Upgrade to 7700K was a let down!

[erixx]

it is a non "K" and using the bios "Boost" I think it was set to 42-41-41-40 in the bios for the four cores, but Aida says all 4 cores are 4100 Mhz during stress test..

 

[MxPhenom 216]

LMAO you didnt upgrade, you downgraded. No shit its a let down. This is a perfect example of more money than brain cells.

 

[erixx]

Jboy: 4100Mhz
another screen capture, here X99 wins clearly, but... night and day?
MxPH: I know! My X99 died. I am using a kit my shop gave me. Just saying I am not too unhappy, not frustrated at all with the kit... Go get yourself a beer and chill

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Jboy: 4100Mhz
another screen capture, here X99 wins clearly, but... night and day?
MxPH: I know! My X99 died. I am using a kit my shop gave me. Just saying I am not too unhappy, not frustrated at all with the kit... Go get yourself a beer and chill

Im not talking about you, im talking about the OP. You had a legit reason.

 

[EarthDog]

Im not talking about you, im talking about the OP. You had a legit reason.

Perhaps you should quote the person you are talking to.....178 posts ago.

 

[erixx]

hey boys and girls!
Here is some realworld info:
(I'm still on this 7700 non K.)

Something I never saw before working with a X99 mobo: I just started work and was listening to an internet radio station and working in Abbyy Finereader, OCR-ing some documents.
...Everytime I clicked "Recognize text" (a processor heavy task), the internet radio sound was interrupted for 1/10th of a second! (This happened everytime I did it, so it's not accidental).

Hmm...

 

[erixx]

 

[Vayra86]

hey boys and girls!
Here is some realworld info:
(I'm still on this 7700 non K.)

Something I never saw before working with a X99 mobo: I just started work and was listening to an internet radio station and working in Abbyy Finereader, OCR-ing some documents.
...Everytime I clicked "Recognize text" (a processor heavy task), the internet radio sound was interrupted for 1/10th of a second! (This happened everytime I did it, so it's not accidental).

Hmm...

Have you seen the recent reports about temp spiking on this CPU? May be related

 

[EarthDog]

Id bet money it isnt related...

 

[wurschti]

 

[erixx]

LOL.
but: cpu+mobo x99=1200 coins
z270 combo = 700

happy funny friday

 

[Slizzo]

LOL.
but: cpu+mobo x99=1200 coins
z270 combo = 700

happy funny friday

Extremely highly dependent. When looking at upgrades from my Z68/i5 2500k @4.5GHz system, I priced out two systems. One was Z170 or Z270 based (believe it was Z270) and one was X99 based. The X99 system was around $35-$50 more expensive.

I went with the X99 system. My experience in Battlefield 1 with my GTX 1080, was INCREDIBLY much improved. And this was from an i5 2500K @ 4.5GHz, to my i7 6800K @ 4.0GHz. i5 2500K had 16gb of 1600MHz RAM, so it wasn't really a slouch in that regard either. All other hardware was the same.

 

[erixx]

I can't remember if the 2500K was before or after Buddha/JC/Elvis.... but of course a huge step up!

For me, system stability increase is sort of an upgrade, and a huge one. RAM running peacefully at 3866 Mhz and a dozen USB devices running as they should without constant malfuction warnings, but it has nothing to do with the original post. It is not a raw performance upgrade, we agree on that. It is just being able to love your hardware again! Must be Spring! hahaha

 

[EarthDog]

Extremely highly dependent. When looking at upgrades from my Z68/i5 2500k @4.5GHz system, I priced out two systems. One was Z170 or Z270 based (believe it was Z270) and one was X99 based. The X99 system was around $35-$50 more expensive.

I went with the X99 system. My experience in Battlefield 1 with my GTX 1080, was INCREDIBLY much improved. And this was from an i5 2500K @ 4.5GHz, to my i7 6800K @ 4.0GHz. i5 2500K had 16gb of 1600MHz RAM, so it wasn't really a slouch in that regard either. All other hardware was the same.

You missed a "1" in fromt of 35-50...

Or, do tell how you managed that with retail pricing???? 6800k is $90 more than 7700k, quad channel ram is at least $50 more than dual at the same speed and motherboards are also generally more expensive...

 

[Vayra86]

You missed a "1" in fromt of 35-50...

Or, do tell how you managed that with retail pricing???? 6800k is $90 more than 7700k, quad channel ram is at least $50 more than dual at the same speed and motherboards are also generally more expensive...

