Intel i7 7700K stagnate, but getting 5Ghz............

[EarthDog]

Have a look at techspot game reviews. They, prior to the last couple of reviews, test a slew of cpus. In most of those, not all, the 920 sits with the amd octo processors which are typically behind. Overclocking certainly helps, but it's still behind.. be it a few frames or dozens. Be it still playable or not. You want to mitigate it.. get a modern intel processor from IB on up. In some titles, even the 2600k is holding things back a bit.

 

[Recon-UK]

Have a look at techspot game reviews. They, prior to the last couple of reviews, test a slew of cpus. In most of those, not all, the 920 sits with the amd octo processors which are typically behind. Overclocking certainly helps, but it's still behind.. be it a few frames or dozens. Be it still playable or not. You want to mitigate it.. get a modern intel processor from IB on up. In some titles, even the 2600k is holding things back a bit.

Uhmm GTX 670 mate, seriously.

 

[qubit]

I'm going to leave it at that.

Thanks, appreciated.

 

[EarthDog]

There's a button for that.

 

[Frick]

There's a button for that.

Not if you're on LN2.

 

[ratirt]

Unfortunately, I have a more cynical viewpoint - the cartel.

I can just see AMD and Intel getting into a nice little cartel where they avoid stepping onto each other's toes and prices stay high on both sides. It wouldn't surprise me if they even agreed that stock AMD performance would always lag Intel by just a little bit too, to keep up the perception that AMD is perpetually second and more into the "value" product.

A cartel is illegal of course, so they'll cleverly do it in a way that isn't found out.

It's all supposition of course, as I don't have any evidence that they'll actually do this, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Knowing that AMD and Intel had such a spat in the past no cartel will be created. These are huge companies they care not only about cash(which is why they were created for in the first place) but also reputation. Don't think AMD will talk to Intel about the price point of the CPU's nor Intel will talk to AMD but if AMD's ZEN CPU's come out with a decent price intel will have to lower price for it's products and i'm like 100% sure that would be the case. Huge companies are not stupid and even if "cartel" will see the light with the 2 companies believe me the price will still be lower for intel's CPU's why? Because people are waiting for it and even if they drop 15-20% it will still be great.

 

[qubit]

Knowing that AMD and Intel had such a spat in the past no cartel will be created. These are huge companies they care not only about cash(which is why they were created for in the first place) but also reputation. Don't think AMD will talk to Intel about the price point of the CPU's nor Intel will talk to AMD but if AMD's ZEN CPU's come out with a decent price intel will have to lower price for it's products and i'm like 100% sure that would be the case. Huge companies are not stupid and even if "cartel" will see the light with the 2 companies believe me the price will still be lower for intel's CPU's why? Because people are waiting for it and even if they drop 15-20% it will still be great.

It's all supposition as I said. Basically a hunch that's all. Never let previous history rule anything out where there's big money involved.

 

[ratirt]

It's all supposition as I said. Basically a hunch that's all. Never let previous history rule anything out where there's big money involved.

History, something that has gone to past is certain. Future is all speculations but if you wanna know a bit of the future look how it worked in the past.

 

[thesmokingman]

This is cool that this chip can do 4.8 to 5.0ghz on air. It is more efficient and faster by 25 percent but not against overclocked chips...

There are no IPC gains, so it is only faster than the 6700K because of the fact that it starts at a higher clock and potentially or more likely overclocks higher. I suppose that's cool but it's not really that cool.

One thing I see though is that this stagnation gives AMD a chance to re-enter and maybe be competitive again. Maybe...

 

[terroralpha]

i went from a 2500K @4ghz to 5930K @4.7GHZ because the difference in performance was insanely steep. for example, making and extracting archives it's at least 5 times faster.

but i won't be upgrading for several years to come, even though i can afford to burn the money, simply because the gain won't be noticeable

 

[Derek12]

It's all energetic efficiency and in great part, mobile
NVMe, DDR4, USB 3.1 Thunderbolt etc.
End of Moore's Law.
AMD will also hit the wall.

 

[thesmokingman]

AMD will also hit the wall.

Intel has literally stopped thinking outside the box. Intel's box has gotten small and stale now. AMD cannot make as good a box because they just don't have the resources, so they have to think outside the box. In other words, instead of devising a better mouse trap, Intel just keeps pushing smaller and smaller and now they've hit the wall.

 

[FireFox]

now they've hit the wall.

I don't think so, that's what they make you believe.

 

[phanbuey]

I think that they haven't had much competition, and have had a hard time coming up with an x86 design that is widely compatible with old software but is much faster than the design they currently have.

Intel has been reportedly looking into revamping their chip design at the expense of backwards compatibility.

