Samsung Rapid mode improves gaming performance?

[Bill_Bright]

I should have been more clear. It loads when Windows starts and according to some reviews, that can result in minor delays before Windows is fully ready.

 

[cdawall]

I should have been more clear. It loads when Windows starts and according to some reviews, that can result in minor delays before Windows is fully ready.

Measurable?

 

[Bill_Bright]

That's the point, isn't it? If RAPID mode provided noticeable (I don't care about "measurable" - I have to "see" it for it to be meaningful for me) for my favorite programs without degrading other aspects of my computing experience, then I would be all for it. But frankly, I see it as middle man between me and what I want to do. And generally middlemen take more than they give.

 

[cdawall]

That's the point, isn't it? If RAPID mode provided noticeable (I don't care about "measurable" - I have to "see" it for it to be meaningful for me) for my favorite programs without degrading other aspects of my computing experience, then I would be all for it. But frankly, I see it as middle man between me and what I want to do. And generally middlemen take more than they give.

If it was noticeable it would be measurable, if it isn't measurable it isn't a real thing.

 

[Bill_Bright]

If it was noticeable it would be measurable

Yes, but many things big enough to be measureable are too small to notice or be seen. This is why many benchmark programs and stats are pointless. If you can only see it on paper, is it worth it - except for bragging rights? Not to me.

 

[cdawall]

Yes, but many things big enough to be measureable are too small to notice or be seen. This is why many benchmark programs and stats are pointless. If you can only see it on paper, is it worth it - except for bragging rights? Not to me.

Loading times are measurable and some times substantially different.

 

[Jetster]

Yes, but many things big enough to be measureable are too small to notice or be seen. This is why many benchmark programs and stats are pointless. If you can only see it on paper, is it worth it - except for bragging rights? Not to me.

Benchmarks are helpful to elevate the "feels faster" effect as none of us are completely objective. Sometimes its baby steps that lead to big performance breakthroughs. As far as rapid mode? Pointless IMO

 

[Bill_Bright]

Loading times are measurable and some times substantially different.

Again, measurable does not always equate to noticeable. And many times, NOT substantially different. The difference is often measured in milliseconds - clearly measurable, but hardly noticeable, if noticeable at all.

Benchmarks are helpful to elevate the "feels faster" effect

"Feels" faster. That's funny. When I'm going 70MPH in my truck, it "feels" faster than 70MPH in my car. But guess what? I get to my destination in exactly the same amount of time.

 

[Prima.Vera]

I have 32GB ram and i have 50GB of virtual memory on SSD (850 Evo)

50GB of wasted space right there... Just leave it on auto, Windows knows better how much it needs.

 

[fullinfusion]

I use the NEW updated software and I see a nice bump in performance

The older software sucked bag but the latest is nice and works well imho

 

[RejZoR]

50GB of wasted space right there... Just leave it on auto, Windows knows better how much it needs.

With 32GB RAM it needs exactly 16MB which is the recommended minimum.

 

[cdawall]

Again, measurable does not always equate to noticeable. And many times, NOT substantially different. The difference is often measured in milliseconds - clearly measurable, but hardly noticeable, if noticeable at all.

You play fallout? It makes a noticeable measurable difference on the constant loading screens. Quite a few games it helps with. Things it doesn't affect at all, boot up time. You know your argument against it.

 

[Bill_Bright]

You play fallout?

So what? You just cherry pick specific examples trying to justify whatever position you are taking at the moment as though it makes it absolute; that it applies to every program and every person in every scenario. Bull feathers! Have you gone back to the beginning of this nearly year old thread and read where other gamers noticed no difference?

It is clear all you want to do is argue - flip-flopping just to keep argueing. You failed to rationalize your claim that "measurable" and "noticeable" are the same thing, so now you try use "noticeable measureable". That is either just silly or pathetic, or both.

I have said throughout this thread, it depends on your normal computing habits, how much RAM you have to begin with, and YMMV. To use your "absolute" argument, it made no difference with my 69 page 23,344 Word document. Therefore, your position is null and void.

I never - as in NEVER EVER said it didn't work.

If it works for you great! But don't assume it works for everyone, or that your position is what everyone must follow. But when it comes to your position, you don't even know what it is.

Here's how silly/pathetic your flip-flopping argumentative way is; a demonstration showing all you want to do is argue. From your post #62, you just said,

It makes a noticeable measurable difference on the constant loading screens. Quite a few games it helps with.

Yet in your own words from your first post in this thread in post #17 YOU answered the OP's question, 'does Samsung's RAPID mode improve gaming performance?', and you said,

Makes no difference. If you want more performance get another solid state and use raid.

There's no point in further discussion for we can see whatever it is, you will oppose it. Good day.

 

[cdawall]

I tested it myself against a set of ssd's in raid, am I not allowed to change my opinion after testing? I had used it in the past, and it made no difference the latest iteration of the software is actually pretty awesome.

And I did cherry pick a specific example based off of a game I am currently playing. What more real world instances would you want than programs actively being used?

 

[Bill_Bright]

You are still arguing just for the sake of arguing! Once again, I have NEVER EVER said it didn't work!

So I give and you win! Obviously everybody in the whole wide world and everyone (but me, apparently) on TPU are avid Fall Out players with hardware specs the same as you. Therefore, everyone should enable RAPID mode to not only "measure", but clearly "notice" improved performance. There! Happy now?

End of discussion.

 

[Jetster]

Again, measurable does not always equate to noticeable. And many times, NOT substantially different. The difference is often measured in milliseconds - clearly measurable, but hardly noticeable, if noticeable at all.

