Currently best AIO that can beat Noctua D15?

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

I cannot agree more that when an AIO first hits the market they price is astronomical. However, after a couple of months there are sales, and once the new series of cooler arrive, the older, but no less impressive coolers can be had at rock bottom pricing. For instance, the H80i which was brought up earlier can be had for much less investment as when it released.

Agreed. Also, off the

Uh no, but what's the temperature of the Fury X in summer? Simply install the radiator elsewhere if you can.

Grand Macho RT is not an AIO cooler, it's a standard tower cooler and definitely not better than the D15.

http://www.thermalright.de/en/cooler/56/le-grand-macho-rt

I never said the le Grand Macho RT was an AIO cooler, it's a an air cooler. And it does best the Noctua D15- you might want to read TPU's own review where they clearly state this (also many other sites have it besting the Noctua D15).

How does it beat it? Well at idle, the D15 barely (and I mean barely beats the Macho RT). However, at overclocked and full load, the le Grand Macho RT has cooler temps than the Noctua D15. Furthermore, it's significantly quietier than the D15 and it's about $20-$25 cheaper.

 

[Kanan]

I never said the le Grand Macho RT was an AIO cooler, it's a an air cooler. And it does best the Noctua D15- you might want to read TPU's own review where they clearly state this (also many other sites have it besting the Noctua D15).

Read your own quote, you did say it's an "underrated AIO" in the "( )".
I read that review already, and they are about equal. But Grand Macho loses on idle and on this:

So for me the D15 is the winner, even when slim. It also looks (arguably) better. You could also install a 3rd fan or better fans than Noctua ones and increase the performance of NH-D15 further, I doubt the Grand Macho can mess with that. It's simply a inferior design imo.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

Read your own quote, you did say it's an "underrated AIO" in the "( )".
I read that review already, and they are about equal. But Grand Macho loses on idle and on this:

So for me the D15 is the winner, even when slim. It also looks (arguably) better. You could also install a 3rd fan or better fans than Noctua ones and increase the performance of NH-D15 further, I doubt the Grand Macho can mess with that. It's simply a inferior design imo.

Haha I guess I did. That was typo.. My bad. But like I said, you are talking about idle temps... I have seen the Noctua D15 beating the le Grand Macho RT at idle from .25 to 1 degree Celsius- that is nothing. Full load the le Grand Macho RT always beats it. Also, it is a lot quieter and it is cheaper which play a part in it being the superior air cooler. You can say the D15 is better, but it simply isn't. Again, it's one of the most underrated air cooler on the market. Thermalright needs more love and not to take away from Noctua which makes amazing products, but in this comparison, the le Grand Macho RT comes out on top man.

 

[Kanan]

Haha I guess I did. That was typo.. My bad. But like I said, you are talking about idle temps... I have seen the Noctua D15 beating the le Grand Macho RT at idle from .25 to 1 degree Celsius- that is nothing. Full load the le Grand Macho RT always beats it. Also, it is a lot quieter and it is cheaper which play a part in it being the superior air cooler. You can say the D15 is better, but it simply isn't. Again, it's one of the most underrated air cooler on the market. Thermalright needs more love and not to take away from Noctua which makes amazing products, but in this comparison, the le Grand Macho RT comes out on top man.

Yeah np. But look at the graphic again, it's not idle, it's highest stress with OC. I don't think the Grand Macho is underrated, but it's certainly not better than the D15 if you modify both coolers, because I don't think it can mess with a dual tower design in terms of airflow and effective cooling space/mass.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

Yeah np. But look at the graphic again, it's not idle, it's highest stress with OC. I don't think the Grand Macho is underrated, but it's certainly not better than the D15 if you modify both coolers, because I don't think it can mess with a dual tower design in terms of airflow and effective cooling space/mass.

Look at this:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7986/thermalright-le-grand-macho-rt-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

In almost every temp and sound test the Macho beats the D15. If you look at the TPU review they concluded very similar results as well. When you mix all of this with the fact that the Macho is also cheaper, it clearly becomes the better cooler. You mentioned that you can put another fan on the D15, but you do realize that you can put an additional fan on the Macho also right? I'm not saying it decimates the D15, but overall it cools better, is more quiet and is cheaper- that is tough to argue.

Also... the Noctua D15 is UGLY lol I think their products are amazing, but I have always hated their tan and brown color scheme because it is hard to match with other products.

