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Yes, but Ryzen loses much more performance compared to Intel in DX12. The problem is that most reviewers solely use DX12 for testing, showing Ryzen in a worse light than needed.

Look at the FPS difference again: https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=119280
ahhh i see ... you were actually "ranting" (the "" are added for obvious reason) about "most" review being mostly in DX12 thus belittling Ryzen more than it should've deserved? tho "deserved" is not the right word ... Ryzen do mighty fine against Intel in my view (or i am completely out of caffeine and really need to replenish my reserve )

well as i said my 6600K loose also the same 35% perf ... a 1700 or 1600 doesn't seems that bad, as long as i get a little above 60fps on 1440p in the games i play the most (which iirc only 2 or 3 of them are DX12 and a little buggy if put in that mode) when i will upgrade

having the horsepower to do some heavier computational task ... would be a cherry on the cake in my case... if i was only doing gaming, then yes i would stay on my 6600K
 
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ahhh i see ... ... if i was only doing gaming, then yes i would stay on my 6600K

Not disputing your opinion but most reviewers only use DX12 for their reviews. I think TPU also only used DX12 when possible. I think at this point, it's useful to have both DX11 & DX12 data (just like ComputerBase did). DX12 performance is all over the place while DX11 gives a more stable look into game performance.

I would also like to point out that your 6600k isn't in this review. The 7700K is and the CB number I posted are showing a clear regression of performance for Ryzen in DX12 compared to 7700K.
 
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I think it might not be an issue for typical TPU forum user, but as for majority of people it's actually pretty huge.
The reviews on TPU aren't read just by enthusiasts - the site is hugely popular and well positioned in search engines. Many people will just google for "Ryzen review" and find your text in top 3 results. They might not know much about CPUs and - after years of using Intel - be unaware that not every working computer offers a video signal.
As such, I would put the lack of IGP as the first con... probably in red bold font. :)

Also, could you share the specification for productivity tests? I'm mostly interested in the MS Office stuff, because the times shown suggest some very basic tasks. Weren't you tempted to use something more serious (some sites use a Monte Carlo benchmark for Excel).

Actually I think a 3rd list needs to be added in addition to pros and cons - e.g. notes, where something isn't really a pro or con but important in the buying decision, such as an IGP, the price and difference in performance of stock speed versus optimal/faster RAM and such.

Those things will allow the buyer to make an informed choice based on their needs and budget but they are not necessarily a pro or con.

Agreed on the Excel/Office, a mix of tests for these would be good to see "home user" use versus "professional (accountant, scientist etc.).
 
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I would also like to point out that your 6600k isn't in this review. The 7700K is and the CB number I posted are showing a clear regression of performance for Ryzen in DX12 compared to 7700K.
yeah i know ... tho a 7700K show no improvement whatsoever over a 6600K since it's still a quadcore (granted with HT )

and also the direct contender to the 1800X is the 6900K ... price to price the one for the 7700K is the 1700 and 1700/1700X are like the 1800X but without XFR for one and lower clocked for the other ... so actually it make the 1700 a better option versus a 7700K (as in my case since i wanted to have more thread for some other task than gaming and i would be a fool to take 4C/8T over 8C/16T for the same price)


Actually I think a 3rd list needs to be added in addition to pros and cons - e.g. notes, where something isn't really a pro or con but important in the buying decision, such as an IGP, the price and difference in performance of stock speed versus optimal/faster RAM and such.

Those things will allow the buyer to make an informed choice based on their needs and budget but they are not necessarily a pro or con.

Agreed on the Excel/Office, a mix of tests for these would be good to see "home user" use versus "professional (accountant, scientist etc.).

it does not have an IGP is a plus for me (which i do not use on my 6600K even for vBIOS flashing, since i have enough spare PCIeX graphic card for that)

agreed on Pros/"neutral"/cons "neutral" would be feature that fit neither in cons or pros based on how people view it.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Stale crackers in soup are better than no crackers at all!

Another well done review! :)
 
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1700 and 1700/1700X are like the 1800X but without XFR for one and lower clocked for the other ... so actually it make the 1700 a better option versus a 7700K.

All three have XFR, the X models XFR just goes a bit higher; 50MHz XFR boost for non-X and 100MHz for X I think.
 
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All three have XFR, the X models XFR just goes a bit higher; 50MHz XFR boost for non-X and 100MHz for X I think.
i see, thanks for the head up :toast:
 
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I think you should check closer, you might be mixing it up:
Ryzen 1800X: $499
i7-6800K: $434

How about 1700 vs 6800K or 6900K? Same performance plus the cheaper motherboard, and lower power consumption?
Ryzen can't beat the gaming oriented 7700K, but socket 2011 is officialy dead.
 
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How about 1700 vs 6800K or 6900K? Same performance plus the cheaper motherboard, and lower power consumption?
Ryzen can't beat the gaming oriented 7700K, but socket 2011 is officialy dead.
i5-7600K, i7-7700K, i7-6800K and i7-6900K should all have been part of a such review.

Socket 2011-3 is not dead at all, i7-6800K is a fantastic allround CPU, and even a better deal for most users than Ryzen. This socket will be replaced later this year with Skylake-X.
 
