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I'd go with the 1080Ti and leave the system and monitor as it is. With 1080Ti you will still see a boost in FPS over your 970's in SLI and rather signifficant plus no SLI problems. about your current system, you can swap it later on but that's for months to come.
 
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Rather than telling you what i'd do in your shoes, i'll tell you only what i would -not- do :)

It being buying the Ti. At your resolution, you'll be getting a 15-17% FPS, max, increase over a plain 1080. Is that worth the extra money?
Maybe.. IF:
i) everything else in your rig was top notch
ii) you could afford the extra

Since however you're looking for other upgrades too, ergo your system is not top notch.. no. Or rather, not now. More so considering a good CPU will last you longer than any, any GPU, no matter how good.
 
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you have 16gb of ram or 8gb ?
system specs you write 2x4gb

and from other info i read some get really good sli performance and some have troubles getting the same fps with sli vs one card. but found no fix to why they get diff results.

i would try the game without mods and if there is still a prob you could rule out a problem with a specific mod in trying one mod after other and test fps
 
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I had a 2600K with a GTX 1070 and when I went 6700K it didn't feel like a huge jump. I would get a 1080ti and upgrade CPU later on.
 
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I would advise you to do both, wait for Ryzen 5 to come out as I can see you don't do OC . If the price is good and the performance is good as well get one of those and a gtx1080 this together will be a good buy and just a bit over the 1080Ti budget I think. If you prefer Intel instead go for the 7600K and get it OC around 4.6ghz and get also the GTX1080 this should be more than enough for 1080p gaming.

You'll have to buy the platform all together for Ryzen or Intel 7600K so that is MB+CPU+RAM

This, really. Let Ryzen 5 land and get six cores or the Intel alternative if they happen to push something by that time which is more than a quadcore. I know for myself that I'm not going to pay twice to get another quadcore with minor improvements because that's what you're looking at essentially (I also run a 3570k atm). Even at 4 Ghz Ryzen 5 will give you more perf than 3570k @ 4.2 Ghz (they score similar) but you have two extra cores free to do work at that point, there's no question that will be much more future proof than another 4c/8t even if the 4c can clock a bit higher.

1080 or 1080ti... yeah. 1080ti is not a cost effective buy so if you have to choose, postpone that one most definitely. I waited for the 1080 to come down in price like it just did, and now I'm going for it :) I'll then be running that card with a 3570k for a good while I think, and probably bottleneck it a little (I'd guess 10% potential FPS give or take) but that'll just make a future cpu upgrade more noticeable and thus more fun to do :)

When you bump up the res from 1080p > 1440p or 4K the CPU bottleneck will vanish by the way. So CPU is definitely not top priority.
 
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If upgrading itch can't wait until AMD new cpu's then I'd recommend jumping to the Z270 platform with a 7700k and wait until ti's are all out and in good stock so Q3 of '17
 
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If upgrading itch can't wait until AMD new cpu's then I'd recommend jumping to the Z270 platform with a 7700k and wait until ti's are all out and in good stock so Q3 of '17
I wouldn't suggest 7700k as a jump to a new tech. It is only 4c/8t. This is not much for a future proof like somebody previously said. If you are about to change your gear then go with something that would be good in near future. Time is changing and 4c/8t is starting to be a low end stuff even with high clock rates. I'd go at least 6c/12t.
 
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Hi !
I'm very confused to see some people recommending a 1080 TI for 1080p, even for DSR with OP's specs.
I had the same i5, 8Gb of RAM, a single 970 and I play at 2k @ 144Hz.
I upgraded my specs to a 6700k + 3200Mhz DDR4 at the begin of the year and I saw huge improvements in gaming, higher values in lowest fps, better gaming conditions.
I plan to change my graphic card (waiting to see what AMD will sell in few months) to stop using 1080p for some GPU power hungry games this year but...I'm not impressed yet.
I don't recommend to go for a 1080TI at all for 1080p, with this old specs.

Clearly take your time to pick the best components and get a 7700K or a 5820K or even a good Ryzen (well I said good, not the first things they have thrown at our faces), high frequency DDR4, maybe a monitor upgrade or go dual screen to higher your resolution and THEN put $900 in a GPU =P
 
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Agreed. I feel the same. I've upgraded many times in the past and upgrading the cpu first was always the better option. Especially in multiplayer games.
Then there is a difference between i5 and i7 also. Going from 3570k to 7700k is different than going from 2600k oc'ed to 7700k. Still an improvement but perhaps not that noticable for the latter.

Running 970's sli makes me think you're covered for the next couple of years, so expand that with an i7 7700k (or the 6700k).

