Intel to license AMD Radeon IP

[dj-electric]

Well if intel can't give us good CPU's after the 6700K, may aswell look to AMD to push them forwards.. lol.

According to hexus, the 7700K is a best-case stand-still. worse case worse-performer

 

[thesmokingman]

Another thing is that Nvidia sorely want an x86 license and Intel won't license x86 to anyone anymore.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

If NVIDIA wanted it that bad, they could have dangled the GPU license over Intel's head. I don't know if there's any price Intel would accept though. Also remember that there are cross-licensing deals between Intel and AMD involving AMD64 (and others).

 

[thesmokingman]

If NVIDIA wanted it that bad, they could have dangled the GPU license over Intel's head. I don't know if there's any price Intel would accept though. Also remember that there are cross-licensing deals between Intel and AMD involving AMD64 (and others).

They couldn't. Remember Intel/Nv had an IP fall out, till they reached a cross deal agreement and that DID NOT include x86. If they were in a position to secure x86, they would have back then. And as you pointed out they would also need AMD64. Nvidia has been forced to stick with Arm... lot of luck that brought them.

 

[dorsetknob]

And Do not forget Nvidia would be in a world of hurt if they tried to licence/ use AMD64 as AMD can Claim in Court its a Patented Trade Secret not covered by any Frand Agreement But a Cross licence Agreement with INTEL

People should also be aware that Nvidia does have an X86 licence
but its no wuckin good to them
Historicaly Nviia made x86 Chips
they were 386sx chips

• Nvidia (M6117C - 386SX - discontinued)
• ALi (x86 products went to Nvidia through the ULi sale)

Oh and here is a link to a Nvidia webpage
http://www.nvidia.com/page/uli_m6117c.html

 

[Dbiggs9]

http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/40631/

More sites jumping on this, they say it is a done deal.

Sounds like if they don't sign AMD or Nvidia they would have to drop the igpu from there chips

 

[Vario]

Intel/Radeon was the traditional pairing against AMD/Nvidia before AMD bought Radeon.

 

[Dbiggs9]

Would be hot if your i3 i5 i7 had a killer Radeon on it something like ps4 power. Just a dream but would be cool

 

[Vario]

Might just be Intel Graphics with a substitute Radeon name on it rather than actual Radeon collaboration.

 

[cdawall]

It still results in a lack of competition. Competition is not just about costs to consumers. Competition drives R&D and advances in technologies so one competitor can stay ahead of the others becoming the choice of consumers. A lack of competition reduces choices for consumers. Fewer choices lead to monopolies and those are never good for consumers. We've seen this over and over again. For example, in the airline, fuels, and pharmaceutical industries, and on Wall Street.

AMD and Intel still compete a licensed IP for an IGP won't lesson competition in fact it will probably increase it.

Let's make a quick example let's say I have managed to integrated an rx460 on die,(this isn't possible in current packaging) and I gave licensed that to Intel. I as the IP holder would make damn sure my CPU is going to give a better score with my GPU than with my competitors.

More AMD GCN products also means more game developers writing code for AMD GCN, which means better performance for all GCN product users.

I see nothing bad with this. More money for AMD, more PR for AMD, more AMD products sold, more development of AMD GPU's etc.

 

[Caring1]

Would be hot if your i3 i5 i7 had a killer Radeon on it something like ps4 power. Just a dream but would be cool

Hmmm, an Intel APU would be interesting.

 

[R0H1T]

I don't think Intel need AMD or NVIDIA to build a decent GPU if they want to.

Don't think it's true at all, it's like saying Intel could deliver 5Ghz CPU's only if they (really) wanted to. Sure it's a possibility but Intel has never been a leader in the GPU space, heck they had to license PowerVR for their Atom SoC's in the past.

Might just be Intel Graphics with a substitute Radeon name on it rather than actual Radeon collaboration.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking as well, just like the Nvidia licensing deal. I doubt there was anything from Nvidia that went straight into their IGP, it was probably just a deal to prevent trigger happy Nvidia from suing them in case Intel happened to infringe upon a patent or two.

 

[qubit]

Don't think it's true at all, it's like saying Intel could deliver 5Ghz CPU's only if they (really) wanted to. Sure it's a possibility but Intel has never been a leader in the GPU space, heck they had to license PowerVR for their Atom SoC's in the past.

I explained why in post 12.

 

[64K]

It's good to see AMD catching a break if this deal does go through. I follow AMD stock somewhat even though I don't buy individual stocks and I am very impressed with their stocks performance. Apparently quite a few investors are as well. It's currently trading for $9.45 a share which is the highest it's been in about 6 years. If you bought in about 9 months ago at $2.00 a share when things looked bleak for AMD then you would have made a 470% profit if you sold today.

 

[dorsetknob]

Smirk
Tweektown showing Story with no Ad block restrictions who would have thought !!!

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/55341/amd-radeon-gpu-tech-power-intels-next-gen-igpus/index.html

 

[Dbiggs9]

It's good to see AMD catching a break if this deal does go through. I follow AMD stock somewhat even though I don't buy individual stocks and I am very impressed with their stocks performance. Apparently quite a few investors are as well. It's currently trading for $9.45 a share which is the highest it's been in about 6 years. If you bought in about 9 months ago at $2.00 a share when things looked bleak for AMD then you would have made a 470% profit if you sold today.