"Feels" faster. That's funny. When I'm going 70MPH in my truck, it "feels" faster than 70MPH in my car. But guess what? I get to my destination in exactly the same amount of time.

So the clock would be a benchmark and measurable

 

[cdawall]

You are still arguing just for the sake of arguing! Once again, I have NEVER EVER said it didn't work!

So I give and you win! Obviously everybody in the whole wide world and everyone (but me, apparently) on TPU are avid Fall Out players with hardware specs the same as you. Therefore, everyone should enable RAPID mode to not only "measure", but clearly "notice" improved performance. There! Happy now?

End of discussion.

So what part of what I said is wrong? Steam averages 20k players of FA4 on steam pc alone I'm sure hardware is all over the place, but seeing how >90% of all SSD's sold are Samsung I bet quite a few of them are using this program. More than one person on this thread has commented that it helps game screen loading time. Not all of us are crotchety old men who patiently wait for loading screens like you. Instead of claiming the program hurts performance try it out for yourself? I'm glad I did. Free performance is free performance and a rare gem in this world.

 

[Bill_Bright]

So the clock would be a benchmark and measurable

Because you didn't use any punctuation, I don't know if that is a statement, or a question. And I don't know what you mean by "clock" here but if you mean time, then of course, time is measureable.

But "measurable" does not mean it is "noticeable". Are you going to notice if Fall Out (since clearly you play that too! ) loads 300ms faster? That's just 3/10ths of 1 second. What about 100ms?

If it works for you, fine. Use it. But if you don't "notice" any real (not imagined) differences on the programs you use most, I say you don't need yet another program running in the middle. Especially with Windows 10, which knows how to use SSDs just fine.

 

[Jetster]

I was just pointing out that benchmarks have there place. Obviously not in this case.

 

[ithehappy]

I have never used it, just keep it installed that's all. The moment I saw that it uses RAM to give you performance boost I was over with it. Let alone using RAPID mode, I haven't even used that OS Optimise thingy (does that one work?). Also the version I have installed, 4.9.7, has some bug where it can't find my SATA Interface and AHCI shows as Disabled, LOL! I don't know if there is a newer version which fixes that.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I sure am not suggesting Samsung SSDs users never use it. But I am saying your mileage may vary. So give it try. But understand the desire for humans to see good where it does not exist is strong - to a fault. So if you see any improvement, make sure it is real and not wishful thinking or just the placebo effect.

 

[cdawall]

I sure am not suggesting Samsung SSDs users never use it. But I am saying your mileage may vary. So give it try. But understand the desire for humans to see good where it does not exist is strong - to a fault. So if you see any improvement, make sure it is real and not wishful thinking or just wishful thinking.

It is about even with my NVMe in loading times using an old 845DC

 

[gottistar]

lol, at the answers....

.....its does.....it doesnt......it does.....it doesnt

I say it makes no diff, if it does , it will very very marginal.

 

[cat1092]

It is about even with my NVMe in loading times using an old 845DC

My 512GB Samsung 950 PRO NVMe blows the windows clean off of my 850 Samsung Pro of the same size (I have several Samsung 840-850 series SSD's), regardless of what I do, on Windows 10 Pro or Linux Mint 17.1. RAPID is disabled for that model, it's not needed, as the near 2,600MB/sec & 1,500+MB/sec writes are real & not enhanced by software gimmicks. Yet some fools still believes that their Samsung 250GB EVO with RAPID enabled is still faster than a true NVMe SSD (& not the SATA-3 ones). NVMe SSD's are still kind of new to Windows users & market share is growing, for Linux users, these has out out of the box support since 2012, around the time of two OS's that are approaching EOL (Linux Mint 13 & Ubuntu 12.04 LTS).

Whether gaming, general usage, home office or even a server or heavy Workstation use (some of these applies to the 850 Pro also), the EVO's or anything with RAPID is chicken change when compared to a true NVMe SSD. The 960 PRO takes things to another level, which not only kicked the 256GB model to the curb, Samsung also began offering an EVO SSD for these drives, and these doesn't include (nor need) RAPID.

I'll be honest here, the only difference that I could actually feel with RAPID, was on SATA-2 hardware, where these drives gave the system(s) a much needed boost, yet there's some computers that'll still run kind of buggy with the software, including the one I'm now on. The Optiplex 780 is no pushover, runs Windows 10 like a champ, on a CPU predated the 'i' series, and the best of the business/consumer editions of the Intel Core 2 Quad. Of course there were/are still enthusiast editions that uses a lot more power (130W), way too much for this DT edition of the Optiplex 780 series (mid-choice). Even has a 1GB GDDR5 (UEFI approved) GPU that was transplanted from my XPS 8700, which has been gutted of it's CPU for a 2nd build, where the 512GB Samsung 850 Pro resides. I purchased this PC, which included the Q9650 & Windows 7 Pro (now W10 Pro) for just a bit more than the CPU alone sells for on eBay if from an original owner.

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/Z7HZTfUBSYlX2VexNcECoYx

Yet the specs to my sweetness, all built my my two hands & some specs won't be shown, such as the Fractal Design R5, EVGA Supernova G2 650, Noctua NH-D15 & more is in the below link, where my Samsung 950 PRO is installed. It's going to be later moved to a Intel 6 core build to have more PCIe lanes, plus nearly 2x the L3 cache of the CPU, or may simply purchase a 500GB 960 PRO, depending on funding.

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/gVBJx7ivpIeeuq7ZKUzXZEJ

Have fun gaming with RAPID!

Cat

 

[mcraygsx]

Besides synthetic Benchmark and while movies documents, I cant find usefulness of RAPID.

RAPID Disabled.

RAPID Enabled