*poll* Nvidia Voltage Limit! Stop Killing me!

[Mr.Scott]

I'll simplify it for you. Overclocking voids warranty. People abusing warranty costs both Nvidia and every other patron money. Want to blame somebody? Blame the RMA fraudsters. That's why the locks have been tightened down.
When people learn to take responsibility for their own actions maybe that will change, but I doubt it. Decades of damage has already been done.

 

[sneekypeet]

I just don't see the point in this. I mean to say, take anything you can buy as examples. I buy a car and get a 5 year warranty, I have a choice. Drive what they gave me for that time, or add parts/tune the computer and void the warranty. As said a few times before, do not MOD something you cannot afford to lose, it is as simple as that. Let's be blunt for a second. If your card maker saw what you have already done to that gpu, they would tell you to pound sand if you tried to RMA it at this point in its life.

There is a reason xfx stopped offering a no questions asked unlimited warranty, they lost their asses! Asking a manufacturer to take the hit because "you wanted more" is childish and selfish to me. Save some of this money you are throwing around at attempting to move to ln2 cooling and you could have had a backup card or two, and not cared when they caught fire/lost their magic smoke. Not trying to belittle you in any way, just trying to help you with reality.

Things are built with safety in mind, otherwise I could buy a NASCAR off the showroom floor.

 

[infrared]

No offence but your "idea" isn't realistic, that's why everyone gets annoyed when you only defend your own thoughts instead of listening to others.

 

[dorsetknob]

Things are built with safety in mind, otherwise I could buy a NASCAR off the showroom floor.

And EXPECT THE STREET RETAIL model full Warranty

 

[sneekypeet]

And EXPECT THE STREET RETAIL model full Warranty

I did forget that bit....quite right!

 

[infrared]

Well, to be fair that might have been too strong a word for it. Frustrated fits better

But can you honestly say to yourself that you listened to, acknowledged or understood anyone else's opinion here?

 

[Vellinious]

I'll simplify it for you. Overclocking voids warranty. People abusing warranty costs both Nvidia and every other patron money. Want to blame somebody? Blame the RMA fraudsters. That's why the locks have been tightened down.
When people learn to take responsibility for their own actions maybe that will change, but I doubt it. Decades of damage has already been done.

Uh, no. Overclocking does not void warranty. I don't know of any board partner in fact, that doesn't encourage it.

 

[MrGenius]

No. Just no. For all the reasons previously mentioned.

 

[Vellinious]

Personally, I don't see them doing any of the sort. Far, far too many stupid people out there with visions of grandeur that don't have the necessary cooling to add voltage and make it worth it.

 

[buildzoid]

Nvidia steadily locking down cards more and more is the reason I stopped buying them. It used to be that you could hard mod Nvidia cards for everything you needed. But with the 10 series you keep running into various stupid safeties. Did you short out the shunts too much? Card stuck at 139MHz. Replace the VRM with E-power? Card stuck at 139MHz. Raise Vcore above ~1.35V using a hard mod? Card black screens. Though this doesn't seem to be intentional since Galax had to implement a special work around for this on HOF cards it's more like an inherent issue with Pascal cards. Hard mod thermal sensing into non existence? card stuck at 139MHz. On the 900 series all of these mods still worked and they aren't mods that you can get past RMA since they all leave plenty of physical evidence. With the 10 series Nvidia went and spent time and money making OCing their cards even harder.

Nvidia's policy on overclocking is the reason that EVGA stopped making the EVbot.

I don't want an OC warranty I would just like if Nvidia would stop getting in the way when trying to overclock their cards.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Uh, no. Overclocking does not void warranty. I don't know of any board partner in fact, that doesn't encourage it.

Running the product outside of manufactures specs voids your warranty. Read your EULA.
You and I both know though, it's almost impossible to tell.
Processor manufacturers don't really 'encourage' overclocking their products. Motherboard manufacturers do though. That's because you pay more for a full featured overclocking board........and they don't care if you cook your chip because they don't have to pay for it.....you do.

 

[the54thvoid]

wow

never realised I'd "annoyed" anyone

I thought were were having a debate/discussion that everyone was enjoying

guess its good bye then

how embarrassing, I'm lost for words.

To be fair, you opened a thread, used a poll and asked for opinions. The vast majority of which were: No, GPU manufacturers have no reason to offer a 'warranty' against cards being destroyed by people trying to overclock the fuck out of them. Also, as mentioned by myself earlier, your poll is asinine in that there was no way to vote against your original train of thought which was - I should be allowed option 'A', if you disagree, you're an idiot (care bear land I believe) - I see you've added a further option but that still does not offer a positive way of saying 'no'. You tend to start threads and argue the shit out of anyone who disagrees in a very weird, autistic manner where you're not rude but you're damn well close to ignorant.

You say you thought we were having a debate but no, you were not listening to what the majority of people were saying. This is the part that you seem to miss. Almost every thread you start it's solely created to ingratiate your own concept to yourself and when people disagree you don't accept it (all in the most polite way). If you want to 'discuss' things, that involves listening to what people say, not dismissing them.