As for ryzen , we don't know yet if the cheaper ones will outdo a 7700k, nor do we know pricing at this stage. So waiting for that would be good advice, but certainly not very important if you're already keen on intel i7.

So boost your frames with i7 7700k and discover that your videocards are still fast enough, unless if you want to break benchmark records ofcourse, but that's an entirely different story.
Also,
i've noticed prices are dropping a bit for 1080 cards, probably because of the TI version which will have roughly the same price as when the 1080 cards were released, so waiting another year for that could see 1080 cards for even less money.
 
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Agreed. I feel the same. I've upgraded many times in the past and upgrading the cpu first was always the better option. Especially in multiplayer games.
Then there is a difference between i5 and i7 also. Going from 3570k to 7700k is different than going from 2600k oc'ed to 7700k. Still an improvement but perhaps not that noticable for the latter.

Running 970's sli makes me think you're covered for the next couple of years, so expand that with an i7 7700k (or the 6700k).

As for ryzen , we don't know yet if the cheaper ones will outdo a 7700k, nor do we know pricing at this stage. So waiting for that would be good advice, but certainly not very important if you're already keen on intel i7.

So boost your frames with i7 7700k and discover that your videocards are still fast enough, unless if you want to break benchmark records ofcourse, but that's an entirely different story.
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i've noticed prices are dropping a bit for 1080 cards, probably because of the TI version which will have roughly the same price as when the 1080 cards were released, so waiting another year for that could see 1080 cards for even less money.

I'm not saying that getting a ryzen is a solution here. Anyway the difference in gaming performance between ryzen and 7700k is not that big and the difference is getting even lower while updates show up. What I'm talking about is to think putting future into account. 4c/8t is a waste of money now. If he wants to buy a 1080TI it is a good idea why not? He will eventually swap the system. even if he buys 1080 or 1070 the change of the system is inevitable.
SLI is not that great at the moment and who knows when this situation will improve. Not all the games support SLI/Xfire correctly. If he's got the cash for a single strong card that's great.
 
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You could buy from amazon or ebay 2x 290x gpus cheaper then 1080 and give more fps.
It's the only reason I'm holding onto mine!
You may even have the cash to upgrade your cpu to a better one!

But if you want a direct answer GPU upgrade if you dont want to wait for next gen of gpus.
Or wait till cybersales or black Friday save even more money!!
 
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I'm on the other hand waiting for Vega. I wanna see what this one brings to the table of performance wise. Then I will be deciding but I know how it is to wait for something so badly.
 
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I'm on the other hand waiting for Vega. I wanna see what this one brings to the table of performance wise. Then I will be deciding but I know how it is to wait for something so badly.
Ha you aren't alone still waiting myself I either want 2 nvidia's or 2 Vegas. . The wait is soon real ha
 
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Ha you aren't alone still waiting myself I either want 2 nvidia's or 2 Vegas. . The wait is soon real ha
You really wanna go with 2 of either NV or AMD? I'm pretty sure one of those top tier cards will do just fine.
 
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You really wanna go with 2 of either NV or AMD? I'm pretty sure one of those top tier cards will do just fine.

I play at 7680x1440 3x 32inch monitors I also stream and record. That's why I need 2. Each monitor is 2560x1440 and i want to keep my fps above 60. In most games.

I love multimonitor gaming.

I haven't used nvidia for ages I used to have a couple nvidiad cards but then I upgraded to 5770-7970-290x don't know who I'll use next.
 
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I play at 7680x1440 3x 32inch monitors I also stream and record. That's why I need 2. Each monitor is 2560x1440 and i want to keep my fps above 60. In most games.

I love multimonitor gaming.
Well this is amazing. But the station you play must be gigantic :p I'd be happy with 4k play, over 8k is an overkill for space and money for me but happy that there are people that demanding :)
 
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Well this is amazing. But the station you play must be gigantic :p I'd be happy with 4k play, over 8k is an overkill for space and money for me but happy that there are people that demanding :)

Ha look at my pcpartslist link you'll see my stuff.
If you want I'll send you an image. I will say the 3 monitors take up a ton of room!

Some people hate it because they say they can't pay attention to all 3 monitors and theirs many other reasons, like screen stretching. but if you overlook at that, after a while it becomes amazing! especially in first person shooters and games that actually require the FOV
 
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Ha look at my pcpartslist link you'll see my stuff.
If you want I'll send you an image. I will say the 3 monitors take up a ton of room!

Some people hate it because they say they can't pay attention to all 3 monitors and theirs many other reasons, like screen stretching. but if you overlook at that, after a while it becomes amazing! especially in first person shooters and games that actually require the FOV
well definitely off the charts. I don't need that much though I'm not a professional gamer :p I just need Vega out so I can swap my 780 TI.
Also I was wondering to buy a new monitor since I play o 30" TV but I want free-sync with AMD since I'm definitely going for AMD. Not sure how this one will work with my current card meantime.
 
