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I am always going for ASUS, but Gigabyte is also good quality boards, Asrock should be good as well but I don't have any personal experiences with them.

DDR4 is the future and there is only a few DDR3 Boards for Skylake, but performance wise it is the same. maybe 1% her and there (in gaming and general programs)
 
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Do you think a 6600k would need overclock in order to not bottleneck the vga?

I'm running a i5 6500 with GTX1070, works perfectly fine.
 
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If you go with 6600k, you'd want Z170 motherboard. Z170 costs pretty penny. If OC isn't in your interest, just pick one with features you want.

For an example, I went for non-k i7 6700 with a cheapo H110 motherboard. Asrock is my favorite motherboard brand.

What's the difference? Bigger headroom for overclock? stuff like that? I usually don't Oc that much, at most i might disable the power boost and stuff like that 'cause i hate to see the frecuency jump around like crazy, my 8320 is stuck at 4.0, been that way for years, when it could go up and down in frequency, being myself an Alt-Tabber gamer, man it drove me crazy.

You kinda have to go with DDR4 with Skylake.

I figured that much, yeah. Thanks.
 
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Intel has disabled OCing on non-OC chipsets. So, Z170 is the only chipset Intel officially allows OC. That's why.

This is what happens when AMD is so far behind sadly.
 
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Intel has disabled OCing on non-OC chipsets. So, Z170 is the only chipset Intel officially allows OC. That's why.

This is what happens when AMD is so far behind sadly.
Wtf i didn't knew that. That's fucked up.
 
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Well, those who knew how things were, yeah, it's fucked. But for new kids who are just entering the scene, I guess this is norm to them. It's been this way for a while.

No more grabbing cheap Intel CPUs and OC the fuck outta it and match high-end CPU. The fun is long gone and CPUs became so good that I don't bother OCing anymore.
 
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Wtf i didn't knew that. That's fucked up.

I'm running an older BIOS so if I wanted I could still OC my non-k CPU with changing the BCLK.
You just need an older BIOS for it to work.
 
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Well, those who knew how things were, yeah, it's fucked. But for new kids who are just entering the scene, I guess this is norm to them. It's been this way for a while.

No more grabbing cheap Intel CPUs and OC the fuck outta it and match high-end CPU. The fun is long gone and CPUs became so good that I don't bother OCing anymore.

Pretty much what i thought, yeah. CPUs got so good that overclocking is more like trying to squeeze out every penny out of it. Seriously i just want to slap the damn thing inside the case and be done with it. I had my fair share of tinkering around CPUs an over volts when i was younger hahah
 

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I'm running a i5 6500 with GTX1070, works perfectly fine.

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I am running 2 x Xeon X5677 ( old Gen) with an EVGA GTX 1080 Classified, so far it works more than perfectly, so a 6600K
( new Gen ) will be more than enough.
 
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No offense but the extra 4 threads dont do much in gaming alot of benchmarks say so

Oh yes they do, also lower overall cpu usage.. I bought i7 4770k 3years ago and good that I did, atm 4.7ghz it slices through everything, still. I will keep it for another 2-3yrs for sure.
 

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So OP have like $1000 for making it?
Motherboard, Ram, Processor and new video card?

stop the war beteen AMD and intel and help the op people come on ...

Regards,
 
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This is helpful yeah. Basically when it comes to the GPU i gues money will do the talking and availability. I'm well aware of the difference between the 3 and 6 gigs, thx.

I will still however play at 1080 @60fps, so again, as long as it pulls 60fps i won't consider it a propper bottleneck, and i'm light years away from changing my monitor.

Could you elaborate on what chipset should i buy? Or intel manufacturer for good mothers, i had my share of learning while purchasing AMD boards, and eventually consider Gigabyte to be the best for the red team, rock solid performers at a great price point, i don't know how is it on the intel side.

A little bit different on the Intel side. On AM3+ all the manufacturers were using terrible components for power delivery and Gigabyte was providing somewhat better parts than the others.

I swear by Gigabyte because Gigabyte swears by matte black PCBs on their higher end mini-ITX boards, which are the ones I buy. But I will concede that Gigabyte boards don't have all the bells and whistles, and the BIOS is not as intuitive as Asus for example.

I recommend GB (H97N-WIFI, Z97MX-Gaming 5, and H81M-S2PV). But I would also like to give Asus a try, if nothing but to try out their BIOS. I have a 7-series ASRock board that's still going strong (Z77 Extreme3), and a MSI one that died (H81I, but mostly because it was a cheap board and my rig's purposes were a little too much for its entry-level manufacture).

All in all, your computer will not melt/explode/catch fire on the blue side of the fence if you choose a low quality board, so when it comes to AIBs you are basically choosing based on features, durability and brand loyalty.

While you don't want to overclock, just remember that it's the same as AMD; the higher you go in price bracket, generally the better the board is (quite possibly) the longer it will last.


@JalleR pretty sure that is not how it works...you turn off hyperthreading and not by disabling 4 cores. Also that logic does not make any sense, as AMD's Piledriver architecture is vastly different to Intel Core and is miles behind Skylake on a per-core basis, 4 Piledriver "cores"/"half-modules" is not equivalent to 4 Skylake cores. There's going to be a significant difference in performance between his 8320 @ stock and a 6600K @ stock in games where CPU matters.
 
