Ryzen 5 1600X: The AMD CPU to get?

[m1dg3t]

Exactly! Clock speeds don't mean "everything". That does not mean they mean "nothing"!
What is garbage is the blather that OEM coolers are garbage! Contrary to what many want you to believe, OEM coolers are very capable of keeping their CPUs adequately cooled in a properly cooled case - even with mild overclocking! And OEM coolers today are also much quieter than those of yesteryear too.

Remember, only the OEM coolers are warrantied to protect the CPUs they come with. No aftermarket cooler maker will replace your CPU should their coolers fail to do their job. Also remember that cooler does not automatically mean better. Keeping our CPUs adequately cooled, comfortably within the "normal operating range" IS absolutely essential. But colder than that does NOT improve performance, provide better stability, or longer life.

Sure, many aftermarket coolers do a better job, and/or a quieter job. But that does not mean OEM coolers are garbage or that they cannot do their assigned jobs adequately.

So if your CPU comes with an OEM cooler, and you are not doing extreme overclocking, give the OEM cooler a try. With a proper application of decent TIM (thermal interface material), you might be pleasantly surprised, and save yourself some money too.

As you stated, OEM coolers are much better than people give them credit for, there is little fear from overheating these days as CPUs/MOBOs have built in thermal protection. They'll throttle or shutdown before major damage occurs.

Clock speed isn't everything, I'll take better IPC over clock speed. That means better perf/watt, which is what everyone cares about these days. Isn't it?

And this is the part that I keep coming back to. I keep repeating that phrase in my mind and like some wall in my brain I keep running into it. It's the one damn thing that keeps me from buying it, the only damn thing. Everything else about the chip is great except for that one damn thing. If only I can find a mental sledge hammer to take that wall in my brain down.

It is a misconception, if 5 - 10 FPS difference compared to Intel makes these useless then... SMH

As software becomes more capable of leveraging Ryzens capabilities that 'defecit' will shrink, I'm almost certain. Remember everything has been tailored to Intel for the last 5+ years, and this is a completely new platform & architecture. Intel is on what, gen 7 of the core arch now?

 

[Bill_Bright]

its perfectly adequate when combined with smart screen filter and a decent adblocker

Which you can say regardless the anti-malware solution you choose.

Freaking robots are taking over lurking guest jobs now

Sad, but true. But I doubt most of the current 6709 guests on site are robots. A few hundred, maybe a 1000 but I doubt it.

 

[OneMoar]

amd has been claiming that "everything is written for 'intel/nvidia'
for going on 5 years now
two things

1. if amd didn't basically give up and settle for making shit ass hardware it wouldn't have happened
2. no developer is gonna invest thousands of dollars and hundards of hours porting code to run on 8 threads because AMD can't get there shit together and MATCH a 7 year old arch

 

[eidairaman1]

As you stated, OEM coolers are much better than people give them credit for, there is little fear from overheating these days as CPUs/MOBOs have built in thermal protection. They'll throttle or shutdown before major damage occurs.

Clock speed isn't everything, I'll take better IPC over clock speed. That means better perf/watt, which is what everyone cares about these days. Isn't it?



It is a misconception, if 5 - 10 FPS difference compared to Intel makes these useless then... SMH

As software becomes more capable of leveraging Ryzens capabilities that 'defecit' will shrink, I'm almost certain. Remember everything has been tailored to Intel for the last 5+ years, and this is a completely new platform & architecture. Intel is on what, gen 7 of the core arch now?

PIB coolers have always been fine for stock ops, it's only when OC or need something quieter lol.

 

[Bill_Bright]

PIB coolers have always been fine for stock ops, it's only when OC or need something quieter lol.

Even mild overclocking is no problem with proper case cooling. And a good case (like the Fractal Design R4 with its sound absorbing lining) will greatly suppress all fan noise too. But if I need something quieter (which has only been with HTPCs), I'll go with passive (no fan) cooling anyway and might even "under" clock to ensure cool running.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

Again, simply and totally wrong. You really don't know what you are talking about here. If what you claim were even remotely true, 100s of millions, perhaps 1/2 billion! Windows 8x and W10 users would be infected. And that is simply not the case. So please, don't toss out false statements then attempt to lock the door. Not cool.

If you don't keep Windows current, you use your dog's name for your passwords, you participate in illegal activities on the Internet, and you click on every link, download, popup and attachment you see, then Windows Defender is not for. For everyone else, Windows Defender is just fine.

Now I agree to get back on topic.

