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Upgrading my RIG. First time going into INTEL. Need help.

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You don't have to OC k-version. But k-version is worth it by a fact that their stock frequency is higher than non-k.

In my case though, I chose i7-6700 (non-k) due to TDP being only 65w versus 91w on 6700k.
 

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Benchmark Scores well I've fried a 775' P4 12 years ago, that counts?
I'm just really not sure about jumping into the overclocking wagon again.
if not interested at all on OC you should get a locked processor, save some money, also H or B Chipset, Z chipset its the most complete one, also the more expensive one for desktop Core series processors,
example for this:
Core i 5 6500 / 6600 and B150 / H170 board,


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The major difference in Z, H, and B are chipset PCI-lane number with Z allowing OC.

I think Z has 20 lanes while H and B have 14 and 10. *70 has 14. *10 has 10.
 

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The major difference in Z, H, and B are chipset PCI-lane number with Z allowing OC.

I think Z has 20 lanes while H and B have 14 and 10. *70 has 14. *10 has 10.
watch there some info!


Introduction


The Z170 chipset has been available for some time now, but due to Intel's staggered launch of Skylake-S the other chipsets from this generation have just recently become available.

In addition to the Z170 chipset, there are now five other consumer chipsets available: the H170 and H110 for consumers and the B150, Q150, and Q170 for business. With the move to the new Skylake-S CPUs, all of these chipsets have some large changes over their predecessors, such as the move the DDR4 and many other things we covered in our Z170 vs Z97: What is the Difference?article, but they also have a couple of key ways in which they differ from each other.




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*In addition to the 16 PCI-E 3.0 lanes from the CPU
**This represents roughly how many PCI-E devices (LAN, USB, Thunderbolt, etc.) are able to use the available chipset PCI-E lanes


There are a large number of differences between the three consumer chipsets, but we have marked what should be the most important for the average consumer in red. The first and most commonly known difference is the fact that the Z170 chipset fully supports CPU overclocking, while the H-series chipsets do not.

The second major difference is in regards to the PCIe lanes. Modern Intel-based systems actually have two sets of PCIe lanes: one from the CPU and one from the chipset. The CPU PCIe lanes are used primarily for graphics cards and other add-on PCIe devices. For the 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes that are available from all Skylake-S CPUs, the Z170 chipset has the ability to split up the lanes two or three ways which allows for the use of multiple video cards or simply more PCIe devices to be directly connected to the CPU as long as they do not need to run at full x16 speeds.

The chipset lanes are a bit different - while a few may be used for add-on devices, they are mostly there for additional features the manufacturer has built into the motherboard that are not native to the chipset like WiFi, more USB ports, additional LAN ports, etc. The number and speed of these lanes changes based on the chipset: Z170 has 20 PCIe 3.0 lanes, H170 has 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes, and H110 has just 6 lanes that run at the slower PCIe 2.0 speeds. The biggest impact of having fewer lanes is that there is less opportunity for manufacturers to add additional features to the board, although another factor is the number of x4 M.2 or SATA Express devices that can be used on the chipset: Z170 can have 3 such devices, H170 can have 2 and H110 can have none. In addition to having fewer and slower PCIe lanes, H110 also still uses the older DMI 2.0 revision which means the connection between the chipset and the CPU is a bit slower than it is on the other chipsets.

As far as connectivity goes, Z170 and H170 can both power 6 SATA drives and have the same total number of USB ports (14) - although Z170 can have two more USB 3.0 ports than H170 (10 versus 8). H110, being the more budget-oriented chipset, can only power 4 SATA drives and can have only 10 USB ports (4 of which can be USB 3.0)

For the additional feature sets, both Z170 and H170 support Smart Sound Technology, Rapid Storage Technology, and Smart Response Technology (otherwise known as SSD Caching). For business-based customers who do not wish to use the business chipsets for whatever reason, both H170 and H110 support Small Business Basics while only the H110 chipset supports Small Business Advantage.



