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Poor Intel i might scope up a deal when all is said n done :roll:
 
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Whenever I hear/see pre-order I can't help but associate it with unwise and impulsive, I hope those people get what they expected

But still this is an impressive achievement for AMD
 
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Well here is to hoping it isn't just hype. That will be a lot of scorned people if they have some giant nuance at purchase...

I for one hope this launches amd into a position where they can't keep up with demand. That would be the best case scenario because it might get them to dump glofo and get a better foundry.
 
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If Ryzen disappoints they will break the record for returns ;))
 
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Whenever I hear/see pre-order I can't help but associate it with unwise and impulsive, I hope those people get what they expected

Same here. I totally don't understand the idea of preordering in general - let alone applied to something as hard to evaluate without reviews as a CPU.
I think what we only need now are 24h-long queues in front of the shops at the day of release (Apple style)...
 
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Surprising that the 1700 is the least selling. I'm fairly certain after overclocks it's going to be close to the others for much less money. It's good for AMD though, much better margins and all. They sure need the money so I'm happy for them.
 
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Idiotic to buy it before the official reviews and benchmarks are out.
AMD as always running its hype game strong.
 
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Surprising that the 1700 is the least selling. I'm fairly certain after overclocks it's going to be close to the others for much less money. It's good for AMD though, much better margins and all. They sure need the money so I'm happy for them.
Not necessarily, the Amazon stats are updated hourly so ~
 
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I have seen hardware that exceeds expectations sold cheapest ONLY as a preorder. Then price go up n up.
 

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Poor Intel i might scope up a deal when all is said n done :roll:

They are far from poor lol, lets not forget how big Intel are and how easy they can adjust.

I have seen hardware that exceeds expectations sold cheapest ONLY as a preorder. Then price go up n up.

I am expecting it to go up and other's making loads on it leaving AMD short, if their chips are as good as they claim they should be selling for more.
 
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I have seen hardware that exceeds expectations sold cheapest ONLY as a preorder. Then price go up n up.

A week from now we'll be swarmed by proper reviews (for both CPUs and motherboards). What's wrong with just ordering everything then?

Furthermore, low price being the key selling point for Ryzen, I don't expect them to raise it just after release.
It could happen later this year - e.g. when they show Ryzen 3 and 5 and the lineup becomes very dense.

The only reason why AMD would change MSRP immediately would be negative reviews, which isn't very probable.
I mean: even if the new platform performs below expectations (leaks/hype) or the motherboards are awful, reviews will be like "not as good as Intel, but cheaper, so get over it".
 
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why people still think ryzen will fail??there are many benchmarks out ther allready...
You guys think they all fake? ok i would understand if we had like one leak,but there are many.. and from some of the reputable sites and rewievers!!
But what is even more wierd for me is those guys praying that amd fail....,dont they see that even now INTEL is lowering prices for their cpu,s ...,isnt that what is important...no body is forcing them to buy AMD cpu..,but they can still buy INTEL at lower price,its good for the consumer to have strong competition!!!
 
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why people still think ryzen will fail??there are many benchmarks out ther allready...
You guys think they all fake? ok i would understand if we had like one leak,but there are many.. and from some of the reputable sites and rewievers!!
But what is even more wierd for me is those guys praying that amd fail....,dont they see that even now INTEL is lowering prices for their cpu,s ...,isnt that what is important...no body is forcing them to buy AMD cpu..,but they can still buy INTEL at lower price,its good for the consumer to have strong competition!!!

You don't seem to get it. These people who are now causing Ryzen to be in top positions are buying a CPU with a huge number of question marks.

AMD doesn't have the track record on CPU that you can blindly trust them to deliver a solid, well rounded CPU. So, it makes sense to wait for real world performance.
 
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A week from now we'll be swarmed by proper reviews (for both CPUs and motherboards). What's wrong with just ordering everything then?

Furthermore, low price being the key selling point for Ryzen, I don't expect them to raise it just after release.
It could happen later this year - e.g. when they show Ryzen 3 and 5 and the lineup becomes very dense.

The only reason why AMD would change MSRP immediately would be negative reviews, which isn't very probable.
I mean: even if the new platform performs below expectations (leaks/hype) or the motherboards are awful, reviews will be like "not as good as Intel, but cheaper, so get over it".

AMD will not change the MSRP up, but that doesn't prevent the price to go up. It's supply and demand that dictates the price. If the CPUs sell well and the supply is low, the prices will increase. The Polaris launch is a prime example how this happens.
 
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why people still think ryzen will fail??there are many benchmarks out ther allready...
You guys think they all fake? ok i would understand if we had like one leak,but there are many.. and from some of the reputable sites and rewievers!!
Actually not that many - "most reputable sites" just cite other "lest reputable sites", which in turn just show some anonymous results.
Look at the last big leak at TDP:
https://www.techpowerup.com/230638/...mazing-multi-core-and-single-core-performance
It is based on an article from WCCFTECH:
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-389-8-core-cpu-benchmarks-leaked/
Here the author stated:
"The benchmarks we’re going to be looking at are part of a verified Passmark entry that went live earlier today."
So I check the Passmark database and it's not there. Possibly just removed by AMD, but still impossible to validate.
Also, many commentators (including the author at WCCF) point out that we often don't know the precise configuration and clocks.

