Jaguar to take on Tesla

[m1dg3t]

If I aint too stoned, the first cars were electric? For those 'debating' that.

That's like saying ~ how come anything made in China isn't totally & absolutely junk

Sense of humour; You have?

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Ford owned Jaguar from 1999 -2008

 

[D007]

Because everyone loves pumping gas.. For TWO HOURS! lol..

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

You want a self driving car and a charging point outside the pub......

 

[slozomby]

Because everyone loves pumping gas.. For TWO HOURS! lol..

in the bay area there are charging stations everywhere.

 

[Tatty_Two]

One day when I win the lottery

Don't worry, they are not going to start building them until 2018 and by then the tech will be already outdated so they will probably be half the price to get rid of them.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

in the bay area there are charging stations everywhere.

Kind of ironic... California's Growing Imported Electricity Problem ...the state least willing to produce electricity is trying their hardest to make people dependent on electricity for transportation.

There's only one nuclear power plant running in California now and California wants to shut it down, replacing it with solar. It will cost $15 billion. If PG&E (operator of the power plant) were smart (), they'd be adding capacity in the form of nuclear reactors. A replacement 2.2 GW power station is expected to cost about $15.4 billion (similar initial cost, much longer life span and operationally lower cost per kwh). This underscores how invaluable nuclear (and any base power source like coal, really) is:

Based on current prices and generating capacity for solar power, the company would need 10,500 megawatts of new solar installations to replace all of Diablo Canyon’s output, the research concluded.

10.5 GW of solar to replace a 2.2 GW nuclear reactor. And that's not adding capacity, that's simply replacing existing capacity. California already imports 33% of their electricity from other states (and they're sick of California's shenanigans).

 

[slozomby]

Kind of ironic... California's Growing Imported Electricity Problem ...the state least willing to produce electricity is trying their hardest to make people dependent on electricity for transportation.

theres strong solar and wind pushes going on. and its not like there are geologically stable places that make sense for a reactor here. I'm far less concerned about electricity imports than water imports. that's what's killing us here.

 

[Frick]

My little 2015 Subaru Impreza will go 350 on a full tank before I fill it up. If electric cars managed 400M, then it would be (what I would consider,) on par with gasoline vehicles.

Except it doesn't take ten minutes to recharge the car.

Personally I really see the car as a multitool. I should be able to go anywhere with it. And I have a car so I don't have to plan around public transportation; I don't want to plan around where in the frozen woods of northern sweden there is a charge point when I visit relatives when it's -30 outside. Electric vehicles is good for plenty of people I suppose, but I really can't see them becoming popular around where I live and even where I visit.

 

[Beastie]

Battery powered cars seem like a fundamentally environmentally unfriendly idea to me.

I hold out much more hope for some sort of hydrogen fuelled vehicle.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Looks nothing like a Jag. It will sell like ass.

Ford Escort Cosworth comes to mind, though...

 

[dorsetknob]

10.5 GW of solar to replace a 2.2 GW nuclear reactor. Reason: nuclear produces ~100% power 24/7, solar does not.

Look at it like this way
Downtime = no power
Solar Power min 5 hours a Day 365 days a year
Nuclear power = Once every ? Years for 6 months (guestmate ) and Second Reactor Brought on line to Cover 1st's Downtime

Now where is the Solar Back up
PS You can Build Reactors in the Arctic but Solar is worse than useless in an Arctic Winter

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Nuclear reactors tend to gain capacity with time (~380 MW -> ~400 MW -> ~480 MW), not decrease like solar (and especially batteries).

• The plant set a world record in 1988 for continuous operation of 477 days.
• The plant set another record “breaker to breaker” run of 483 days in 1998-99.
• The shortest refueling outage to date at the site was completed on June 3, 2002 and lasted 29.1 days.

That said, it was the smallest nuclear power plant in the USA (decommissioned less than a month ago )

Nuclear power plants usually do scheduled maintenance when they can get by without it (in northern states, that's the fall/spring). They're all running (unless emergency) in the winter because electrical demand for heating soars.


Solar gains/loses power with the seasons and weather too.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

While I prefer the Rimac, its no match for Tesla's more affordable pricetag. Buit then again, Tesla is in mass production, Rimac is not. I hope Wag-wuar is competitive enough to bring Tesla's prices down.

 

[dorsetknob]

They Plan on Shipping it with a Free punkah wallah installed in the Boot ( emergency Battery Back up )

 

[Xzibit]

While I prefer the Rimac, its no match for Tesla's more affordable pricetag. Buit then again, Tesla is in mass production, Rimac is not. I hope Wag-wuar is competitive enough to bring Tesla's prices down.

Tesla got there by being subsidized by tax payers. He tried to buy one of his failing ventures with the other one. Hey tax-payers buy my other company your subsidizing that is failing.

 

[cadaveca]

Tesla got there by being subsidized by tax payers. He tried to buy one of his failing ventures with the other one. Hey tax-payers buy my other company your subsidizing that is failing.

What makes Musk and his companies so amazing is that what he is really doing is starting to develop and build an infrastructure that can have us colonizing other planets. One single product doesn't matter... it's about having every little detail covered so that daily living is still easy on Mars. With there being so many possible methods for electrical generation, things like oil seem old and outdated, especially if these "resources" are not available on a distant planet.

That's why he is not only doing solar roofing, electric cars, but also rockets. It is also why he never needs to have a company make a profit. The actual purpose is far too grand to have money get in the way. Musk is in it for the long haul, both literally and figuratively.