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*In addition to the 16 PCI-E 3.0 lanes from the CPU
**This represents roughly how many PCI-E devices (LAN, USB, Thunderbolt, etc.) are able to use the available chipset PCI-E lanes


Unlike the consumer chipsets, there is actually not a huge amount that is different between the three business chipsets, but we have marked what we consider to be the most important ones in red.

Like the consumer chipsets, one of the key differences between these chipsets is in regards to the PCIe lanes. As we stated in the previous section, modern Intel-based systems actually have two sets of PCIe lanes: one from the CPU and one from the chipset. The CPU PCIe lanes are used primarily for graphics cards and other add-on PCIe devices. For the 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes that are available from all Skylake-S CPUs, the Q170 chipset has the ability to split up the lanes two or three ways which allows for the use of multiple video cards or simply more PCIe devices to be directly connected to the CPU as long as they do not need to run at full x16 speeds.

The chipset lanes are a bit different - while a few may be used for add-on devices, they are mostly there for additional features the manufacturer has built into the motherboard that are not native to the chipset like WiFi, more USB ports, additional LAN ports, etc. The number and speed of these lanes changes based on the chipset: Q170 has 20 PCIe 3.0 lanes, Q150 has 10 PCIe 3.0 lanes, and B150 has just 8 PCIe 3.0 lanes. The biggest impact of having fewer lanes is that there is less opportunity for manufacturers to add additional features to the board, although another factor is the number of x4 M.2 or SATA Express devices that can be used on the chipset: Q170 can have 3 such devices, while Q150 and B150 can have none.

As far as connectivity goes, all of the chipsets are able to power 6 SATA drives. Q170 and Q150 have the same total number of USB ports (14) although Q170 can have two more USB 3.0 ports than Q150 (10 versus 8). B150, being the more budget-oriented chipset, can only have 12 USB ports (6 of which can be USB 3.0)

For the additional feature sets, all of the business chipsets support Small Business Basics and Small Business Advantage. The key difference in terms of features is that only the Q170 supports vPro and only the Q170 and Q150 chipsets support SIPP (Stable Image Platform Model).



Conclusion


Keep in mind that the chipset is only one of the may factors you should take into consideration when choosing a motherboard. If there is a specific feature you need like CPU overclocking or M.2 support, knowing what each chipset offers gives you a great starting place. But even from there, you still have to sort through the large number of motherboards that use that chipset. If you don't find a motherboard that fits your needs in terms of rear or internal ports, layout, or other functionality, you may even need to look at a "higher" chipset instead.

For example, while the H170 chipset may sound like the ideal choice for the majority of our customers, we have found that the Z170 motherboards are often a better fit even if a customer doesn't need all the features present in the Z170 chipset. The main reason is that motherboard manufactures tend to add more additional ports, headers, and features on their Z170 motherboards since that is what is considered the "premium" chipset. Often times, just a couple of additional ports can make the difference between a motherboard working for a customer out of the box or needing to use add-on PCIe cards to get the proper functionality.

In general, we tend to recommend the Z170 chipset for users who want to be sure they are getting all the features they may possibly need. However, H170 can be great in small form factor systems (such as our Echo systems) since things like additional PCIe lanes is not a big deal for mini-ITX motherboards that have only a single PCIe slot.

Even for business customers, we tend to use either Z170 or H170 motherboards. In fact, the only time we would recommend using a business-class chipset is if that is the only way you can get a feature that you specifically need such as vPro, SIPP, or Small Business Advantage. In most other cases, a consumer chipset is going to give you a wider range of options (so you can use a board that has the appropriate ports and layout that you need) and will generally be easier to source and maintain.
 

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If you don't plan to overclock get a non K as you save a lot of money that way (cpu + Mainboard). If you plan to overclock however go for the 6600k with that gb z board and stronger cooler. With that high ambient temperatures you need good cooling for oc.
 

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dont scare OP, lets discuss the topic correctly, avoid jokes about location, that wont help,
stick on correct chipset and processor according the situation ...

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I know right? hahah.

Alright, thank you guys for the info i'll do some numbers and let you know what i end up with!
 