I'm not saying the benchmarks are fake, but among many words I could use to describe the leaks and articles, "reputable" is clearly not even near the top (but possibly before "reliable").

But for most of us it's not about the synthetic benchmarks. We're waiting for real-life performance and features - not only in games. At this point we don't know much beside the fact that - while Ryzen 7's multi-core performance makes it an proper threat to Intel HEDT CPUs, the whole platform is strictly consumer-oriented - not a competition to Intel's 2011 socket offer.

We should wait for some proper performance benchmarks: games, 3D rendering, Excel, databases and so on.

Also just look at how leaks evolved. 2 weeks ago we've seen titles like:
"AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Specs Confirmed, A $320 Rival To Intel’s $1099 i7-6900K"
(http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-cpu-specs-confirmed/)
But later leaks were less and less optimistic. After the AMD event we know that Ryzen 7 1700 performs more or less like a i7-7700K (same price!) beside some multi-thread tests that use all available cores. Sadly most applications won't. You can find some reliable reviews of Intel i5-6600 vs i7-6700 which clearly show that games don't use the extra 4 threads very efficiently. These CPUs perform almost identically in games. Example:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/21

But what is even more wierd for me is those guys praying that amd fail....,dont they see that even now INTEL is lowering prices for their cpu,s ...,isnt that what is important...no body is forcing them to buy AMD cpu..,but they can still buy INTEL at lower price,its good for the consumer to have strong competition!!!

"Strong competition" is important but overrated as a general rule. Yes, when a market is strong, competition is important to keep prices acceptable and impose development.
But when a market is week, competition can push prices too far down (aka "price war"), which often ends up in financial problems for some of the competitors.
So sometimes a monopoly might be good for products with tiny sale volume and high production cost - a manufacturer can raise prices making the whole business possible.

Intel HEDT platform is exactly this case. It seems many people (mainly gamers) will jump to AMD. Will there be enough buyers to let Intel continue making the expensive HEDT platforms? We'll see. Keep in mind that $1000 (plus another few hundreds for motherboard) buys you some unique features - not just the performance.
 
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AMD will not change the MSRP up, but that doesn't prevent the price to go up. It's supply and demand that dictates the price. If the CPUs sell well and the supply is low, the prices will increase. The Polaris launch is a prime example how this happens.

I'm fairly acquainted with microeconomic fundamentals ( ;) ), but they usually don't apply well to electronics. They're too easy to transport and store.
Of course the prices might variate by ~10%, but - while important for the shops - it's not that significant to the end user.
Massive, world-wide shift of prices is something else and it's almost certain that either Intel or AMD will have to do it in following months. We'll see which one.

I'm afraid I don't know much about the Polaris issue you're talking about. I only remember AMD significantly lowering prices after NVIDIA 1050 release. :)

And of course Polaris is such an unfortunate example to be cited now. It's launch (leaks before etc) looked pretty much like the Ryzen thing. We all know how it ended. :/
Let's hope Polaris dissapointment was a result of AMD being too occupied designing they're marvelous next CPUs and GPUs. ;)
 
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You don't seem to get it. These people who are now causing Ryzen to be in top positions are buying a CPU with a huge number of question marks.

AMD doesn't have the track record on CPU that you can blindly trust them to deliver a solid, well rounded CPU. So, it makes sense to wait for real world performance.

Just out of curiosity , what is a solid well rounded CPU even supposed to mean ? One that functions in a desirable way ? That's durable ? That doesn't blow up ? And if so when exactly did AMD failed to meet these criteria.

And if you are talking about performance I suppose you mean the FX line , I honestly don't remember they ever claimed it was a fastest thing in the world, If anything it delivered exactly what you would expect for it's price tag. If you are talking about people buying them because of the core count in a sever lack of knowledge and then being disappointed , well I'm sorry but that ain't AMDs fault.

I genuinely don't know when did this blind lack of trust in their products began.
 
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I genuinely don't know when did this blind lack of trust in their products began.

I find that fairly obvious. You really have no clue? :eek:

15 years ago we simply had 2 CPU makers: Intel and AMD. They had very similar products and competed in most segments.
Intel was a bit more "pro", a bit more "sophisticated", a bit more... "American". But because AMD was smaller and "brave", it often was the first to introduce some features or solutions.
Examples:
In 2002 AMD launched Geode - a low power processors much like Intel Atom, but years earlier.
In 2003 AMD swarmed the market with 64-bit CPUs (in all segments) to such extent they've got ahead of Intel significantly in the supercomputer race.
(check this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#Architecture_and_operating_systems).

