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2 Weeks with Titan X Pascal (Titan XP), Thoughts...

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So a few friends on around the web, here, and on social media asked me about my Titan X pascal and were shocked I purchased it. Most of this stems from the fact that I have been a pretty high advocate that the Titan series of cards were overpriced cards that should not exist (That and some people saw me as an AMD fanboy for owning two generation of AMD cards even after years of mostly Nvidia cards and because I see some people overly hating AMD for the wrong reason IMHO and call them out for it). Anyway, so I decided I would post my thoughts on it seeing as how I was so against the series and what I feel like switching sides after about ~4 years of AMD as my exclusive in the desktop GPU's (bearing in mind my laptop has been Nvidia still along with side machines). So here is my thoughts coming from my 3 290X's... @GreiverBlade @the54thvoid @rtwjunkie

This is not a review, just a thoughts/opinion on the card. If you want that look at the review on this site for a much more informative review of the card. I wrote some of this kinda fast so I apologize if there are any mistakes in grammar (I will try and correct them as I read it).

I went ahead and installed the card into my machine to run some tests on it making sure it was working correctly and to stress it. After a few FireStrike extremes and a burn in test I got my first impression of the card. The card performs marvelously and gives me results that I expected after watching reviews. It performs at minimum on par with my 3 R9 290X's working together which is nothing short of fantastic in my book and a welcomed upgrade considering CFX/SLI is still hit or miss. With this card it means I don't have to worry about it at all and still get that performance I crave. I immediately pulled up MSI afterburner and GPUZ to now take a look at it while the card was running so I can understand the way Boost 3.0 is working on my specific card and what needs to be done. Watching the card in Firestrike is pretty interesting as the clocks are constantly changing at a very high rate and the temps are something else to note (I will mention that shortly). Basically my card stays above the base clock constantly while doing Firestrike yet it never stays close to the boost clock for any length of time for a multitude of reasons most of which (According to GPU-Z) is power and temp. The card during those tests gets right up to the 80's in my case which is near the throttle point for the cards temps after just a little while in Firestrike but it seems that power is the biggest issue. So I decided to do some changing to the card immediately to try and remedy this.

After downloading the newest version of MSI afterburner (Since the old version I was running was not able to make adjustments to it) I was able to make the changes to the card to see how things changed. I loaded up a custom fan profile for the card (Just making some adjustments to keep it no higher than 85c) since before I didn't even notice the cards fan at all in my system (Even with my case fans set low) and then decided to just push the power limit and temp limit to the max. Rerunning the tests yielded significantly better results flat out as the boost clock went beyond the stated boost clock into the 1800's and the I stopped seeing the Power Limit come up on the card in GPU-Z satisfying me. Funny enough I still could barely notice the GPU fan which to me shows that the card is very quiet especially compared to the turbines on the 290X's.

Playing BF4 on this cards was nothing short of stunning. Without Vsync at the exact same settings as I was playing on the 290X trio resulted in FPS staying well above 144FPS and hitting the 200FPS wall constantly. I adjust the settings another notch up on the MSAA and switched to HBAO just to knock it down a notch which still kept the FPS around 160. Once I get the Asus ROG PG279Q I bet it will be even better since I can use G-Sync with the system. I pulled up Doom which performs very well with Vulkan enabled keeping in the 100+ range with ease. Every game I play I saw nothing but great FPS from this card normally above 100 on Ultra settings at 1440p which is exactly what I was wanting in preparation for BF1.