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Alright, thank you guys for the info i'll do some numbers and let you know what i end up with!
Great!
If still have doubts always ask, and also consider:
Better cooling in chase that you decide to get 6600K + Z170,
don't mind about cooling if get Locekd 6600/6500 and "B" or "H" chipset, and also avoid the options that allow DDR3, stick with DDR4 on skylake!

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After much considering, and watching the 6700 Non K scoring the same on every game as a 4.6 oc'ed 6600k i think i'll go for that one. The TDP is lower, the core temperature is lower about 10° which is awesome for me, i don't know, it's not like i use my pc only for gaming i am a graphic artist/designer so the i7 may prove really usefull all around. And i might go for the h170 to save me the bucks needed to reach the i7. And yeah, 8 gigs of DDR4 of course.

I'm not sure i like the same motherboard on its h170 version tho...

After that i'll just have to see what comes cheaper the 480 or the 1060 over here. I was all about the 1060 but the 480 seems nicer by the minute, like if the option was "If you're not going full 1070, go for a 480".
 

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Good decision but go with 16 gb ddr4. 8 GB is on the low side now, 16gb is the new standard.
 

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After much considering, and watching the 6700 Non K scoring the same on every game as a 4.6 oc'ed 6600k i think i'll go for that one. The TDP is lower, the core temperature is lower about 10° which is awesome for me, i don't know, it's not like i use my pc only for gaming i am a graphic artist/designer so the i7 may prove really usefull all around. And i might go for the h170 to save me the bucks needed to reach the i7. And yeah, 8 gigs of DDR4 of course.
i7's are likely hot, i have owned one of every generation excluding skylake yet, so trust they tend to be a little bit hotter since they have 4 cores and 8 T, not gonna explode but sometimes under some tasks and work mught increse temps, so consider another cooler, could be a cheaper 212 EVO, but im glad you decided to Get an i7, ultimate boost on tasking!

I'm not sure i like the same motherboard on its h170 version tho...

After that i'll just have to see what comes cheaper the 480 or the 1060 over here. I was all about the 1060 but the 480 seems nicer by the minute, like if the option was "If you're not going full 1070, go for a 480".
there is no problem gettin' Z based board, unless the money, but H and B150 boards are great too!
Also for desing and graphics consider 16GB of Ram, but great you already gave your 1st steeping, sounds like a plan gettin that i7!

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After much considering, and watching the 6700 Non K scoring the same on every game as a 4.6 oc'ed 6600k i think i'll go for that one. The TDP is lower, the core temperature is lower about 10° which is awesome for me, i don't know, it's not like i use my pc only for gaming i am a graphic artist/designer so the i7 may prove really usefull all around. And i might go for the h170 to save me the bucks needed to reach the i7. And yeah, 8 gigs of DDR4 of course.

I'm not sure i like the same motherboard on its h170 version tho...

After that i'll just have to see what comes cheaper the 480 or the 1060 over here. I was all about the 1060 but the 480 seems nicer by the minute, like if the option was "If you're not going full 1070, go for a 480".

My i7-6700 build before being fed up with only 8 threads and moving to X99 platform, I went with a H110 motherboard. It had all basic functionality I wanted and the mobo was cheap as dirt. So, consider H110 motherboard as well.
 
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Alright guys, here's the final list, i talked to my supplier and this is what i'll end up getting, both machines will look like this:

SATELLITE L590

WESTERN DIGITAL Blue 1TB SATA 6 Gb/s 64MB
Radeon EAH6450 SILENT DDR3 1GB HDMI (trust me she doesn't need any more than that)
SENTEY BCP450-XS 450W
MOTHERBOARD + RAM + CPU (see system specs)
dvd burner, etc.

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COOLER MASTER STORM ENFORCER BLACK

Core i5-6600K Quad Core 6MB 3.9GHz
GA-Z170XP-SLI DDR4 ATX
DVD ASUS 24x SATA
CAVIAR BLACK 1TB
Thermaltake SMART M Series SP-650M
ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 O 6GB DUAL-GTX1060-O
CORSAIR Vengeance LED 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200 Mhz RED

I needed to tone the price down a bit accounting for the other machine to be properly built, so this is the final product.
He gave me a good price. The only thing missing is the aftermarket cooler for the i5 that he'll give me later today but i'll most likely go for a cooler master 212 or something like that.