 

[Derek12]

Intel has literally stopped thinking outside the box. Intel's box has gotten small and stale now. AMD cannot make as good a box because they just don't have the resources, so they have to think outside the box. In other words, instead of devising a better mouse trap, Intel just keeps pushing smaller and smaller and now they've hit the wall.

I think is because the silicon has reached a point. Intel had to ditch tick tock, When graphene, quantum computing, alternate materials for ULSI circuits become feasible, then maybe there will be a new wider gap in performance between generations and Intel could reinstate tick tock. Meanwhile, all they can is improve efficiency and adopt new/future technologies as mentioned in my post.
AMD may have more room to improve upon their products, but they will also hit the wall imposed by the limits on the current semiconductor technology.

All this is my opinion

 

[thesmokingman]

I think is because the silicon has reached a point. Intel had to ditch tick tock, When graphene, quantum computing, alternate materials for ULSI circuits become feasible, then maybe there will be a new wider gap in performance between generations and Intel could reinstate tick tock. Meanwhile, all they can is improve efficiency and adopt new/future technologies as mentioned in my post.
AMD may have more room to improve upon their products, but they will also hit the wall imposed by the limits on the current semiconductor technology.

All this is my opinion

The limits of physics everyone will hit and Intel is hitting theirs now. However, I'm talking about design and that's where they are stagnate. W/o a competitor, they are not looking to improve anything but the obvious which is just to shrink shrink and more shrink. We see this in Krabby Lake, much ado about nothing but process improvement and no design leaps.

 

[Psychoholic]

I "Upgraded" to 7700K From 4790K just to simply be on the new platform/chipset.. Picked it up local yesterday from Fry's.

what can i say, i just like new hardware.. maybe its the "new motherboard" smell

 

[Derek12]

The limits of physics everyone will hit and Intel is hitting theirs now. However, I'm talking about design and that's where they are stagnate. W/o a competitor, they are not looking to improve anything but the obvious which is just to shrink shrink and more shrink. We see this in Krabby Lake, much ado about nothing but process improvement and no design leaps.

What do you mean by "design"?

Instructions per cycle?
Maximum clock rate?
Overall performance?
Overclocking capabilities?
Power efficiency?
More instructions like SSE or AVX?

I think those are also constrained to physics because you need to put a lot of transistors to improve these things.
Also the shrinking process could be challenged beyond 14nm in that case only researching new semiconductor material is possible.

 

[FireFox]

what can i say, i just like new hardware.. maybe its the "new motherboard" smell

I like that

 

[Mussels]

die shrunk 2500k/3770k with DDR4 support, is all i see.

All the other changes have been on the motherboard end of things (m.2 etc)

 

[Derek12]

die shrunk 2500k/3770k with DDR4 support, is all i see.

All the other changes have been on the motherboard end of things (m.2 etc)

From Sandy/Ivy Bridge to Kaby Lake there are more features than simply DDR4 and die shrink and not being on motherboard.
Like new instructions for example.

 

[R-T-B]

From Sandy/Ivy Bridge to Kaby Lake there are more features than simply DDR4 and die shrink and not being on motherboard.
Like new instructions for example.

And increased IPC, yeah. It's not a ton but there are differences.

 

[trt740]

What do you mean by "design"?

Instructions per cycle?
Maximum clock rate?
Overall performance?
Overclocking capabilities?
Power efficiency?
More instructions like SSE or AVX?

I think those are also constrained to physics because you need to put a lot of transistors to improve these things.
Also the shrinking process could be challenged beyond 14nm in that case only researching new semiconductor material is possible.

and you forgot Hot as hell

 

[thesmokingman]

What do you mean by "design"?

Instructions per cycle?
Maximum clock rate?
Overall performance?
Overclocking capabilities?
Power efficiency?
More instructions like SSE or AVX?

I think those are also constrained to physics because you need to put a lot of transistors to improve these things.
Also the shrinking process could be challenged beyond 14nm in that case only researching new semiconductor material is possible.

The ?'s are all measurements, but the design... hmm architecture is probably more of what you're expecting I'm guessing. There's a reason AMD brought Jim Keller back to helm the design of the Zen family. They went back to the drawing table and started from the ground up with Zen. Contrast this with Intel, who have not fundamentally changed since the Core design dating back to the mid 90's after abandoning the failed Netburst. They've been improving upon Core for decades now and it seems they've hit the end of the gravy train.

 

[Outback Bronze]

what can i say, i just like new hardware.. maybe its the "new motherboard" smell

Yeah me too matey!

Its the smell of a new power supply, once they burn it a little that really gets my hairs sticking on end