Now though I will get to some of the downsides I feel from the card:
For starters this card is not $1200, it is $1299 once tax is factored in for U.S. people. When ordering from Nvidia's site you get that tax thrown on (Even though you also get free shipping) so it ends up at almost the $1300 dollar mark which irks me a little bit just because its almost an extra $100 bucks. Guess ordering from newegg spoiled me, but I digress since I knew what I was paying well before that point so its a minor complaint.
The cooler on this card maybe of very high quality in design and looks. Heck it is one of the quietest stock coolers I have ever used (least in the last 6 years) on a high end card and one of the best looking. But to me its a little hard to love it when I watch the card under load. I have fresh air pumping in straight to the card and its not obstructed by anything in my case yet it still revs up high. Just allowing the cards power and temp limit to the max for max clocks (Which I will count as overclocking) causes temps in the mid 80's instantly while gaming or benching. The fan on the card with my custom profile (Which basically just scales at a linear rate up to 100% at 90c) means the fans in the range of 85% - 90% at all times gaming with just those settings and still keeping in the mid 80's. I still barely notice the fan (Which is impressive) but I feel the card just runs very hot easily on this cooler which is sad considering the build quality is top notch. Even forcing the fan to 100% didn't results in the temps getting down much more than another degree or two which I found odd in my testing. I think it has to do with the way boost 3.0 acts and manages power/performance, but I still thought I would mention it. I can't really complain much because it still manages to handle my max overclock on it as well (Which with boost I have seen as high as 2025 on this card) but I just found it weird since even though the 290X cooler was obnoxious beyond 60%, every 10% results in the temps dropping quite a bit (even though at a certain point I might as well have a vacuum next to me while gaming LOL) down to the low 70's then with overclocking the mid - upper 70's.
Overclocking the card achieved (Sorta) what I wanted, a 2000+ mhz overclock on the core. However that area is not maintained for much time as the card immediately reads power and drops back to the 1900's constantly. I really wish the power limit allows for just 10%-20% more as I really believe the card would hit much higher clocks just on that alone. Once I watercool it I will make my final judgment but for now I am just a little sad as I was hoping it could maintain it a little better in that range.

Do I feel regret buying this card...No not at all as it did (for the most part) what I was expecting. I actually am very impressed by the card and happy with it. I do feel that the cooler should be better for the money since there will be no aftermarket variants (And this is being sold as the way the card was supposed to be) but it is very quiet and does its job pretty well (Though I had to edit the fan curve as I feel its WAYYY to soft at stock in all forms) so its kinda a mixed bag especially since I planned to watercool it anyways soon enough. Its a great card but even though I like it, I still feel its overpriced a little bit. Granted I intend to use it only for gaming which does subtract some of its uses, I feel the extra $200 added from the last few Titans (Plus tax) is a little extreme for the card considering its not perfect. I actually wish they had a variant with a waterblock (Like EVGA did) that was priced accordingly to not include the FE price as that would have been a cool idea (Its just going to suck taking that cooler off for a waterblock considering the way its priced your paying extra for the FE cooler). What I safely can say is that the card is worth it if you want the best of the best and nothing less. I like it because its better than my previous 3 cards combined on one single card. But that is just me. I will be grabbing a second somewhere down the line (Though I am not sure when) which will be cool to see how well it scales but I figure the G-Sync monitor is first.
 
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Thanks for the insights, very much as expected. It's just big Pascal on a crappy blower. Not to belittle your purchase, but that's what it is. The clocks are still quite nice though, I had never expected it to stick to 2000mhz on stock cooling (but seeing it hold 1850+ and especially 1900 is decent for this large die), and the temps fall in line with everything Nvidia has been doing since Kepler with regards to BIOS settings and GPU boost.

So far the highest Pascal 'median' I've seen on GP104 is 1949mhz. So if your Titan is capable of holding 1900 on stock (and notably too little) cooling, you may have a pretty good sample right there.
 
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Thanks dude. I know this card shits on my Kingpin 980ti but I'm holding off, more due to a full system upgrade with gfx to boot (moving to W10). Once I see more info on Kabylake, Skylake-E or Zen, I'll start shelling out.
Great card though. :toast:
 

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Man, that was a very in depth Titan Xperience! Thanks for that. It was well written, and I feel I got to share in your observations with you. I hope you enjoy it for some time!
 

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This is nothing comparing to your $1300 card.
 

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Nice experience story. I'd say watercooling is a must on this card, noise/overclock/temperatures, kinda important and needed here.
 
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thanks for the tag pal! interesting reading :)

and yep as other said .... watercooling should be good on that one :D
 
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First of all thanks for your feedback on this video card.

I'm an hardware guy (I don't play that much now, however sometimes I play) but I like to have a powerful and special workstation under the hood. After all I'm an IT consultants and I build and sell systems for business.

I have a Titan X in my WS the old one (not the Pascal) with an AiO liquid cooler (the eVGA Hybrid), plus a second nVidia card (a GTX960 4GB) for GPGPU testing and other things; with this configuration you can use the 2nd card for some calculations (for example video encoding while you're playing) and free up the main video card for the most important task you are doing in that precise moment.