This i did but selling before Zen could be leaving lots of money on the table. Google,Apple,Alibaba, PS/Xbone they have setup a lot of deals this year

 

[revin]

Smirk
Tweektown showing Story with no Ad block restrictions who would have thought !!!

GEEZ !!!
So I had left that page up in a tab and lo and behold they tried to snipe me with a fake flash update !!!
but now it will only show the blank page after I backed out then came back !

 

[dorsetknob]

? never got the Flash update Fake or not
And to Digress " Fake Flash update on Tweektown" wonder why people insist on an Ad Blocker

revin Perhaps you should post that on that Tweektown Ad Blocker thread or would that be a Sarcaspasm to far

edit
still viewable from here and no flash update crap either

 

[Caring1]

GEEZ !!!
So I had left that page up in a tab and lo and behold they tried to snipe me with a fake flash update !!!
but now it will only show the blank page after I backed out then came back !

You sure it has nothing to do with those dodgy sites you been perving at?

 

[revin]

Not lately ,
edit: Duh...the tumblr ...I'm too focused on loosing the HIS 480IceQRoaring for $200!!!

 

[Komshija]

Hmm... That's interesting!
Office and budget PC's are based on integrated GPU's, so Intel probably wants to improve their graphics. There could be a possibility that Intel plans further expansion into the smartphone/tablet or even console segment, so, naturally, they'll want a stronger built-in GPU. AMD needs money and Intel needs tech. It's a win-win situation for both Intel and AMD, but only if AMD protects its patents and technical know-how in a "closed-source" fashion.

 

[Caring1]

Not lately ,

Those screen shots you posted show otherwise

 

[Bill_Bright]

I see nothing bad with this. More money for AMD, more PR for AMD, more AMD products sold, more development of AMD GPU's etc.

Of course it is good for AMD. That does NOT make it good for consumers!

Cooperative agreements between the two dominant corporations in ANY one industry is never good for consumers. It always results in fewer choices for consumers and that is never good for consumers. If you don't see where fewer choices is bad for consumers, then I don't know what to say but to look at the lessons learned in the history of capitalism and consumer rights. Read the WSJ. Take business 101 and economics 101 classes. See how free enterprise and competition works.

As I noted earlier, we've seen where fewer choices hurts consumers over and over again with the airlines, fuels, and pharmaceutical industries, and big banks on Wall Street. Why you don't think it would be the same with IGPs is unfathomable.

Why do you think Internet service providers don't want other providers in their neighborhoods? Why doesn't Yellow Cab like Uber?

Why are there so many laws to protect consumers from price fixing and antitrust issues? It sure isn't to protect the dominant corporations! Read up on the "competitive effects of mergers" and business agreements to see how they "harm consumers".

Just because this is a great deal for AMD, that in no way means it is good in any way for us consumers. If AMD knows Intel is no longer investing R&D resources in these IGPs, the completion goes away! It only makes sense AMD would invest their much more limited resources elsewhere. The result is fewer choices for us and stagnant or delayed advances in technology innovations.

Did I mention fewer choices is bad for us?

I am not asking you to believe me. I provided no less than 5 links to corroborating evidence. I am asking you to believe them.

 

[cdawall]

Of course it is good for AMD. That does NOT make it good for consumers!

Cooperative agreements between the two dominant corporations in ANY one industry is never good for consumers. It always results in fewer choices for consumers and that is never good for consumers. If you don't see where fewer choices is bad for consumers, then I don't know what to say but to look at the lessons learned in the history of capitalism and consumer rights. Read the WSJ. Take business 101 and economics 101 classes. See how free enterprise and competition works.

As I noted earlier, we've seen where fewer choices hurts consumers over and over again with the airlines, fuels, and pharmaceutical industries, and big banks on Wall Street. Why you don't think it would be the same with IGPs is unfathomable.

Why do you think Internet service providers don't want other providers in their neighborhoods? Why doesn't Yellow Cab like Uber?

Why are there so many laws to protect consumers from price fixing and antitrust issues? It sure isn't to protect the dominant corporations! Read up on the "competitive effects of mergers" and business agreements to see how they "harm consumers".

Just because this is a great deal for AMD, that in no way means it is good in any way for us consumers. If AMD knows Intel is no longer investing R&D resources in these IGPs, the completion goes away! It only makes sense AMD would invest their much more limited resources elsewhere. The result is fewer choices for us and stagnant or delayed advances in technology innovations.

Did I mention fewer choices is bad for us?

I am not asking you to believe me. I provided no less than 5 links to corroborating evidence. I am asking you to believe them.

Remember how the x86 and x86-64 licensing agreements went that would be IP sharing to a t. Would you say that those agreements hurt consumers? Not everything shared is doom and gloom. GM and Ford are currently sharing transmission designs in multiple cars and truck. They are still competitors and using the knowledge of both companies is providing me the consumer a better product.

This situation is two major companies sharing something that is going to better the products of both companies. That is good for the consumers. If you would like me to dig up additional IP sharing scenarios that have bettered consumer products it isn't hard. Competition will still exist as it does between Ford and GM, yet they share one of the most important driveline components.

 

[RejZoR]

But in this specific case, it's going to hurt AMD. Sure, they'll get financial injection short term, but long term, GPU's are what gives them edge over ALL Intel products, especially with their APUs. If Intel licenses that, AMD basically loses the only edge. Unless they have a limited range of products that will be licensed while higher end GPUs for APUs will remain under their control. Then, it can still be beneficial.