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No SLI issues would be a nice thing, I have had my fair share of problems with it, nothing major but still annoying.

I was thinking of going for an i7 vs an i5 this time if only for the hyper-threading

Yeah but if you spend so much money, you'd expect no issues right? At least that's my opinion. And an i5 won't give you a different feeling from what you have. If you are thinking i5 then, stay where you are for now, and maybe in the future get something better.
 
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Yeah but if you spend so much money, you'd expect no issues right? At least that's my opinion. And an i5 won't give you a different feeling from what you have. If you are thinking i5 then, stay where you are for now, and maybe in the future get something better.
With SLI you are talking about several games that support it fully. If he buys this 1080 TI he may not experience large boost in FPS now but swapping system and monitor in time he will be overwhelmed. And he will have to do it even with GTX 1080 anyway.
 
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well definitely off the charts. I don't need that much though I'm not a professional gamer :p I just need Vega out so I can swap my 780 TI.
Also I was wondering to buy a new monitor since I play o 30" TV but I want free-sync with AMD since I'm definitely going for AMD. Not sure how this one will work with my current card meantime.

I just ordered my MSI Gaming X GTX 1080 today, to swap out that ol' 780ti :) +100% performance increase relatively, seemed like a good call. Vega took too long for me.
 
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I wouldn't suggest 7700k as a jump to a new tech. It is only 4c/8t. This is not much for a future proof like somebody previously said. If you are about to change your gear then go with something that would be good in near future. Time is changing and 4c/8t is starting to be a low end stuff even with high clock rates. I'd go at least 6c/12t.
I disagree as I see the 7700K doing just fine for a couple of years. Its high clock frequency will help it keep up in gaming.
 
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Yes indeed. We just have to look for current intel 4c/8t versus the ryzen with more cores/threads benches in gaming.

@ratirt, I'm not disagreeing with you, and maybe the ryzen 4c/8t cpu's do have the same performance as a 7700k, at a lower price, that would be great yes. Just as old times where you bought yourself an amd cpu because it performed better for less money.
But as for 4c/8t intels, they are better for gaming overall, and this will most likely stay that way for several years to come. DX12 isn't delivering yet, multithreaded games are still best played on intels etc etc.

I don't wanna bash amd, I like their videocards and used to like their cpu's. But they are falling behind for some years now. And I fear the same will happen with videocards. Which I would regret, but given a choice for my next videocard upgrade, I would be hard pressed to buy amd again. The gaps are getting too wide now. And waiting for software solutions to bring things upto par is not my cup of tea either. Would be different if it would make things even faster like we've seen on previous videocards from amd. But the starting point already has to deliver, or else it's just overpriced and/or the wrong upgrade.

But anyways, swapping sli 970 for one 1080 is most likely not the best choice unless if one has money to burn. Going to i7 from i5 would be a better option, after all, back in the day the 3570k wasn't that much better over the 2500k/2600k chips. And while those cpu's still hold their place today, gaming does improve when upgrading to a 6700k/7700k in this scenario.
And lets not forget the newer tech on the motherboard and ram that will also give better performance.
 
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I have used a PC since I believed one could do something, and that was around 1984 and began working in the computer industry in 1986, over 30 years ago. Also, I worked in the PC industry for a very long time. I designed and built computers, repaired corporate computers and PCs and advised companies regarding computer problems or upgrades, among other things.

As a hobby I began overclocking at least 25 years ago, both for myself and others.

Now that some of my background is out of the way I will say that some of the comments here are instructive some are not.

I had an Intel i5 3570K that overclocked stable at 4.7 GHz and found that there was no reason to go beyond 4.6 for Microsoft Flight Simulator X, a very CPU intensive program [I used to be a commercial rated pilot and used FSX to help keep my skills honed at no cost except the program itself]. For the rest of gaming 4.4GHz was fine and 4.0GHz and my MSI GTX 980 Ti Lightning was good enough for my 40 inch 1080p monitor two feet from my face. I will admit that a 4K monitor looks very good, however, I am now disabled and do not have the income I used to for computer and monitor upgrades.

Now to your situation. You did not mention what CPU cooler or computer case [important for airflow for cooling] you own. A good air cooler will perform as good as most of the best water coolers. After a period of time the liquid in a water cooler slowly heats up, once hot it stays at that temperature for a relatively long period of time, even after a long benchmark run or heavy CPU load gaming. It warms slowly and cools slowly. On the other hand a good air cooler with good TIM heats very quickly and cools very quickly after heavy CPU usage. The biggest downside to a large air cooler or internal water cooler is enough room for either cooler.