You shouldn't feel you should leave, you're not a troll or a dick but at least understand, almost everyone here is experienced in hardware, software or modding. It pays dividends to absorb their knowledge, not reflect it. Modify your thought processes and when you start a thread, expect people to disagree, for very valid reasons. If almost everyone disagrees with you - there's a very good chance YOU ARE WRONG. And you deal with it and move on. It's not personal - it never is.

Chin up, accept Nvidia don't want you screwing with their hardware and keep on following the extreme cooling path. You will at some point destroy something - that is the badge of honour. Post pics when you do fry something and we'll all chuckle along with you.

 

[Vellinious]

Running the product outside of manufactures specs voids your warranty. Read your EULA.
You and I both know though, it's almost impossible to tell.
Processor manufacturers don't really 'encourage' overclocking their products. Motherboard manufacturers do though. That's because you pay more for a full featured overclocking board........and they don't care if you cook your chip because they don't have to pay for it.....you do.

I wasn't talking about CPUs. I was talking about GPUs. EVGA, ASUS, Gigacrap, etc .....all make GPUs that are specifically designed for overclocking.

 

[Mr.Scott]

To be fair, I'm totally pro overclocking. I understand that overclocking can break things, and I don't expect anybody but myself to pay for the things I break, or make it easier for me to break them.

 

[Mr.Scott]

I wasn't talking about CPUs. I was talking about GPUs. EVGA, ASUS, Gigacrap, etc .....all make GPUs that are specifically designed for overclocking.

Within a specified limit. The TDP of the card probably. Exceed the TDP spec, and we're back to post #51.

 

[Mr.Scott]

I was never expecting anyone else to pay for it.

You might not have, but there are a million that will.

 

[Vellinious]

Within a specified limit. The TDP of the card probably. Exceed the TDP spec, and we're back to post #51.

So a predetermined spec, set by the manufacturer to limit overclocking and it's enthusiasts.......no thanks.

 

[infrared]

I spend a lot of time on another website.. overclockers.net....
This website is similar.

So to not be able to overclock on an "overclocking website" would be ridiculous.. so the comment (care bear) was meant to be comical (not taken seriously)

I have a bad habit of writing posts then editing them 10 times until I get them how I want them.. for some reason I never seem to click the 'preview button'.

By the time I'd submitted the first "draft" if you like.. people had already voted/viewed so I was stuck unable to finish editing it properly (the poll)

Then I found myself "in the mix of it all" neglecting to finish fixing the poll.

I suppose I never expected anyone here would actually be against overclocking..

I kind of seen the poll as a comical introduction to the topic (to be discussed) rather than a set of serious choices (had no idea anyone would take the questions in the poll seriously)

When you put it like that, I've never been so embarrassed in years. Feel like a right idiot now. Don't know what to say really.

I know there's a growing frustration amongst the pascal and 1080 community about the lack of tweakability with pascal due to the lockdowns.. so I seen this topic as a way to discuss it and debate the politics of it all and have a laugh at the same time.

I assumed (wrongly) the general consensus would be that everyone probably shared my views around the lockdown of the BIOS. It was your opinions on Warranty that was causing the issues for most of us!

anyway,t hen when dorsetknob started with the caps I realised something wasn't right

then BOOM, red face.

I'll leave it at that, before I make anymore of a fool of myself.

Get a grip man, damn! No need to make a scene and guilt trip everyone for calling you on your bs. Accept and move on, we don't hold grudges.

Also I think nearly everyone here is pro overclocking/modding, just at your own risk if taking beyond a mild overclock. If i was a board partner I wouldn't dream of offering warranty on a card that was going to go under LN2! That's mental!! At the very best they could do a scheme where you get a replacement card at cost + labor, shipping etc if you destroy it. That would be realistic for our small minority of mental hardware enthusists. (We have virtually no influence on nvidia, they don't care about us, at all!)

 

[Mr.Scott]

So a predetermined spec, set by the manufacturer to limit overclocking and it's enthusiasts.......no thanks.

All the major manufacturers are already doing it. They have been for years. You can bypass them, but it's so evident that you'll never claim a warranty on them ever.

 

[Vellinious]

Up until this generation is was quite easy to bypass them. It didn't even take a hardware mod. Now? Well....things are different.

Maybe AMD will be less restrictive with their new GPUs. Hopefully they come out with something worth buying. Because as long as NVIDIA keeps tightening the clamps on the enthusiasts, I won't be buying their products.

 

[dorsetknob]

Now? Well....things are different.

and the predicted Future

"Dear customer
i refer to your request for a RMA
We find no trace of your Geforce experience logs which would help us determine the Validity of your RMA Request
therefore your requested RMA has been Declined"

You think i'm on a wind up wait and see

 

[infrared]

and the predicted Future

"Dear customer
i refer to your request for a RMA
..................................................................................................................................................
therefore your requested RMA has been Declined"

You think i'm on a wind up wait and see

Don't give them ideas!! D: And yeah I can definitely see that happening.

 

[sneekypeet]

@Nicholas Peyton many thanks for destroying the thread with all of the deletions of your posts! It is this such behavior that has put TPU on edit lockdown! This type of activity is not the type of thing we appreciate, and in the future we ask you no longer do this as the rest of the members have to pay for your actions.