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Actually the miata was designed for a V-6 but ford never decided to do it so a SBF or SBC will fit without any modifications. monstermiata makes a full bolt on kit.

http://www.miataroadster.com/monster-miata/monster-miata-v8-swap-kits/g-67757.aspx
That's how he did it? keeping in mind that this would've been in the 90s not recently.I worked at that company from 96 to 2000..,I could swear that he did some kind a firewall modification.I believe you they do make a kit,I just swear that I remember there being some kind of firewall & backseat modification there has been a lot of cars in my life maybe I remember from one of them

On second thought I suppose the Miata hasn't changed much in the last 20 years at least as far as the engine bay goes

All right now I'm done for real no more off topic.
 

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It used to be said that some of kingston's SSDs (namely the V200+) had its own built in garbage collection so no trim was needed, but i dont think this is a thing any more on their newer drives.

If it was me i honestly wouldnt bother upgrading such an old laptop. Add more ram or a bigger mechanical hard drive if you need to but I wouldnt bother doing anything else to it. its an old laptop, Not really worth spending huge amounts of money on to upgrade unless Its your one and only means of browsing the internet and stuff
 
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No you can use 4gig but O / S only shows 3 1/2 gig

Unless you have a BIOS and/or chipset that supports address space reallocation. :)

But yeah, 32-bit limit of 4gb addressable space. That's self imposed BTW. Even the 128gb limit for 64-bit editions is self imposed.
 
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Trim, garbage collection and secure erasing might become an issue with newer SSDs in laptops as old as this one. I 'd first try an SSD where you have things like this exposed via a software like Samsungs Magician or Intels Toolbox.
 
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Garbage collecting is an internal feature on newer SSDs Trim is hardware related so he wont have that. Just throw any SSD in that thing and be done. He wont even notice any slowdown form the lack of trim
 

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Garbage collecting is an internal feature on newer SSDs Trim is hardware related so he wont have that. Just throw any SSD in that thing and be done. He wont even notice any slowdown form the lack of trim

Exactly this. Every controller has its own garbage collection built in these days, so not having TRIM isn't a huge issue. Even if there isn't garbage collection, the slowdown is only on writes and only when writing to an area that had previously been erased. And even with the slowdown, the write speed is still way faster than any mechanical SATA drive.

My main concern would be that some modern SSDs seem to not work properly on SATA I ports. In theory SATA III drives should be completely backwards compatible with SATA I ports, but on more than one occasion I've tried to put a SATA III SSD in a machine with a SATA I port and the computer would not even recognize the SSD. Tried a different SSD, and it worked fine. So I say start with the cheapest SSD you can find and try it, but make sure you can return it, because you might have to try a few different SSDs before you find one that works.
 

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The drive will saturate the port which is good.
 
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He said saturate the port :p
 
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- As much as I want Windows 10 drivers, and believe me I've tried with 7,8.1 and 10, there are NO DRIVERS for video card, sound card, LAN card, chipset, USB, etc. I couldn't believe the mess DELL made with the support for this laptop.
 

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. I couldn't believe the mess DELL made with the support for this laptop.
Dell wants you to landfill it and buy Shiny shiny new

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i have a couple of old core 2 duo lenovo X61 tablets.. one is running a 1 T ssd and the other a 256..

they do seem backwards compatible from a sata point of view.. stata 1 is still pretty snappy compared to the small slow hard drives these machines had..

trog

ps.. sata 1 is 150 mbs-ish.. 2 is 350-ish and 3 is 500-ish.. its worth doing and makes a noticeable difference even with sata 1..
 
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Intel's SSD Toolbox?

Yes, that's the one. can be set to trim the drive on a schedule for stuff like xp that doesn't have native trim support.
 
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Yes, that's the one. can be set to trim the drive on a schedule for stuff like xp that doesn't have native trim support.

Trim has to be supported by the hardware also. In this case it's not
 
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If it was me i honestly wouldnt bother upgrading such an old laptop. Add more ram or a bigger mechanical hard drive if you need to but I wouldnt bother doing anything else to it. its an old laptop, Not really worth spending huge amounts of money on to upgrade unless Its your one and only means of browsing the internet and stuff

That laptop with XP on it is a snappier as it was on day 1. The screen is beautiful, solid build, the only downside is the crappy HDD which is 100GB :)))
That's the one; unless it dies or something is still a beast of a laptop for anything else except AAA gaming ;)

 

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Hi Prima.Vera!
About a year ago I upgraded a kind of similar laptop (at least similar chipset), and here is my info and advice on it:
The model was is a Acer Aspire 9424WSMi. In 2006 when it was bought it had a Core2Duo T5600 (2 x 1.86GHz, 2Megs Cache and 166MHz [667Quad] FSB), 1GB of DDR2 RAM (2 x 512Megs), an 120GB SATA drive with 5400rpm and a GeForce Go 7300. The OS was Windows XP Media Center 2005, that is just a variant of XP with Media Center built in.
Over the past years I upgraded the memory to 2 x 1GB, a 500GB 7200 rpm HDD and went to Windows 7 Pro (32 Bit - don't ask me why).

Finally I upgraded it with the max. CPU the chipset can handle, a Core2Duo T7600 (2 x 2.33GHz, 4Megs Cache and still 166MHz FSB) and a SSD and 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM.