I would have bought the new Titan X Pascal and from a performance perspective is certainly the best video card money can buy today, but I won't because I'm really disappointed that nVidia decided not to implement the "full-design" of the chip, with all the 3840 CUDA cores enabled. At the price it's proposed it's totally unacceptable and just mind how much powerful (when overclocked) the card would be with all the CUDA cores enabled. Also does exist a GP102 with all CUDA cores enabled: the nVidia Quadro P6000 (24GB) has the full chip, but the price is ridiculous. I really find unethical a "castrated" chip at the price is proposed today, but also in perspective the Titan brand deserve the very best available.

This time I hope AMD will beat nVidia with their upcoming Vegas chipsets and perhaps nVidia will be forced to release a full fledged GP102 card, like they did in the past with the 1st Titan and soon after the Titan Black (that had a full chip implementation).
 
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Thanks for the insights, very much as expected. It's just big Pascal on a crappy blower. Not to belittle your purchase, but that's what it is. The clocks are still quite nice though, I had never expected it to stick to 2000mhz on stock cooling (but seeing it hold 1850+ and especially 1900 is decent for this large die), and the temps fall in line with everything Nvidia has been doing since Kepler with regards to BIOS settings and GPU boost.

So far the highest Pascal 'median' I've seen on GP104 is 1949mhz. So if your Titan is capable of holding 1900 on stock (and notably too little) cooling, you may have a pretty good sample right there.
No your correct, it really is held back by the cooler even if I am impressed with it in terms of noise.

Thanks dude. I know this card shits on my Kingpin 980ti but I'm holding off, more due to a full system upgrade with gfx to boot (moving to W10). Once I see more info on Kabylake, Skylake-E or Zen, I'll start shelling out.
Great card though. :toast:
This card will be sticking with me for the next couple of years. I will be doing my usual upgrade process of skipping a generation. I wish they had a FTW/Classified/Kingpin variant of this card.

Man, that was a very in depth Titan Xperience! Thanks for that. It was well written, and I feel I got to share in your observations with you. I hope you enjoy it for some time!
Thanks!

I am a bit crazy, but one more in awhile so I can LC both of them in the loop for the next couple of years is my plan. May change though as I am already pretty happy with the performance as is.

You need this:
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https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc-titan-x-pascal-nickel


This is nothing comparing to your $1300 card.
That's the one I am looking at currently. Deciding when I will do that upgrade to the card as I only want to assemble it once so it comes down to if I buy another or not.

Nice experience story. I'd say watercooling is a must on this card, noise/overclock/temperatures, kinda important and needed here.
Indeed, noise is fine but the rest is what I run into. I am hoping also removing the air cooler will give me a slight bit more OC performance with the extra cooling as well.

thanks for the tag pal! interesting reading :)

and yep as other said .... watercooling should be good on that one :D
Yea, seems like a must for this card.

One thing I forgot to mention is I wish the Geforce logo was RGB. Since I plan on taking it off its no big deal but if I didn't having the green logo lit up (Even if its Nvidia's color) is a bit annoying since it clashes. Kinda wish they would throw the extra buck at that on the card but its really just a preference.
 
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I think youll find your reaching your power limit. when you oc and at stock. I can keep my card below 55% with a more aggressive fan profile. yet the core still jumps around, which when you look closely is the power limit. whats needed is a custum bios. one which will pull at least +10% from 301 watts where it is now. NVidia should of used two 8pin power connectors. on water due to the power limit, people are only gaining 200mhz oc (similar to what people are getting on air) yet it is more constant with less dips. a volt mod might be needed. either a modded bios or modding the card itself.
 
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Thoughts? well, that card will never win a value award, but it IS a beast performance wise. Curious as to what your ASIC Quality reads, because as stated by Vayra, the clocks are very good considering the cooler.
 
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I think youll find your reaching your power limit. when you oc and at stock. I can keep my card below 55% with a more aggressive fan profile. yet the core still jumps around, which when you look closely is the power limit. whats needed is a custum bios. one which will pull at least +10% from 301 watts where it is now. NVidia should of used two 8pin power connectors. on water due to the power limit, people are only gaining 200mhz oc (similar to what people are getting on air) yet it is more constant with less dips. a volt mod might be needed. either a modded bios or modding the card itself.
Yea, just watching it all I see is power warning. May mess with it at some point to see if it will allow more power through it.