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i7-6800K is a fantastic allround CPU
actually a R7 1700 would be a better option than that one ... for allround

but the one that goes against the 6800K will cost a tad less than a 6800K or 1800X/1700X/1700 too (since the 1600 will probably be priced like a i5-6/7600K)

Ryzen can't beat the gaming oriented 7700K
it does not beat it but it does not lag way behind it either... technically it's more than sufficient (for the R7 1700 base)


actually more i read that review the more i think R7 1700X/1800X are not really worth the overprice over a 1700 in the performances department, the 1700 has been shown to be up to the task just fine
so, it mean we have a 374chf (using my country pricing) that can compete with his own price counterpart, the 7700K (and offer a little more in case of specific workload), get in the 444.55chf domain of the 6800K (while the counterpart of the 6800K is cheaper ... it's the future R5 1600/1600X ) and same on the 1108chf 6900K

from what i saw at last ... (meaning paper magazine reviews that list a little more than only 2 CPU in competition and web reviews )
 
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It's a real shame AMD could only launch with the higher end products. It looks like the lower end parts are going to be insane value for the money with solid performance. The 4\6 core + SMT CPUs will have a pretty huge multithreading advantage compared to their i3-i5 counter parts and the singlethreaded power to not gimp users in games and applications that aren't going to use more than a thread or 2.
 

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Still feel like the X1700 is the one to go, was thinking to hold off for the R5 CPUs, but I just gone ahead and go crazy spend a bit more and get some extra cores :D
Now hope the Fatal1ty X370 doesn't have the same issues as that gigabyte one..
 
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How about 1700 vs 6800K or 6900K? Same performance plus the cheaper motherboard, and lower power consumption?
Ryzen can't beat the gaming oriented 7700K, but socket 2011 is officialy dead.
how about waiting the real counterpart of the 6800K aka the i5-6/7600K priced R5 1600/1600X which is a 6C/12T like the 6800K :D

the 1700 has already been pitted up against the 6900K in heavy computational task (1800X all the same) it's quite near it

Well for sure its not the 6900K either. That costs twice as much :)
If you meant 6950X, than that is three times as much :)
well the counterpart of the 1800X (1700/1700X) IS (are) the 6900K series, prices has nothing to do with it :D specially if you can get near the same perf for 2 or 3 time less money needed :laugh:
 
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i7-6800K is the main competitor, until Skylake-X replaces it.
 
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The question that pops up in my head, how exactly AMDs gonna fix/iron out issues (for a lack of better word) this CPU has (SMT worth jack sh1t, quirky/dorky IMC behavior, need to choose High Perf in Windows as power option, etc.....)

Linus did a review of 1080 Ti on both 7700K & 1800X & aside from one game (forgot which) it was a tie between two CPUs. Not much difference in fps between 2 platforms, mostly 1080 Ti was faster or on par with 1200$ behemoth on both rigs. Tested all games suite in DX11 & 12 & Vulkan (DOOM), in 4k only. I'll see if AMDs & mobo vendors fix this sh1t with CPU revision & fresh BIOSes respectively by June/July (coming back from Download Open Air 2017 by that time. :)) Great review Wiz regardless, thx.
 
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Wouldn't be the first time a graphics card fails and IGP can be used while waiting for the RMA to complete, to at least be able to browse the web, do email and watch YouTube.

I 100% agree with this comment. Failure of GPU... integrated graphics to the rescue. I am a firm believer in things of this nature. Personally, I have extra graphics cards lying around for just that. I'm just not sure someone with a 7700k wouldn't have this as well... but we both have a point here. I think the whole reason Intel has included integrated is not because they wanted to compete with AMDs APU focus, but because Apple among others has demanded such.

I like integrated graphics on the mainboard like the good old days.
 
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Well, this has been called out on reddit:



note that AMD has stated that mem speed defines "infinity fabric" (CCX to CCX connection) speed.

As they should be!

I get that the early, immaturely released BIOS wasn't capable of 3000MHz speeds but the new(er) BIOS revisions are capable of at least 3000MHz on nearly all the motherboards. This specific Gigabyte board supports 3200MHz and the recent BIOS update (2017/03/14) further improves DDR compatibility.

There should definitely be a followup to this review to showcase the performance gains one can expect from Ryzen on increased ram speeds since the CPU is so dependent on ram speed (users reporting 30% gains in framerate). To elaborate, CCX is always half of the memory controller speed so 3000MHz would have a Infinity fabric speed of 1500 over the 1066/1333 that was used in the review.

Also, as I mentioned before. Comparing the 1800x to an 7700k isn't ideal for a proper review either. We need to get a i7-6900k on the charts as that's the processor that the 1800x was designed to compete with.

When the R5's drop, then TPU can compare those to the i7-7700k.

Just my two coppers.
 
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Now hope the Fatal1ty X370 doesn't have the same issues as that gigabyte one..

I have one and an X1800 sitting on the desk, but I have to locate the power supply that got "tidied away" before the holidays and am also waiting on an AM4 mounting kit for a Kraken.

I've got some spanky 3733Mhz RAM in it too. AsRock have been banging out new UEFI updates every few days since launch so we'll see how the RAM goes. It also has the external refclk generator.

There was also a new AMD AM4 chipset driver pack released on the 13th, @W1zzard, did you use that one? If not, a comparison with it installed would be a really nice addition (assuming any difference is observed in some initial testing so as not to waste any time).
 
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Kinda fun to see W1zzard rushing over to r/AMD to defend his review of RyZen. I thought he is too good for reddit. :D
 

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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Oh god.. it's (r) formatting is even worse mobile... lol!

I'll check it out at home. :)
 
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