There are three things that are important to overclocking that you did not mention, two of which is in my previous paragraph, the other is system memory or RAM. Lower voltage RAM is much more important to CPU overclocking than higher speed or overclocked RAM. Higher speed RAM and overclocked RAM require more volts, which reduces your CPU overclocking ability, as does a good air cooler and proper computer case to dissipate heat.

Because my Gigabyte motherboard was failing after 5 years of CPU overclocking I was forced to upgrade on February 10, 2017. I purchased a Gigabyte Z270X-UD5 because it is a solid motherboard for overclocking and uses dual Intel GbE LAN among other things, an i7 7700K that I delidded and used Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut between the CPU die and inside the "lid" to lower temperatures with the CPU running at 5.2GHz, Noctua NH-U14S air cooler, 32GB of Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666 1.2 volt system memory, and Windows 10 Pro [that I had to "fix" many things to make it less of a resource hog and much more secure]. The price for all of this was just over $1,000 U.S.

My 5 year old Cooler Master HAF 922 computer case was retained because of it's great air movement to keep everything inside cool, including three 200mm case fans.

There is a problem with the i7 7700K [and AMD's higher end CPUs] and that is heat - they get very hot when overclocking, even with a good cooler. With this CPU at 5.0GHz Microsoft Flight Simulator X, with the add-ons I have running, is probably the most demanding program [game] on the CPU and does great over large airports and cities at low level, such as KLAX [Los Angeles] or EGLL [Heathrow {London area}].

What is dismaying is that at stock speed the I7 7700K does not perform much, if any, better than my i5 3570K with all 4 cores overclocked to 4.5GHz running FSX with add-ons.

And, remember, most i7 7700Ks begins getting very hot beyond 4.6GHz. If you find yourself winning the "Silicon Lottery" and are able to get the CPU to 5.0GHz temperatures will not get as high, however, almost no i7 7700K CPU will get to 5.0 GHz at 1.200 volts, so, good luck with that.

I mention all of the above not to confuse you, rather to let you know at least some of which you will need in hardware if you move to the i7 7700K or higher end AMD CPU and overclock for CPU intensive gaming. Also, the i7 7700K does not come with a cooler, you need to purchase one separately, and even at stock speeds that CPU gets toasty requiring a good cooler.

Currently at 5.0 GHz the i7 7700K is the gaming king, with only a couple of exceptions that yield a few more FPS with a CPU with more cores [and those being overclocked].

I suggest that you keep the i5 3570K, put a good cooler on it, such as a Noctua with a large fan. Mine does fine, the largest will drop max temps another 2 degrees or so off of maximum temperatures. You can purchase a newer Noctua for your current CPU and it will fit the i7 7700K, and Noctua is the easiest cooler to install, even though some companies have copied their mounting device - just enough to keep from getting sued for copyright infringement. [Note: I used the Noctua NH-U14S because it is good and is the largest that will fit in my case with a 200mm fan in the side of the case.]

To summarize, keep what you have with the possible exception of purchasing a larger case and a Noctua cooler for your CPU, in preparation for a future CPU upgrade.

EDIT: Using an i7 will improve game FPS with the CPU running at least 4.2GHz on non-CPU intensive games, that is, more demanding of the video card [Heaven benchmark is a good example], with your motherboard look for an inexpensive i7 3770K, around $50 U.S. that will easily overclock to 4.2 to 4.4GHz [with a good air cooler] - ask the seller if the CPU will overclock. An i7 3770K that will overclock to 4.6GHz full time and stay below 70 degrees C using a good cooler is a good investment.
 
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System Name BK-201
Processor Intel i7-7700K 4.20GHz
Motherboard GA-Z270X-UG
Cooling Cryorig H7 Tower Cooler
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz (PC4-25600)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Xtreme Edition 11GB
Storage Seagate 7200rpm 2TB; Western Digital 7200rpm 1TB; Samsung 860 EVO 2.5" SATA III 500GB
Display(s) AOC 24" 1080p 144hz G-Sync
Case Thermaltake Chaser MK-1
Audio Device(s) N/A
Power Supply Thermaltake Smart M850W Modular 850 Watts
Mouse Razer Naga Hex v2 Chroma
Keyboard Razer Black Widow Ultimate Chroma
I think it's decided then, I will wait and see the new Ryzen first but will probably end up upgrading my cpu and go with 7700k. I have been putting it off for a while, upgrading 4 generations of cpus will probably help with the overall experience not just for gaming. Also I don't believe I need a case bigger than I already have lol. I have the Thermaltake Chaser MK-1, though for a cooler, I might finally go with watercooling this time. Is there any more maintenance with water cooling vs air?
 
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