Overclocking an FX6300, should I continue?

[Kanan]

Probably a kid )))) 1.4v on that mobo with that power delivery phase

Haha I was a kid too once, that's just dumb if you ask me but whatever. Nice avatar btw haha.

 

[Evo85]

You have pushed the Mobo to its limit. I highly recommend that you don't push it any further as it will fail. And will take a few components with it.

 

[Jism]

Guys calm down.

That motherboard and CPU is still running within specs of AMD. It proberly does not have a over-current-protection that can be disabled so the danger is'nt as close as some might think. Newer boards are protected from high currents, they simply stall, reboot, crash but nothing serious.

Boards that do blow up have a bad VRM design, no protection or at least it triggers way too late.

Told you that playing with MP and FSB combined would archieve 4.4Ghz and above. The AMD cpu's have troubles doing higher mp's. You can actually force some more voltage into the PLL if i'm not mistaken so it stays stable, but oc'ing with FSB is always better then multiplier alone.

So, try to keep it stable now, and live with 4.4GHz. Or try 300Mhz HTT (FSB) which is more fun with a lower MP and memory dividers.

if you work with a Crosshair IV or even Formula-z you have a few options to raise the overcurrent, and disable the AMD recommendation for maximum usage of power of a CPU. This allows real hard OC'ing which can only be done on systems with proper cooling. Normal motherboards dont allow this and proberly 'limit' out on what the motherboard can deliver for a maximum.

 

[Kanan]

Guys calm down.

That motherboard and CPU is still running within specs of AMD. It proberly does not have a over-current-protection that can be disabled so the danger is'nt as close as some might think. Newer boards are protected from high currents, they simply stall, reboot, crash but nothing serious.

Boards that do blow up have a bad VRM design, no protection or at least it triggers way too late.

Told you that playing with MP and FSB combined would archieve 4.4Ghz and above. The AMD cpu's have troubles doing higher mp's. You can actually force some more voltage into the PLL if i'm not mistaken so it stays stable, but oc'ing with FSB is always better then multiplier alone.

So, try to keep it stable now, and live with 4.4GHz. Or try 300Mhz HTT (FSB) which is more fun with a lower MP and memory dividers.

Nothing to do with that. If you had read all my comments you would have seen that I very well am aware that the CPU/MB does have protections. My comments are about preserving lifetime of components, that's it. If you have another opinion about it it's okay though, even if its probably wrong.

 

[Jism]

YES I DO. OC'ing on AMD systems is way more fun. It'll guarantee you'll be busy for the complete night.

 

[Kanan]

YES I DO. OC'ing on AMD systems is way more fun. It'll guarantee you'll be busy for the complete night.

Cool, which motherboard are you using?

 

[Jism]

It is only a few months away from ZEN being released, so i woud'nt worry much at all about lifetime of his equipment. I'd proberly do the same if i was in his position. What can go wrong, just a blown motherboard in worst case? 50 to 100$ replacement.

I think i did 2 years on a crosshair Z with a Thuban X6 at 4.2Ghz and at some point even 4.4Ghz.

I use a Crosshair Z currently, mainly because it offers more options then any other board currently out there, and a VRM that's beefy enough for a 9590 and still have OC headroom.

 

[Kanan]

It is only a few months away from ZEN being released, so i woud'nt worry much at all about lifetime of his equipment. I'd proberly do the same if i was in his position. What can go wrong, just a blown motherboard in worst case? 50 to 100$ replacement.

I think i did 2 years on a crosshair Z with a Thuban X6 at 4.2Ghz and at some point even 4.4Ghz.

I use a Crosshair Z currently, mainly because it offers more options then any other board currently out there, and a VRM that's beefy enough for a 9590 and still have OC headroom.

So you are essentially someone who sports a enthusiast highend Mainboard who has too much money and want to give false advise to people who has the opposite kind of hardware to essentially waste their hardware by mistreating and abusing it to the limit where it eventually will fail. Maybe you should go to a extreme overclocker forum because this is more about giving people good advice and helping them - not egoism and epeen overclocking that's totally useless. Thanks for proving my point btw.