Thank you all for your help, let me know what you think!
 

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COOLER MASTER STORM ENFORCER BLACK

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CAVIAR BLACK 1TB
Thermaltake SMART M Series SP-650M
ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 O 6GB DUAL-GTX1060-O
CORSAIR Vengeance LED 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200 Mhz RED

I needed to tone the price down a bit accounting for the other machine to be properly built, so this is the final product.
He gave me a good price. The only thing missing is the aftermarket cooler for the i5 that he'll give me later today but i'll most likely go for a cooler master 212 or something like that.

Thank you all for your help, let me know what you think!
Great rig!
i'll switch video card for other brand, i just dont trust asus due several bad moments in the past, also do you really need a DVD Drive? if not, reuse the older one for the installation and save space on case and money!
also the supplied ram memory on that list could be expensive, look for kingston fury or G.Skill that are cheaper on almost all planet !
but in a overall the listed parts are great!


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Great rig!
i'll switch video card for other brand, i just dont trust asus due several bad moments in the past, also do you really need a DVD Drive? if not, reuse the older one for the installation and save space on case and money!
also the supplied ram memory on that list could be expensive, look for kingston fury or G.Skill that are cheaper on almost all planet !
but in a overall the listed parts are great!


Regards,

i've been using ASUS GPU's for a while now, my current one 7870 OC it's been a solid performer with great cooling solution, and so far i've seen no complains on the 1060 or 1070 on Newegg or places like that, so i'll just follow my instinct here hahah. I'll see if i can work around some other mems! Thanks man.
 

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Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 Rev. 1.1
Cooling Thermaltake Water 3.0 Pro + Tt Riing12 x2 / Tt ThunderBlade / Gelid Slim 120UV fans
Memory 16GB DRR3 Kingoston with Custom Tt spreaders + HyperX Fan
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Power Supply Themaltake TR2 700W 80plus bronce & APC Pro backup 1000Va
Mouse Tt eSports Level 10M Rev 1.0 Diamond Black & Tt Conkor "L" mouse pad
Keyboard Tt eSports KNUCKER
Software windows 10x64Pro
Benchmark Scores well I've fried a 775' P4 12 years ago, that counts?
so i'll just follow my instinct here hahah. I'll see if i can work around some other mems! Thanks man.
you welcome! hope you will get great times with it!

Regards,
 
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Well, dude, welcome to the dark side.

It's scary, i defected completely, intel AND nvidia? i don't even recognize me anymore.
 

peche

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Case Thermaltake Commander G42 Window
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Mouse Tt eSports Level 10M Rev 1.0 Diamond Black & Tt Conkor "L" mouse pad
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Benchmark Scores well I've fried a 775' P4 12 years ago, that counts?

Kanan

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It's scary, i defected completely, intel AND nvidia? i don't even recognize me anymore.
You're a really strange guy indeed. Didn't you say a few hours earlier you want to go i7 6700 and rx 480? And now it's 6600k and 1060. ;) this is a neverending story anyway. 5 pages for such a simple thing as buying a new pc.
 
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Motherboard GIGABYTE Z170XP-SLI
Memory 2x8GB CORSAIR VENGEANCE RED LED DDR4 3200MHZ
Video Card(s) ASUS 1060 OC6GB @1950mhz
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Audio Device(s) OnBoard Realtek HD
Power Supply Thermaltake SMART M Series SP-650M
Mouse Razer DeathAdder Chroma
Keyboard Corsair K-70 (Cherry MX Red Switches)
Software Windows 10 x64 Ultimate Edition
You're a really strange guy indeed. Didn't you say a few hours earlier you want to go i7 6700 and rx 480? And now it's 6600k and 1060. ;) this is a neverending story anyway. 5 pages for such a simple thing as buying a new pc.
It all ended up having to do with the prices and stock my supplier had. So yeah, and it's not such a simple thing when there's so much money involved man.
 
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