But then everything changed as AMD decided to go "multi-core" and concentrate on gaming.
Result? They won great deals on consoles but almost totally disappeared from other devices: laptops, low-end home machines, office PCs.
Intel stayed on the same path doing chips for everything. And Intel won.

It's 2017 and a typical person is surrounded by Intel chips: in their office PC, in their laptop, in their tablet.
Apple uses Intel chips and is quite proud of that - every MacBook owner knows who made the CPU.
But how many PS4 owners know who made the "APU" inside? Whatever an APU is. :)
Even total computer laypeople say "I have an i3" instead of "I have an Intel i3 processor". Everyone knows that i7 is better than i3.

Intel became a synonym for processor manufacturer. AMD is just "the other company". :)

I even remember my manager from previous company saying he thought AMD went bankrupt, because he hasn't seen any of their products for years. :D
 
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I find that fairly obvious. You really have no clue? :eek:

15 years ago we simply had 2 CPU makers: Intel and AMD. They had very similar products and competed in most segments.
Intel was a bit more "pro", a bit more "sophisticated", a bit more... "American". But because AMD was smaller and more elastic and "brave", it often was the first to introduce some features or solutions.
Examples:
In 2002 AMD launched Geode - a low power processors much like Intel Atom, but years earlier.
In 2003 AMD swarmed the market with 64-bit CPUs (in all segments) to such extent they've got ahead of Intel significantly in the supercomputer race.
(check this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#Architecture_and_operating_systems).

But then everything changed as AMD decided to go "multi-core" and concentrate on gaming.
Result? They won great deals on consoles but almost totally disappeared from other devices: laptops, low-end home machines, office PCs.
Intel stayed on the same path doing chips for everything. And Intel won.

It's 2017 and a typical person is surrounded by Intel chips: in their office PC, in their laptop, in their tablet.
Apple uses Intel chips and are quite proud of that - every MacBook owner knows who made the CPU.
But how many PS4 owners know who made the "APU" inside? Whatever an APU is. :)
Even total computer laypeople say "I have an i3" instead of "I have an Intel i3 processor". Everyone knows that i7 is better than i3.

Intel became a synonym for processor manufacturer. AMD is just "the other company". :)

I even remember my manager from previous company saying he thought AMD went bankrupt, because he hasn't seen any of their products for years. :D

You people have a hard time figuring out the difference between unrealistic expectations and a company not providing the product they said they would or perhaps you haven't read properly what I have written. You gave me no concrete case in which AMD outright lied about their products , instead you provided me with half a page of Intel worship and completely irrelevant information . If you reply to what I said try and talk about that otherwise don't bother.
 
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I'm fairly acquainted with microeconomic fundamentals ( ;) ), but they usually don't apply well to electronics. They're too easy to transport and store.
Of course the prices might variate by ~10%, but - while important for the shops - it's not that significant to the end user.
Massive, world-wide shift of prices is something else and it's almost certain that either Intel or AMD will have to do it in following months. We'll see which one.

I'm afraid I don't know much about the Polaris issue you're talking about. I only remember AMD significantly lowering prices after NVIDIA 1050 release. :)

And of course Polaris is such an unfortunate example to be cited now. It's launch (leaks before etc) looked pretty much like the Ryzen thing. We all know how it ended. :/
Let's hope Polaris dissapointment was a result of AMD being too occupied designing they're marvelous next CPUs and GPUs. ;)
Tonga(GCN 1.3) was a failure But not Polaris.
Polaris was another starting point for Radeon With a focus on efficiency And we'll see more of it in Vega.
Same thing for Nvidia with kepler and
Successful Maxwell
Polaris also led nvidia to lower prices
In Midrange products
 
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I am waiting to see how this is going, the specs and leaked benchmarks looks soo promising I hope this gonna be true, bcs than I am making the jump when there comes a good M-ATX/ITX board so I can start doing faster and more encoding.
 
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You people have a hard time figuring out the difference between unrealistic expectations and a company not providing the product they said they would or perhaps you haven't read properly what I have written. You gave me no concrete case in which AMD outright lied about their products , instead you provided me with half a page of Intel worship and completely irrelevant information . If you reply to what I said try and talk about that otherwise don't bother.

I have a hard time understanding whether I'm talking to someone normal or a fanboy. You don't have to defend AMD - we're not attacking it.

You didn't ask for an example of a product that AMD lied about. You wrote:
I genuinely don't know when did this blind lack of trust in their products began.

So the answer is (in short): when they stopped being a mainstream CPU manufacturer.
It's not a lack of trust coming from knowing they f..up something in the past. But everyone uses Intel and Intel CPUs work, so why buy something from that "other company"?

Also, I don't think AMD is that well-known to teenagers, who already started using PCs when AMD was lagging behind Intel, and this age group makes a lot of the "gaming" money.
 
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