 

[Jism]

I dont think you get the point either. If you oc basic hardware, with a decent VRM design and all, there is nothing much that go wrong. Every motherboard has a built-in OCP (Overcurrent protection) that prevent the CPU from using more then a specified amount of power. His problem was being stuck at 4.4Ghz with random issues, i told him to use the FSB in combination with a higher multiplier and voila, problem bypassed. It seems stable at 4.4GHz now.

If his hardware was uncapable of doing that OC with running Prime, the VRM section should already blow a few fets here and there. He's already voiding his warranty by doing this all on the first place.

Look, any CPU can be oc'ed 'safely', you need to find the sweetspot before it starts to need more voltage & amps in order to archieve higher speeds. If I was TS, revert all to stock, and try to seek the first maximum speed before you even up the voltage. And when you hit the limit, things crash when testing, then increase the voltage just a tiny tiny bit.

I think even 4.5Ghz is possible but you need to consider proper cooling to your VRM and any other thing that might get 'hot' on your board. Esp. the back of your motherboard, the opposite where your VRM sits on, the back CPU socket and all.

It's bin written all over many guides on how to work on OC'ing. I've never damaged a motherboard or CPU with oc'ing. What i've seen alot is that people use low-budget to midrage boards, ramp up voltages and blow stuff up. Or assemble complete high-end computers with cases that already have a no-name PSU with less then 300 watts and blow things up within a week.

OC'ing pretty much tells you as well where you hit a wall, a limit, because things crash, hang or are not stable. Use common sense on wether where things are going wrong, and simply start from stock before even hitting up voltages here and there.

AMD systems are fun to tweak, trust me, keeps you busy for a few hours at least, but the result is a faster and more responsive system. Even a 9570 can be shaved off 60watts of power on the wall by simply tweaking the voltage on that particular '220w' cpu.

Since Slot A i've bin OC'ing on AMD. And i never blew up a motherboard (never bought cheap ones as well) when oc'ing hardware. Always watch temps. It's the most mandatory ever in OC history. Simular with cars; if you tune them, always watch temps.

 

[Kanan]

What i've seen alot is that people use low-budget to midrage boards, ramp up voltages and blow stuff up.

This is exactly what he's doing. Funny that you're writing so much to prove me wrong and end up with proving my point further right.

Whatever. I did my point my point stands and there are more people here that caution the op to not overdo the OC. I'm out. Have fun blowing away your hardware. Learn it the hard way then.

 

[Recon-UK]

Nope nothing could go wrong @Jism

Not saying that will happen, but some of us have brains to buy what we "require" not what we think we can "get away with".

 

[Jism]

I'm sorry but dont buy MSI boards. Asus is the better player and offers much better design and components. It's also unclear if this is a new board (DOA) or a used one. I assume a brand new one, and i had DOA's upon first boot as well.

 

[eidairaman1]

Nope nothing could go wrong @Jism

Not saying that will happen, but some of us have brains to buy what we "require" not what we think we can "get away with".

9590/9370 are excessively leaky chips, like how Preshott was then. I went 8350 from microcenter. It's funny before I built this rig i was looking up 5.0GHz FX motherboard and the Sabertooth R2.0 came up.

 

[Evo85]

Guys calm down.

That motherboard and CPU is still running within specs of AMD. It proberly does not have a over-current-protection that can be disabled so the danger is'nt as close as some might think. Newer boards are protected from high currents, they simply stall, reboot, crash but nothing serious.

Boards that do blow up have a bad VRM design, no protection or at least it triggers way too late.

Told you that playing with MP and FSB combined would archieve 4.4Ghz and above. The AMD cpu's have troubles doing higher mp's. You can actually force some more voltage into the PLL if i'm not mistaken so it stays stable, but oc'ing with FSB is always better then multiplier alone.

So, try to keep it stable now, and live with 4.4GHz. Or try 300Mhz HTT (FSB) which is more fun with a lower MP and memory dividers.

if you work with a Crosshair IV or even Formula-z you have a few options to raise the overcurrent, and disable the AMD recommendation for maximum usage of power of a CPU. This allows real hard OC'ing which can only be done on systems with proper cooling. Normal motherboards dont allow this and proberly 'limit' out on what the motherboard can deliver for a maximum.