While I prefer the Rimac, its no match for Tesla's more affordable pricetag. Buit then again, Tesla is in mass production, Rimac is not. I hope Wag-wuar is competitive enough to bring Tesla's prices down.

Honestly, I see that car as nothing other than a test-bed for the batteries they produce. They might sell a few just because they can, but for sure they are a boutique car builder, and I have no problem with that. That's why I brought them up anyway... the batteries. The car is so functional because it makes sense to have a test-bed that can be configured in various ways so that you can test different usage scenarios for your real product...


Anyway, haven driven the F-Type and the F-Pace, I kind of like the idea of the I-Pace. While it might not be the best option out there, the I=Pace is something I can show my wife, and she will like. In fact, I did show her, and she did like it. . If I get one, it wouldn't be for me exactly, and that, I think, is kind of the point. Vehicles like this are for women with kids, not guys with beer bellies.

 

[Xzibit]

What makes Musk and his companies so amazing is that what he is really doing is starting to develop and build an infrastructure that can have us colonizing other planets. One single product doesn't matter... it's about having every little detail covered so that daily living is still easy on Mars. With there being so many possible methods for electrical generation, things like oil seem old and outdated, especially if these "resources" are not available on a distant planet.

That's why he is not only doing solar roofing, electric cars, but also rockets. It is also why he never needs to have a company make a profit. The actual purpose is far too grand to have money get in the way. Musk is in it for the long haul, both literally and figuratively.

And the tax-payer is putting up 1/5th of that on all his ventures win or loose. He also gets upset about the same thing that helped him when others his rivals achieve success through that very same means. He lobbies against it. That's hypocrisy.

 

[cadaveca]

And the tax-payer is putting up 1/5th of that on all his ventures win or loose. He also gets upset about the same thing that helped him when others his rivals achieve success through that very same means. He lobbies against it. That's hypocrisy.

I'm not saying how he behaves or how he runs his business is OK; I think he just really doesn't care. He's not a very good public speaker either. Yet his grand vision lets him get away with lots.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

@cadaveca
I found a proper Jag for you........if you can stretch to one million quid.



Only 16 of 25 famous XKSS convertibles were completed when nine cars earmarked for export to North America were lost in a fire at Jaguar’s Browns Lane factory in Coventry. Six decades on these nine 'lost' vehicles are being built at last.

The nine cars will be ‘completely new’ with period chassis numbers from the original XKSS chassis log. They are being built by the Classic Division of Jaguar Land Rover’s Coventry-based Special Vehicle Operations arm.

The price for the original XKSS was just £5,000

The car accelerates from rest to 60mph in 5.5 seconds and to 100mph in 13.5 seconds powered by its 3.4 litre XK straight six engine and helped by its lightweight aluminium body. Jaguar said its engineers could have tweaked the car – using advances in technology that iron out some of the challenges of the 1950s – but decided against that to keep the feel and performance as authentic as possible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XKSS

 

[RejZoR]

I really dig the looks of this one. I just hate that consumers get these ugly electric cans and all the cool stuff are 150.000 electric sports cars. Why the hell no one makes a car looking similar to this for 12-15k € ? I don't need it to do 200mph. I'm fine with top speed of 200km/h and acceleration of ~8 seconds. Hell, I could even live with 10 sec acceleration. Basically, an equivalent of a 110 HP petrol car.

Toyota Prius is ugly as sin and costs like 30k, I really like the looks of Nissan Leaf, but it has rubbish range and costs too much. Unless they change something, people just aren't going to buy electric cars en mass anytime soon.

 

[dorsetknob]

While it might not be the best option out there, the I=Pace is something I can show my wife, and she will like. In fact, I did show her, and she did like it. .

Range in Temperate Climate 200 to max 300 miles
Range in Sub/Artic Climate 50 to 100 miles ( need to use electrical heating and Cold Sapping weather on those Battery's)
In Cold Climates Battery powered Cars SUCK at least internal Combustion engines can heat the Passenger Space

ps Soft top Cars in winter will spend most time Garraged

 

[erocker]

Why the hell no one makes a car looking similar to this for 12-15k € ?

Price needs to catch up to the tech. It'll be a few more years. Tesla and other companies need to finish building the infrastructure to make the giant batteries cheaper.. Really though, battery tech still needs a little ways to go.

 

[cadaveca]

@cadaveca
I found a proper Jag for you........if you can stretch to one million quid.

One of my ultimate dream cars, actually. Jaguar isn't popular, but I like them a lot. I have plans for a DB9 though.

Range in Temperate Climate 200 to max 300 miles
Range in Sub/Artic Climate 50 to 100 miles ( need to use electrical heating and Cold Sapping weather on those Battery's)
In Cold Climates Battery powered Cars SUCK at least internal Combustion engines can heat the Passenger Space

ps Soft top Cars in winter will spend most time Garraged

Yep, was aware of that. AWD to transport my kids in winter only, anyway, since I live a bit out of the city.

 

[cdawall]

300M isn't exactly long distance, it could be a daily commute here, and 4 Fiestas? Not if they are the ST model, then it is two.
So who makes the batteries for these, Tesla?

I would probably burn through it on a daily basis. I travel roughly 100-120 miles per day and a good portion of it is stop and go traffic which would make it worse. It doesn't help as it gets cooler the range would get worse.