Thoughts? well, that card will never win a value award, but it IS a beast performance wise. Curious as to what your ASIC Quality reads, because as stated by Vayra, the clocks are very good considering the cooler.
Indeed, I know its not a great value card as that was not what I was expecting. I don't know if I can read Asic values on it because I heard its not available on the Pascal series. Will check if I can.

Its mostly staying in the 1900's even when overclocked past 2000 as it hits voltage limits.

Card plays BF1 nearly perfectly at 1440p 144hz. May still grab another later on and its definitely hitting water before Christmas.
 
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My original Titan X is quite happy right now, and I paid much less than the MSRP as I got it on Pascal's launch when the price on Maxwell parts bottomed out. I highly recomend this acquisition method. :p

It's currently rocking this cooler:

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Yeah, the Maxwell Titan X's are just like your experience with the Pascal, the stock cooler is woefully inadequate.

PS: Yes, it's dusting time for my poor case.
 
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Great read GhostRyder
Makes me fill kinda old hat what with me still sucking the death out of my 780ti:laugh:
 
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I think youll find your reaching your power limit. when you oc and at stock. I can keep my card below 55% with a more aggressive fan profile. yet the core still jumps around, which when you look closely is the power limit. whats needed is a custum bios. one which will pull at least +10% from 301 watts where it is now. NVidia should of used two 8pin power connectors. on water due to the power limit, people are only gaining 200mhz oc (similar to what people are getting on air) yet it is more constant with less dips. a volt mod might be needed. either a modded bios or modding the card itself.

This....I had my Titan X Pascal for about a month and sold it. With the increasing likelihood that we'll not get a Pascal bios editor, watching it smash it's head against the power limit constantly at relatively mediocre overclocks was more than I could handle. I went back to my SLI 1080s.

Amazing card if you're not overclocking......but for someone that likes to overclock? It sucked. NVIDIA has this morbid fascination with gimping their cards with power limits that are way too low, and taking all the fun out of owning their enthusiast level hardware.
 
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OP get a waterblock on the card and the result is awesome.

Once running on water the Pascal Titan can maintain clocks that most 1080s struggle to reach.

For benching or gaming purely taking clockspeeds my water cooled Pascal Titans easily beat my FE 1080s.
 
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Hmm...must have had some really bad 1080s.
 
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Thanks for the insights, very much as expected. It's just big Pascal on a crappy blower. Not to belittle your purchase, but that's what it is. The clocks are still quite nice though, I had never expected it to stick to 2000mhz on stock cooling (but seeing it hold 1850+ and especially 1900 is decent for this large die), and the temps fall in line with everything Nvidia has been doing since Kepler with regards to BIOS settings and GPU boost.

So far the highest Pascal 'median' I've seen on GP104 is 1949mhz. So if your Titan is capable of holding 1900 on stock (and notably too little) cooling, you may have a pretty good sample right there.

All TxP's can do well over 2000 with decent cooling. An accelero will allow one to hold 2050 24/7 so it really doesn't take much better cooling. I think the breaking point is 60c, keep it there or under and the clocks won't be hindered.

OP, once you get the cooling sorted out (ie. waterblock), you will find you hit the power limit very easily. You then have to address the modding of the power limit, either by the clu method, or gluing (if not soldering) smd resistors to the 3 points. Both methods will drop the power limit read factor by 15% to 30% iirc.

The mother thread on Pascal
http://forum.kingpincooling.com/showthread.php?t=3879

https://hardforum.com/threads/nvidia-announces-the-new-titan-x.1905829/page-35#post-1042522421
https://hardforum.com/threads/nvidia-announces-the-new-titan-x.1905829/page-33#post-1042511061
 
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Hmm...must have had some really bad 1080s.

All 4 of my air cooled 1080s are good overclockers.

My Pascal Titans on water are better though.
 
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All 4 of my air cooled 1080s are good overclockers.

My Pascal Titans on water are better though.

You still running 4 ftw? So much gpu.
 
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All 5 of the 1080s I've had pulled at least 2153 on air. The two I kept each hit 2200.... 2100+ is a pretty far reach for a Titan XP without banging up against the power limit, or temp throttling spots.
 
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All 5 of the 1080s I've had pulled at least 2153 on air. The two I kept each hit 2200.... 2100+ is a pretty far reach for a Titan XP without banging up against the power limit, or temp throttling spots.

Could you post a Heaven 4 bench result using maximum settings with your 1080s @2200mhz on air please?
 
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