Hundred of millions of people aren't using Windows Defender- sorry, but that is one of the most unintelligent things I have heard all day. For a free option I guess it is OK, but it gets obliterated by other free options such as AVG, Avast etc. Have you heard of AV test? They are are independent IT security company that does research on all of the anti-virus options out there. In October of 2016, They published a list of the best anti-virus software for a Windows 10 home user. Windows Defender was at the very bottom in terms of protection.

https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/windows-10/

Also, sites like PC Magazine, Tom's Guide, and other sites all gave Windows Defender for Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 EXTREMELY low marks. I am not going to get into a large debate on why it isn't good, you can figure that out yourself, but I would NEVER recommend Windows Defender- personally or professionally to anyone. It has a terrible history steeped in both abysmal test results and in awful malware detection tests (sometimes even below zero!). Has it gotten better? Sure, but it is far from a valid option. Also I do not know if this still holds true, but as of last year CSA Labs or West Coast Labs would not certify Windows Defender.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

amd has been claiming that "everything is written for 'intel/nvidia'
for going on 5 years now
two things

1. if amd didn't basically give up and settle for making shit ass hardware it wouldn't have happened
2. no developer is gonna invest thousands of dollars and hundards of hours porting code to run on 8 threads because AMD can't get there shit together and MATCH a 7 year old arch

They dont need to, Ryzen works just fine and is ever so slightly behind a 7700k with a 700mhz advantage in some games at 1080p with a top tier GPU, big whhop! this isnt BD/PD and nothing needs to be rewritten to take advantage of Ryzen it already performs admirably though it is getting some love from developers which is giving it even better performance than when it came out....

 

[OneMoar]

Hundred of m
illions of people aren't using Windows Defender- sorry, but that is one of the most unintelligent things I have heard all day. For a free option I guess it is OK, but it gets obliterated by other free options such as AVG, Avast etc. Have you heard of AV test? They are are independent IT security company that does research on all of the anti-virus options out there. In October of 2016, They published a list of the best anti-virus software for a Windows 10 home user. Windows Defender was at the very bottom in terms of protection.

https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/windows-10/

Also, sites like PC Magazine, Tom's Guide, and other sites all gave Windows Defender for Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 EXTREMELY low marks. I am not going to get into a large debate on why it isn't good, you can figure that out yourself, but I would NEVER recommend Windows Defender- personally or professionally to anyone. It has a terrible history steeped in both abysmal test results and in awful malware detection tests (sometimes even below zero!). Has it gotten better? Sure, but it is far from a valid option. Also I do not know if this still holds true, but as of last year CSA Labs or West Coast Labs would not certify Windows Defender.

you sir don't have a clue
AVG seriously ?
last I checked it had gone rouge and was full on adware/nagware
that site also lists McAfee as good
LOL

 

[m1dg3t]

amd has been claiming that "everything is written for 'intel/nvidia'
for going on 5 years now
two things

1. if amd didn't basically give up and settle for making shit ass hardware it wouldn't have happened
2. no developer is gonna invest thousands of dollars and hundards of hours porting code to run on 8 threads because AMD can't get there shit together and MATCH a 7 year old arch

NO. AMD isn't claiming that, I am. Is that distinction too difficult for you to make? The rest of your post is toilet fodder, FLUSH! Not even worth my time.

PIB coolers have always been fine for stock ops, it's only when OC or need something quieter lol.

As Bill pointed out, they are more than adequate for mild OCing. Especially in a well ventilated case. If one is seeking more performance and/or less noise an aftermarket HSF is the way to go, definitely.

 

[trparky]

Avast may have been good in years past but these days the free edition nags you to death to buy the full version. So I switched to using Windows Defender and I'm fine with that. As long as you don't go looking for bad things like going to the more shadier sides of the Internet and/or downloading questionable torrents or software cracks you're going to be fine.

 

[OneMoar]

NO. AMD isn't claiming that, I am. Is that distinction too difficult for you to make? The rest of your post is toilet fodder, FLUSH! Not even worth my time.



As Bill pointed out, they are more than adequate for mild OCing. Especially in a well ventilated case. If one is seeking more performance and/or less noise an aftermarket HSF is the way to go, definitely.

yes they have claimed exactly that. repeatedly even

you need to spend some time with google
AMD has a history of blaming everybody else for there own poor choices

 

[eidairaman1]

NO. AMD isn't claiming that, I am. Is that distinction too difficult for you to make? The rest of your post is toilet fodder, FLUSH! Not even worth my time.