If you do some searching around the web you will see this board is unreliable in Stock form. You will also see where several have taken out other components when it goes.

Pushing 1.5v on a decent board is dicey. On this board, it's BEGGING for disaster.

 

[eidairaman1]

Running 1.48 here. Btw op unit with running straight oc of 4.1GHz at default voltage was unstable for him. Mine at 4.2 was stable.

 

[Jism]

If that board is a 4+1 design then yes you should watch out. I'm not saying that a 4 + 1 VRM design is 'bad' , it can work just as simular as a 8 or even 12 phase VRM design, it just depends on the type of VRM's that's being used.

I.e 4 VRM's of 25A each has a better efficieny then a VRM of 8 ones with 12.5A each. The 8 one proberly deliveres a more 'cleaner' voltage but is less efficient because it will have certain eletrical losses when converting from 12V to 1.35V.

I suspect that that +1 is used for Dram (memory) to even voltages out. But always make sure to cool them properly, they can become warm yes and that's normal, but being in the 80 to 100 degrees range is dangerous.

If i was you, settle for 4.2 ~ 4.4Ghz with a 300MHz FSB / HTT. For that kind of speed you might want to increase the NB voltage a bit (just 0.100v to 0.300v) and lower both memory and northbridge dividers. 2400MHz NB is best. Settle for a mp of 14 or 14.5. It's defenitly faster. If you archieved this, start tweaking your memory timing as close as possible. I.e 1600Mhz with lowest possible timings. Use Memtest on a CD or USB drive, and run a multithreaded test upon boot (hit f2 when that program launches). For fast checking you only need to pass 1 run in order to test it's stability, reboot and tweak some timings more from there on. When you hit a wall (errors appear) either increase voltage or lower settings.

Some sticks dont do nothing when you increase their voltage, so your pretty much stuck at what you can get. Those AMD cpu's do not benefit much more from higher speeds memory. I run currently 2400MHz DDR3 with 10/10/10/20 timings, which is actually pretty good and makes the system responsive. Back in the Athlon 64 days, latency was everything. These days speed actually overcome latency's.

Your board might not be able to archieve 300MHz FSB, but if thats the case 260 or 280 as well works fine. You need to keep the CPU at all times stock before you start ramping up the FSB past 240. Trust me.

 

[FireFox]

Last OP's post was this one where he want to show how clever or naive he is : Page#2 post #46

Guys, I have achieved Prime95 stability with a clock speed of 4.4 GHz (19 x 233 MHz) @ +1.475 V, FSB is 233 MHz, HT link is at 2.8 GHz, NB frequency is at 2,1 GHz.

What now? haha.

After that he didn't post again

Could be this the reason:

Of course he won't never admit it

 

[Jism]

That's a psu, not a motherboard.

But yeah, i know very well how stupid it is when shit blows up. A while ago i bought K5-Pro which is a replacement (fluid) for pads that stick between memory chips / heatsinks and vrm / heatsinks.

I've replaced all pads with this compound, but before i even got there i screwed up my motherboard (Crosshair IV). One screw was damaged enough not to come out, so i had to drill it out, and within that proces proberly destroyed a few traces here and there.

I never got to test the K5-pro since many people are curious about it, so was i. But i'm not going to apply this stuff to my new Crosshair Z to be honest. It leaves a sticky mess behind and i'm sure it cools well, but going back to original will be a hard task. Maybe my 480X when there's a VRM heatsink for available.

 

[FireFox]

That's a psu, not a motherboard.

It was just an example of something burned.

 

[Recon-UK]

I have blown stuff up, not intentionally, GTX 480, a PSU.
Had a MSI P67 board have it's RAM slots go bad, but i always bought the appropriate motherboard every time.

Quality over quantity and all that...

 

[eidairaman1]

The guy is at 4.5GHz, his motherboard I told him to stop going further, because when he did the 4.1GHz OC across all cores with default voltage he had stability issues initially so that tells me the chip is a little bit on the tougher side to overclock along with that board being the lowest 970 Model available.