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So first question @Prima.Vera , what CPU do you have in there? Still the Core (1) Duo T2500? And what about memory? Still 1GB (2 x 512Megs)?
Getting Win 7 (even 64Bit) to work should be no problem, but some manual driver search since Dell doesn't provide any drivers for that OS. For the 64Bit version you would need a Core 2 Duo since the original Core Duo (like the T2500) lacks of 64Bit support as it is kind of a slapped together Pentium-M (Dothan Core). If it is still a Core Duo the 32Bit version of Win 7 will do just fine.
Some of the drivers like chipset and maybe some network controllers should be already included in Windows 7, some other you may need and want to add manually or update to their latest versions.

Memory should be at least 2GB for Win7. 1.5GB should also do but the more - the better.

To your primary question - SSD:
It IS possible to use a SSD with Windows XP. I would recommend Win 7 or newer because of the already integrated functions and awareness of a solid state drive. But as I said, Win XP should work fine too, with maybe some additional tools that trigger the TRIM function and/or a SSD that has some good garbage collection already built in (most newer SSDs do). There are some guides around the web for installing XP on an SSD. I would check them out if you really want to use XP. The right alignment of the partition also matters, so you may want to create a partition with a proper program or use Win 7(/8/10) or these setup discs on another PC to just create the partition, then installing XP on it without repartitioning it again.

The chipset, or to be exact, the southbridge of the laptop only is the ICH7M variant. Technically it should be able to do SATA II like it's desktop brother but for what reason Intel disabled it and switched back to only SATA I mode. It also doesn't support AHCI that could enable further features like NCQ and native TRIM support even for the integrated AHCI SATA driver in Windows 7 (msahci) that ist already great for a SSD.

So your SSD will be maxed out at a theoretical 150 MB/s and with XP lacking of TRIM support out of the (OS) box.
All in all a SSD in that state still ist a lot faster than a HDD, especially if it still is a 5400 rpm drive. That's because of the fast access times of the SSD.

As for compatibility - initially I used a SanDisk X400 256GB SSD in that old Aspire. I had a issue with it, when I cold booted the laptop it would hang after POST/BIOS screen not recognizing the SSD. A Ctrl+Alt+Del did help and the laptop detected the SSD and booted without a problem. That happend EVERY time I switched on the laptop.
I finally exchanged the X400 with my old Samsung 840 Pro 256GB and the issue was gone. Although the 840 Pro is something like 'pearls before swine' there - it works quite nice.

You do notice that the SSD isn't working as fast as it may could in that laptop, but it is still faster than some rather new laptops still with (maybe even low 5400 rpm) hard disk drives. Not too shabby for a 10 year old laptop (upgraded to it's max.)

Let me / us know about your config and if you need help on finding drivers for Win 7 if you chose to switch to that OS as recommended.
 
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2 problems with the laptop, therefore the reason for a x32 bit Windows XP
- The mobo chipset is a shitty Intel 945PM Express which can only use maximum of 3.25GB of RAM (I have 3GB anyways installed)
- As much as I want Windows 10 drivers, and believe me I've tried with 7,8.1 and 10, there are NO DRIVERS for video card, sound card, LAN card, chipset, USB, etc. I couldn't believe the mess DELL made with the support for this laptop.


I have a DV6000 (Core Duo T2450 @ 2Ghz, same 945 chipset). Only issue I had with W10 was with the graphics driver but it'll take the W7 driver from Intel, at least on mine. Although it didn't seem to be needed I also installed the Intel INF update with no problems. The RAM limit is actually 3GB, it can't address more (I have 2x2GB RAM sticks and only 3GB are usable).

OP, I would suggest you to install W7 x86 for the best results since there is official support for W7 on the 945 chipset. Also it would get you TRIM which is important for SSD performance and life span.
 
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2 problems with the laptop, therefore the reason for a x32 bit Windows XP
- The mobo chipset is a shitty Intel 945PM Express which can only use maximum of 3.25GB of RAM (I have 3GB anyways installed)
- As much as I want Windows 10 drivers, and believe me I've tried with 7,8.1 and 10, there are NO DRIVERS for video card, sound card, LAN card, chipset, USB, etc. I couldn't believe the mess DELL made with the support for this laptop.

No vista drivers?
 
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as is sound , lan,wi-fi. chipset, all usb ports ( never tried the Modem ).

Not to bad for a Dustbin/Dumpster find for FREE
For some reason, the video drivers of Windows 7 makes the games unplayable, a lot of artifarts and stuttering is terrible. On Win XP, those games are flying. Play a lot of KOTOR I and II, Counter Strike,
Also another MAJOR issue with Windows 7, is the sound drivers. I cannot ever find a driver that can enable back the subwoofer on the laptop as much as I tried. There is a big no-no for me, since I play my games and listen to the music sometimes without any speakers/headsets.
 
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"However if I buy a faster drive, will I see any performance improvements over a cheaper/weaker one?" No. Most SSD's do 500mB/s. You'll oinly see 150mB/s. Might as well just use a HDD.
 
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"However if I buy a faster drive, will I see any performance improvements over a cheaper/weaker one?" No. Most SSD's do 500mB/s. You'll oinly see 150mB/s. Might as well just use a HDD.
Well, that's maximum read or transfer speed. The access times I think are the most important here... Also this, and as you can see is nowhere near the SATA I max throughput...*
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