That's easy. Overpriced Z versus bottom-line X

 

[EarthDog]

That's easy. Overpriced Z versus bottom-line X

No. Well, yes..


Apples and oranges... even at release, you can only do that by buying a highend mobo or faster 2xX ram... when doing like for like, otherwise, they arent close.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

"Should have gotten a ryzen"

Im guessing you have a time machine at the ready so the OP could go back in time to January and use it and jump forward in time by 2-3 months to make this possible????

 

[Slizzo]

You missed a "1" in fromt of 35-50...

Or, do tell how you managed that with retail pricing???? 6800k is $90 more than 7700k, quad channel ram is at least $50 more than dual at the same speed and motherboards are also generally more expensive...

I purchased my 6800K for $380, and my motherboard for $159.

Care to re-evaluate?

 

[ERazer]

I purchased my 6800K for $380, and my motherboard for $159.

Care to re-evaluate?

at Microcenter? love that place

 

[EarthDog]

I purchased my 6800K for $380, and my motherboard for $159.

Care to re-evaluate?

Not yet...

Microcenter? Sale? Do tell...

There arent any NEW x99 based motherboards for $160 on newegg...your board is 200..180 after mir...149 refurbd. Quad channel ram is still about double dual channel pricing. And if you bought at MC, 7700k is 300. So far i see $80 there plus the ram...and whateber mobo difference. Considering you bought a low end x99 board, a comprable low end z270 can be found for 130.. im still over 150 difference...

Really, its clear when comparing apples to apples, the difference is well over the 35-50. Quad channel memory alone covers that... the processor price difference amd board difference keep pushing that difference (much) higher.

 

[Slizzo]

I bought in November, from NewEgg. All new parts. Also, I tend to buy 4 sticks at a time anyway. RAM ran me around $185.

I have no Microcenters near me.

 

[EarthDog]

Nixing the ram because you buy 4 anyway, that still leaves the CPU and board. which is well over a $50 difference when comparing apples to apples. You literally bought the 2nd cheapest X99 board out which is full size. That translates to a ~$100 board on Z270. You are looking at ~$100 difference in platforms not counting the ram.

Anyway, fun excersise... but its still pretty clear to me there is a much more significant price difference between the two platforms than mentioned.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

I dont think in 1.5 years it will be a make or break either. I think it will look something like a quad (no ht) does today as far perfomance goes. In very few titles more tha 4c will help.. so in 3-4 years, youll find a quad with ht(8t) in very few titles, will be holding things back compared to more cores/threads.

I'd say more like "very few" now, but much more common in 3-4 years. That said, part of the reason I'm holding out to look at Coffee Lake is in hopes Intel will clock their new 6 and 8 core chips higher, because I know fully well spreading usage across more cores, especially with lower clocks, means less FPS.

Ultimately it comes down to what GPU you pair it with though, since it does most of the work. I won't be playing all my games at 4k, but certainly the 1080 Ti I'm planning on can play most at that res and at 60 FPS as well. Games like GR Wildlands I'll likely be playing at 1440p.

I can't stress enough as well that for me it's not just about FPS. I care just as much about smoothness of gameplay, which you generally get from higher minimum frames. That's the main advantage of a 6 or 8 core chip in gaming if you ask me.

Example, game X yields 65 FPS on a 7700k, while only 55 FPS on a 6 or 8 core. However due to higher minimum frames, the 6 and 8 core chips yield smoother gameplay. I want the chip that makes the game feel smoother regardless of lower frame rate.

 

[alucasa]

X99 mobo can be indeed pretty cheap in even Canada now. You just need to watch surprise sales.

A big retailer in Canada like NCIX offer open box X99 often now and they can be had for as low as 160 CAD sometimes. Grab a cheap Xeon off Ebay and you get a good workstation/WCG rig going. Granted, they won't be brand new.

 

[Slizzo]

Nixing the ram because you buy 4 anyway, that still leaves the CPU and board. which is well over a $50 difference when comparing apples to apples. You literally bought the 2nd cheapest X99 board out which is full size. That translates to a ~$100 board on Z270. You are looking at ~$100 difference in platforms not counting the ram.

Anyway, fun excersise... but its still pretty clear to me there is a much more significant price difference between the two platforms than mentioned.

Yeah, it's a cheap X99 motherboard, but then again, most cheap X99 motherboards have many features that the more midrange or high end Z170/Z270 boards have.