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As it is, you don't have a need to upgrade yet if that is all you use your system for.
 
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Intel still has some +s like ECC support (AMD doesn't have this) which a lot of people find important, quad channel ram, thunderbolt 3, an iGPU on a lot of their processors, and I dunno - optane I guess?

AMD is the better value though for sure
 
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Intel still has some +s like ECC support (AMD doesn't have this) which a lot of people find important, quad channel ram, thunderbolt 3, an iGPU on a lot of their processors, and I dunno - optane I guess?

AMD is the better value though for sure
Don't think regular x99 MB have ECC support, there's also no Optane for anything other than KL & x270 chipsets.
 
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I see no reason why Intel should drop the price of i5 7600k/i7 7700k as these processors will remain top choice for gamers. There are games where i3 7350K beat Ryzen 7 1800X by a large margin.
6/8 core Intel CPU's prices are going to drop, because in this area Ryzen is amazing. Video editors, content creators will go for AMD for sure.
 
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I see no reason why Intel should drop the price of i5 7600k/i7 7700k as these processors will remain top choice for gamers. There are games where i3 7350K beat Ryzen 7 1800X by a large margin.
6/8 core Intel CPU's prices are going to drop, because in this area Ryzen is amazing. Video editors, content creators will go for AMD for sure.
There are benchmarks out already?
 
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No, NDA until 2nd of March. But some people have hands on Ryzen already :)

There is hype and anti-hype coming from all directions at this point. You show me a "leak" that says a core i3 beat ryzen and I'll show you a "leak" where ryzen supposedly beat a 6950x, these results are clearly at odds with one another.
 
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There is hype and anti-hype coming from all directions at this point. You show me a "leak" that says a core i3 beat ryzen and I'll show you a "leak" where ryzen supposedly beat a 6950x, these results are clearly at odds with one another.
1. i7 6950x wasn't made for gaming. It's for people that actually need 10c/20t. And Ryzen shines at heavily multithreaded apps.
2. I'm not talking about leaks.
 
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There are games where i3 7350K beat Ryzen 7 1800X by a large margin.
Garbage.
Proof please. I'll even accept a 'leak'.



1. i7 6950x wasn't made for gaming. It's for people that actually need 10c/20t. And Ryzen shines at heavily multithreaded apps.
That doesn't mean crap. Turn some cores off.
Core for core, clock for clock, there will be virtually no difference in gaming whether it's a X1800, a 6950X, or a 7350K.
A couple FPS....if that. You'll never notice it.
 
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Garbage.
Proof please. I'll even accept a 'leak'.
Can't, wait for Thursday.
That doesn't mean crap. Turn some cores off.
Core for core, clock for clock, there will be virtually no difference in gaming whether it's a X1800, a 6950X, or a 7350K.
A couple FPS....if that. You'll never notice it.
Are you serious? :D CPU doesn't matter in gaming, at all. Games running purely on GPU? :)







I'm not even sure why I'm posting this stuff, because you have no idea what you're talking about. At all.
 
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LOL. My post was removed by staff. That's fine. Sometimes the truth hurts. Believe what you want. I'm out.
 

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LOL. My post was removed by staff. That's fine. Sometimes the truth hurts. Believe what you want. I'm out.
it's got nothing to do with the truth, more your insult and language, feel free to state your opinion any time but lets try to keep it civil.
 
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The thing is, no one on earth is going to downclock CPU or disable cores just to make Ryzen look better in games.
You mean level the playing field.
 

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You mean level the playing field.
All CPUs should be run at stock speeds when doing an objective comparison. If one CPU processes faster simply due to a higher clock speed then so be it. This is the performance that the punter is paying for out of the box. A separate comparison can then be done for overclocked performance, where the slower processor might pull ahead.
 
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It depends on the game, settings used, and gpu. Some titles don't show a fps drop until it gets to the amd cpus... some show as FY has above. It simply depends on many things..

That said, I'd bet a 7350k beats out an x1800 in some titles that don't use more than 2-4 threads (because of its clockspeed). In many it won't make a difference. In others the x1800 will pull away.
 

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Everyone wins until you read stuff like this coming out already...........

post from pmurphy8811 on pcgamen ...... from article

"AMD are still scared Intel will outspend, outflank and outmuscle Ryzen"

pmurphy8811
1 Day ago
It's upsetting to have to say, but should be said. As an IT Director I have already been approached by an Intel representative to discuss the "special promotions" and "Incentive rebates" that they are willing to offer me for purchasing exclusively Intel powered servers. I was not well received when I explained that I would not be purchasing anything until I see the benchmarks of the new Ryzen (naples) core and compare the cost-to-performance ratio. It was at that point they made it very clear that they would go to great lengths from a financial standpoint to incentivize me to NOT purchase AMD chips.

These are the tactics that were used back in the day that AMD had feared would be used again. Intel offered "loyalty rebates" and other clever promotions to hide the fact that they were paying customers to lock out the competition. I sincerely hope that other IT Directors and all in IT in general do what's best for the industry and choose based off of what's best for the consumer and their environment. The rebates are nice and all, but if we continue to hurt AMD for a small rebate, we destroy AMD's ability to compete and enable Intel to continue their "Tick-Tock" releases and oppressive pricing.

Be aware folks, Intel is scared and is already looking to use their weight and $'s to NOT out innovate, but to obstruct competitions ability to enter the marketplace. Why else would they be contacting and attempting to "Incentivize" customers well before the launch of AMD's server chips in Q2-Q3?

Sorry for the rant, but these past few years from Intel have been terrible from a pricing and tech innovation standpoint. I would hate to see AMD get the shaft after building such a great product over the last 5 years with the help of Jim Keller and AMD architect Mike Clark. They did such a great job turning the CPU division around it should have the ability to be judged on its own merits and not locked out by Intel to prolong the CPU stagnation in the market.
Intel is going to get sued (and lose) again.




Intel are the scum of the earth.
NVIDIA is just as bad giving developers obsolete Titan cards to develop their games on so NVIDIA has an advantage in benchmarks.

No, that's no what meant.

Have a read - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_cycle

Then:

- on Thursday you will see difference between Ryzen and Kaby Labe IPC.
- Higher IPC = more FPS in games.
Thing is, DirectX 12 and Vulkan hugely cut down and multithread the CPU load. In other words, in new games, you're not going to see much difference in frame rate between a high-clocked quad-core and a low-clocked octo-core.

Even DirectX 11 (most common used in games today) does a decent job at spreading the workload across many cores. As long as none of the cores hit 100%, the CPU will not bottleneck the game.

Overwatch, Gears of War 4, and Battlefield 1 were tested using D3D11. Note the sharp fall off in the BF1: the bottom 3 were hitting 100%, the top 3 were not.
 
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Personally I think it could be fairer to say retailers panic and try and sell all there older but yet expensive shit asap, panic style because they realise a lot of it just got marginalised into the but Why bin.

And that includes anything am3 to be fair.
 

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Intel still has some +s like ECC support (AMD doesn't have this) which a lot of people find important, quad channel ram, thunderbolt 3, an iGPU on a lot of their processors, and I dunno - optane I guess?

AMD is the better value though for sure

AM3+ has ECC
 
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No, that's no what meant.

- Higher IPC = more FPS in games.

That's only true to a point, Cpu only just needs to accommodate the calls made by the Gpu so it doesn't bottleneck and sits there waiting for instructions. Anything above that line doesn't matter, and isn't a noticeably obvious issue with current upper mid-tier and higher cpus. The graphs you posted are of cpus that are lower-half or nearly a decade old.
 
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