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Regarding i5 vs i7 you can try to disable 4 cors on your current cpu and see how it acts, (my info says the one you have now is 8 cors right?)

If your games only supports up to 4 cors then it should not change any performance. what are you gaming btw.?
 

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So OP have like $1000 for making it?
Motherboard, Ram, Processor and new video card?

stop the war beteen AMD and intel and help the op people come on ...

Regards,

I have said mine already
 
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Since when?

Idk for the last 5-6yrs, not all but a lot with proper multi threading..


By some games its minimal, while by others up to 12fps+ difference no HT vs HT.

Skyrim or Fallout4 runs faster with 8 threads, quite funny since its not very threaded engine.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ntel-haswell-i7-4770k-i5-4670k-review-18.html

Crysis3, JustCause3, ID5,6 engine, few U3E & U4E games, MT engine, Glacier engine, frostbyte2,... All can benefit from more threads.

GTA5 also
i7

http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/5-ge...0k-3770k-4770k-5775c-6700k-gaming-comparison/

vs

i5

http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/ever...-lynnfield-to-skylake-7-years-of-i5-goodness/

Even older COD WAW benefits from more threads while playing MP lol :D, I was like wut?




Anyway, this should be the most interesting for thread starter:

FX3820 @ 4.2 and 4.8ghz vs i5 6400
http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/the-benchmarks-part-4-amd-fx-vs-intel-skylake/
 

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I won't wait for Zen, i've been waiting for AMD's "OH THIS IS IT MAN, THIS IS IT!! GROUNDBREAKING SHIT RIGHT HERE" and then nothing happened, this entire build that i'm currently using i would call it "MANTLE HYPE" Remember Mantle? Yeah.

I see what you mean. Do you think a 6600k would need overclock in order to not bottleneck the vga?

I have defected to Intel for many things, but I am waiting for Zen for my own gaming rig. Like you, I don't have serious gaming demands (think 4k @120 refresh) and I am confident that Zen will be competent for my CPU needs. I'll go up to either 1440p or 4k when the time comes, but that is mostly handled by the GPU. AMD's Zen won't be the bottleneck.

It is right around the corner...
 
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Idk for the last 5-6yrs, not all but a lot with proper multi threading..


By some games its minimal, while by others up to 12fps+ difference no HT vs HT.

Skyrim or Fallout4 runs faster with 8 threads, quite funny since its not very threaded engine.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ntel-haswell-i7-4770k-i5-4670k-review-18.html

Crysis3, JustCause3, ID5,6 engine, few U3E & U4E games, MT engine, Glacier engine, frostbyte2,... All can benefit from more threads.

GTA5 also
i7

http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/5-ge...0k-3770k-4770k-5775c-6700k-gaming-comparison/

vs

i5

http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/ever...-lynnfield-to-skylake-7-years-of-i5-goodness/

Even older COD WAW benefits from more threads while playing MP lol :D, I was like wut?




Anyway, this should be the most interesting for thread starter:

FX3820 @ 4.2 and 4.8ghz vs i5 6400
http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/the-benchmarks-part-4-amd-fx-vs-intel-skylake/

That example isn't totally relevant to the discussion. When you make the cpu the bottleneck for the purposes of testing, you will see a difference. People who pair their hardware sensibly aren't going to see it the same way.
 
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Yes and no, later when you get stronger gpu it will show that gap really quick.
 

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HTT on 2 cores is essential because it's a 30-50% increase on i3 cpus. 4 threads is essentially the minimum today.

On 4 cores it depends if the game can utilise it and needs it. Battlefield 4/new 1 does for example. Also you can do side by side gaming and streaming or other things with a i7 that get a pain in the ass with a i5 fast.

Other examples: crysis 3 (at least jungle map, eats cpu power needs all it gets)
Witcher 3 (heavy game)
City skylines (extremely cpu heavy rts)

There's more. My point is newer aaa games do more and more profit from more than 4 threads the "golden age" of i5s is kinda over - i7 are better now. Best is 6 cores anyway - more full power threads.

@op: I would go for a i5 6600k at least, has way more standard clock compared to 6400 and can be easily overclocked for a lot more cheap performance and future use.
 
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Hmm, 5 years ago I bought myself an i7, because I wanted the extra threads. Today I'm still running it.
It has seen several videocards already and every faster card produced faster numbers in games and benches.

So that's my advice, get an i7.


ps. Many of todays games are already supporting HT, and with dx12 this will only grow further and further.
 
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So, tu sum up a bit:

i5 6600k + Z170 + 8gigs DDR4 @2100 ish? + RX480 or 1060 6GB whatever comes up cheaper.

Oh and i've been using W8.1, i should move up to 10 right?
 
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So, tu sum up a bit:

i5 6600k + Z170 + 8gigs DDR4 @2100 ish? + RX480 or 1060 6GB whatever comes up cheaper.

Oh and i've been using W8.1, i should move up to 10 right?

8.1 and 10 are pretty much the same. 10 doesn't have the stupid dashboard.

Other than that, go for it.
 
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