 

[Kanan]

Look at this:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7986/thermalright-le-grand-macho-rt-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

In almost every temp and sound test the Macho beats the D15. If you look at the TPU review they concluded very similar results as well. When you mix all of this with the fact that the Macho is also cheaper, it clearly becomes the better cooler. You mentioned that you can put another fan on the D15, but you do realize that you can put an additional fan on the Macho also right? I'm not saying it decimates the D15, but overall it cools better, is more quiet and is cheaper- that is tough to argue.

Also... the Noctua D15 is UGLY lol I think their products are amazing, but I have always hated their tan and brown color scheme because it is hard to match with other products.

You're somehow ignoring my arguments, at least half of them, so I'm gonna ignore your "arguments" (that are none to me anyway) and simply say: no, D15 is better, see TPU and my arguments I even repeated - this is offtopic anyway, let's leave it.

The D15 is ugly in your opinion, but I said 3 times now that you can change the fans with better ones, and I still bet, with upgraded fans on BOTH coolers, that the D15 would clearly win. 3 fans vs. 2, 3x upgraded vs. 1-2x upgraded, I don't know how good the Thermalright fan is, but I know the Noctua ones aren't optimal to say the least.

Again let's leave it be, I won't accept it anyway, I think my arguments are simply better.

PS. I don't care about 25 bucks~ when I only replace the cooler in 5 years or more - the guarantee Noctua gives me to fit on any CPU is way more worth than that. I bought this D14 for example, to stay with me for at least two or three systems. And I bought it for 50 bucks off ebay, at Rascom (that's the mother company of Noctua). 2nd hand they said, but it was like new, I didn't find anything wrong with it.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

You're somehow ignoring my arguments, at least half of them, so I'm gonna ignore your "arguments" (that are none to me anyway) and simply say: no, D15 is better, see TPU and my arguments I even repeated - this is offtopic anyway, let's leave it.

The D15 is ugly in your opinion, but I said 3 times now that you can change the fans with better ones, and I still bet, with upgraded fans on BOTH coolers, that the D15 would clearly win. 3 fans vs. 2, 3x upgraded vs. 1-2x upgraded, I don't know how good the Thermalright fan is, but I know the Noctua ones aren't optimal to say the least.

Again let's leave it be, I won't accept it anyway, I think my arguments are simply better.

PS. I don't care about 25 bucks~ when I only replace the cooler in 5 years or more - the guarantee Noctua gives me to fit on any CPU is way more worth than that. I bought this D14 for example, to stay with me for at least two or three systems. And I bought it for 50 bucks off ebay, at Rascom (that's the mother company of Noctua). 2nd hand they said, but it was like new, I didn't find anything wrong with it.

I'm not posting arguments, I'm posting facts. This is not my opinion that the Macho RT is better than the D15- this is a fact. I'm basing all of this off of reviews and thermal benchmarks directly comparing the two. Your argument is simply that the D15 is better just because you say it is and I am telling you that isn't the case. The fans on the D15 are already great fans- sure you can find quieter ones, but it would be tough to find ones that perform better. Same thing with the fan on the Macho- one of the best fans in the world in terms of performance and and quietness. Then you keep saying two fans beat one and in this scenario that simply isn't true. With one fan, the Macho RT beats the D15 with two fans. If you give the Noctua an additional fan and the Macho RT an additional fan the Macho still comes out on top. Then you speak of cons... the only real con of the Macho is that it is big and it can sometimes block RAM slots or the pcie slot. However, on Intel Z270 boards and the new AM4 boards this isn't an issue.

Again to recap- you posted one screenshot of thermal results and posted two reviews which include a review from our very own TPU and both reviews contradict pretty much everything you are saying. You are right, there is no reason to continue this argument because you will never accept facts.

 

[Kanan]

Yeah whatever, I'll stay with my opinion, you're doing the same mistake again. Bye.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

Yeah whatever, I'll stay with my opinion, you're doing the same mistake again. Bye.

Your opinion is just that- an opinion. I didn't provide an opinion, I provided facts directly taken from a Techpowerup review and a Tweaktown review. So based on what you are saying, the reviews are lying. Lol are you smoking the devil's lettuce?

 

[Kanan]

Your opinion is just that- an opinion. I didn't provide an opinion, I provided facts directly taken from a Techpowerup review and a Tweaktown review. So based on what you are saying, the reviews are lying. Lol are you smoking the devil's lettuce?