As Bill pointed out, they are more than adequate for mild OCing. Especially in a well ventilated case. If one is seeking more performance and/or less noise an aftermarket HSF is the way to go, definitely.

Till noise becomes an issue of course

 

[trparky]

There is that one time Intel got their asses sued for purposely making their C++ compiler generate assembly code that ran slower on AMD chips.

 

[OneMoar]

There is that one time Intel got their asses sued for purposely making their C++ compiler generate assembly code that ran slower on AMD chips.

11 years ago
amd fans keep bringing it up like that is to blame for all of there poor choices like ya know
firing all of there good cpu engineers and stepping away from the high-end enthusiast market

That's totally the fault of intel cheating on the compiler which AMD did the same fucking shit with 3dnow on the k8

 

[dirtyferret]

Avast may have been good in years past but these days the free edition nags you to death to buy the full version. So I switched to using Windows Defender and I'm fine with that. As long as you don't go looking for bad things like going to the more shadier sides of the Internet and/or downloading questionable torrents or software cracks you're going to be fine.

I also switched from Avast to Bitdefender due to the nagging offers. I agree with Bill; Windows defender with malware bytes will work for the vast majority of people who do nothing more then post on facebook, stream youtube, shop on amazon, play minecraft, and watch gay mexican midget donkey porn.

 

[trparky]

Yeah well that was because they had total idiots in charge at the executive level. Their CEO before Lisa Su was a complete f**king idiot, with Lisa Su we're starting to see AMD make some improvements.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Hundred of millions of people aren't using Windows Defender- sorry, but that is one of the most unintelligent things I have heard all day.

OMG. As OneMoar said, you really don't have a clue.

Of course 100s of millions of users are using WD. There are over 1.5 billion Windows machines globally and by FAR the vast majority of home users stick with Windows defaults - that includes Windows Defender, Windows Update in full auto mode and more. Most users even stick with Microsoft's liberal privacy settings. And funny thing, their systems (and identities and personal information) are still safe and secure, and fully updated with no problems.

If that were not true, the biased IT press would be all over it bashing Microsoft right and left like they did with XP. But that is not happening either.

Notice how Congress and the EU is not threatening to split up Microsoft over their inclusion of anti-malware in W8 and W10 like they did when MS wanted to include AV code in XP?

And again, you just don't get how those synthetic test scores don't represent the real world.

Notice how no one else in this thread has joined you in your claims about WD? Are you the only one right and the rest of us are all ignorant with our machines totally infested?

Don't use it. I don't care. But don't spew misinformation to others about things you know nothing about.

 

[eidairaman1]

OMG. As OneMoar said, you really don't have a clue.

Of course 100s of millions of users are using WD. There are over 1.5 billion Windows machines globally and by FAR the vast majority of home users stick with Windows defaults - that includes Windows Defender, Windows Update in full auto mode and more. Most users even stick with Microsoft's liberal privacy settings. And funny thing, their systems (and identities and personal information) are still safe and secure, and fully updated with no problems.

If that were not true, the biased IT press would be all over it bashing Microsoft right and left like they did with XP. But that is not happening either.

Notice how Congress and the EU is not threatening to split up Microsoft over their inclusion of anti-malware in W8 and W10 like they did when MS wanted to include AV code in XP?

And again, you just don't get how those synthetic test scores don't represent the real world.

Notice how no one else in this thread has joined you in your claims about WD? Are you the only one right and the rest of us are all ignorant with our machines totally infested?

Don't use it. I don't care. But don't spew misinformation to others about things you know nothing about.

Been using a velociraptor since 2015 after the momentus XT couldnt be tuned for max performance in a desktop

 

[Bill_Bright]

Been using a velociraptor since 2015

I had one of those, assuming you mean 10K HD and not the dinosaur! It was fast, but the 10K motor noise drove me crazy. But that was in a Corsair case that I was not happy with either. But it did provide yet another excuse to go all SSD.

 

[Totally]

I had one of those, assuming you mean 10K HD and not the dinosaur! It was fast, but the 10K motor noise drove me crazy. But that was in a Corsair case that I was not happy with either. But it did provide yet another excuse to go all SSD.

My problem with them is that II couldn't keep them alive they all kept dying on me. Funny enough WD dared to send me a refurb with a 1-year warranty after I RMA'd the first one 6-months into it's 5-year warranty, that 1-year warranty was long enough because about 8 months later that drive also died. They kept sending me 1-year warranty refurbs and I kept RMAing them 6-8 months down the road. Until the seventh refurb came in, not even opening the box it came in just posted it on Ebay because I was just tired of them dying. This was from 2008-2013. I have a Caviar black that I got in 2010 still running fine till this day.

