't consider it a propper bottleneck, and i'm light years away from changing my monitor.

Could you elaborate on what chipset should i buy? Or intel manufacturer for good mothers, i had my share of learning while purchasing AMD boards, and eventually consider Gigabyte to be the best for the red team, rock solid performers at a great price point, i don't know how is it on the intel side.




Thanks, same question here, would you care to elaborate on the motherboards?

Also general question, should i go for DDR4 rams??

You kinda have to go with DDR4 with Skylake.