You live in your fantasy world and you have every right to do that. My facts say different things, my arguments too. Sorry man.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

You live in your fantasy world and you have every right to do that. My facts say different things, my arguments too. Sorry man.

Hahahaha! So in la la land, Techpowerup reviews and Tweaktown reviews are nothing, but lies. Got it! Fortunately, I don't live in la la land. That's the problem with arguing with a fan boy- no matter what logic you use or what evidence you provide they will dispute everything no matter what. Where most people think the brown Noctua fans are ugly, you actually think they look nice which actually proves my point.

Anyways...

I know that the Kraken X61 out cools the Noctua D15... I am sure some of the top tier corsair's do as well. I know the 360mm Artic freezer also out performs the D15, but it is huge.

 

[xkm1948]

FuryX raditor placement in Define R5 is limited. Either as front intake, which dumps 300watt of waste heat in case or exhaust, behind D15.

Grand Macho beats D15 no question. I am waiting for EKWB modular MLC AIO to show up now.

 

[phanbuey]

FuryX raditor placement in Define R5 is limited. Either as front intake, which dumps 300watt of waste heat in case or exhaust, behind D15.

Grand Macho beats D15 no question. I am waiting for EKWB modular MLC AIO to show up now.

Either way you're going to be dumping heat into the case...the AIO modulars are good but i always worry about the refill sealing on those. The corsair series seems the most fitting for a decent lazy cooler.

 

[xkm1948]

In a perfect world i would either go full blown custom loop, or D15 plus a powerful GPU that don't need AIO

Depends on when MLC show up though

 

[Jetster]

NZXT Kraken X62


https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835146056

 

[Komshija]

Our PC magazine tested a bunch of AIO coolers recently. Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 beat them all, including NZXT Kraken X62 and also received a "highly recommended" badge. The only negative side of Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 was bulkiness due to dual push-pull configuration.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

Honestly most of the time, AIO isn't really needed unless you are doing something crazy- it is just recommended that you have a modern case (a case with a psu shroud) to maximize cooling. Look at my build that I am going to be doing in a couple of weeks: I am going to be using the Phanteks P400 tempered glass version. My main CUP cooler will be a Thermalright le Grand Macho RT. In addition, I will have two Thermalright TY-147B 120mm fans- one in the front and one in the rear for a push/ pull configuration. One cpu cooler and 2 fans is all need to keep my system cool.

 

[peche]

just came here a little bit late,
About AIO water coolers, Asetek made Quality items, i have been using a Thermaltake one, Water 3.0 pro, for moar than 3 years, great unit, great performance, little size and the most important thing, tubing is tick, mobile connectors / fittings that allow you to put it and save and manage tubing for better airflow / space inside the case, also since it has a 50mm thick rad will be easy to install on every case almost, i know that there was some dark days with some AIO brands, but in this world everything fails suddenly, so dont come with silly stuff ...

Some other options i may recommend in case you still interested on some AIO water coolers:

Thermaltake water 3.0 Extreme, 240mm rad, same tubing and controls for pump and other functions,
Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate, larger rand in all Water series, 360 rad, same tubing and functions,
Antec Khuler H2O

CryoRig AIO, nice blower for rams and VRM's on water block top, i love it!

Cooler master neptopn, seidon, both perform great, the unique con is the weak tubing, contrary they were on high steps of the list,

i hate the paste they use to pre-apply to all AIO, i normally replace it with Arctic MX4 no matter model or brand of the AIO, i always replace paste, even for customer buils...


Regards,

 

[xkm1948]

Looks like EKWB's new MLC line is pushed to Q3. Guess I am in no hurry for the while. Already ordered the 3rd fan for the D15. Once I have new AIO installed I will be using these NF-A15 fans for case fans.

 

[peche]

Once I have new AIO installed I will be using these NF-A15 fans for case fans.

if these ones have decent o better static pressure you might consider replacing the ones on the rad with'em,

Regards,

 

[xkm1948]

Good point! Thanks!

 

[ERazer]

NZXT Kraken X62


https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835146056

Installed mine over the weekend and i already noticed some difference 2-3 degree lower when benching and it doesn't bounce around, lower temp on normal use as well. Noise sound the same to me and i have my rig on bench top. Infinity mirror is sexy as hell if your into RGB

 

[purecain]

I was looking at this to put me on while I save for a high end kit. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B019QJNR7S/?tag=tec053-21

 

[Caring1]

I was looking at this to put me on while I save for a high end kit. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B019QJNR7S/?tag=tec053-21

To me, that is a high end kit