 

[Bill_Bright]

That always irritated me when drive makers cut warranties short like that. They should at least warranty the replacement for the remainder of the original warranty. They keep track of warranties by serial numbers so they could easily do it.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

OMG. As OneMoar said, you really don't have a clue.

Of course 100s of millions of users are using WD. There are over 1.5 billion Windows machines globally and by FAR the vast majority of home users stick with Windows defaults - that includes Windows Defender, Windows Update in full auto mode and more. Most users even stick with Microsoft's liberal privacy settings. And funny thing, their systems (and identities and personal information) are still safe and secure, and fully updated with no problems.

If that were not true, the biased IT press would be all over it bashing Microsoft right and left like they did with XP. But that is not happening either.

Notice how Congress and the EU is not threatening to split up Microsoft over their inclusion of anti-malware in W8 and W10 like they did when MS wanted to include AV code in XP?

And again, you just don't get how those synthetic test scores don't represent the real world.

Notice how no one else in this thread has joined you in your claims about WD? Are you the only one right and the rest of us are all ignorant with our machines totally infested?

Don't use it. I don't care. But don't spew misinformation to others about things you know nothing about.

Since when did opinions become facts? Show me list from a credible source that shows hundreds of million of people using Windows Defender. I have already given evidence that directly supports my claim of Windows defender not being a good anti-virus solution and you keep saying that I am the one who is misinformed... how does that make any God damn sense? Also, just like how you boasted about how great OEM CPU coolers are... the OEM CPU argument is the same argument that you have for Windows Defender. Have they both improved? Yes, but are they viable? Now that really depends. Is Windows Defender better than nothing? Sure. Same goes for an OEM CPU Cooler. That being said, it gets decimated when compared to other "free" options and it gets decimated when compared to paid options. AV Test is a one of top leaders in the field for testing these softwares and they clearly give it the worst protection rating for Windows 10. Again, this same argument applies to your OEM coolers... are they good? Maybe. Can they take on coolers from companies like CoolerMaster, ThermalRight, Noctua or Corsair? Not even close. It really seems that you are the one who is misinformed and again you fail to produce any tangible evidence to your Windows Defender claims. You are also ruining my discussion regarding R7 1700 vs R5 1600X so please unless you have something to say about these CPUs, stay out of this conversation and keep your crazy ideas to yourself. Not trying to be a dick, but no one calls me misinformed when I supplied sources to my claims.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Since when did opinions become facts? Show me list from a credible source that shows hundreds of million of people using Windows Defender. I have already given evidence that directly supports my claim of Windows defender not being a good anti-virus solution and you keep saying that I am the one who is misinformed... how does that make any God damn sense? Also, just like how you boasted about how great OEM CPU coolers are... the OEM CPU argument is the same argument that you have for Windows Defender. Have they both improved? Yes, but are they viable? Now that really depends. Is Windows Defender better than nothing? Sure. Same goes for an OEM CPU Cooler. That being said, it gets decimated when compared to other "free" options and it gets decimated when compared to paid options. AV Test is a one of top leaders in the field for testing these softwares and they clearly give it the worst protection rating for Windows 10. Again, this same argument applies to your OEM coolers... are they good? Maybe. Can they take on coolers from companies like CoolerMaster, ThermalRight, Noctua or Corsair? Not even close. It really seems that you are the one who is misinformed and again you fail to produce any tangible evidence to your Windows Defender claims. You are also ruining my discussion regarding R7 1700 vs R5 1600X so please unless you have something to say about these CPUs, stay out of this conversation and keep your crazy ideas to yourself. Not trying to be a dick, but no one calls me misinformed when I supplied sources to my claims.

Did wonder how we got on to WD and then OEM coolers and now HDD's, it's like YouTube

 

[alucasa]

No, this is a reality show thread.

 

[Totally]

That always irritated me when drive makers cut warranties short like that. They should at least warranty the replacement for the remainder of the original warranty. They keep track of warranties by serial numbers so they could easily do it.

Did wonder how we got on to WD and then OEM coolers and now HDD's, it's like YouTube

Because it was a simple question that shouldn't have gone beyond the first page without a definite answer, which it indeed was answered in the first reply. To answer the OP's question the the reason the 1600X performs better than the 1700 is because the former is clocked the same as an 1800x difference being the number of cores, since the 1700 is clocked lower than the 1600x any scenario where 6 or less core are utilized the 1600X will outperform any 8 core save the 1800X.