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hello fellow crunchers,

So my situation is that where I live the electricity bill is inclusive of my rent. However, if they see a sudden increase that's very drastic it might cause them to look into things and maybe raise my rent. So I am not trying to rip off my land lord, but I just want to know more or less your average rig nowadays how much does it waste a month in electricity? I know some of you have somewhat measured this and can provide some input. If not too much I'd like to add a rig or two over time to get going again. If it's too drastic of a change in electricity bill then I'd probably have to hold off. Just looking for some input on how much it can cost a month, give or take.
 
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Just google and you can calculate it based on your own rate. Every one has different rates.

For me, in Ontario Canada, 300watt /24 hours would cost me around 25 CAD per month.

Edit: Corrected the cost.
 
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Just google and you can calculate it based on your own rate. Every one has different rates.

For me, in Ontario Canada, 300watt /24 hours would cost me around 10 CAD per month / 120 CAD per year.
Thing is I have no idea how much my rig is using. I'm googling right now to see if there's some sort of way to calculate that, but not coming across anything. I'll keep trying.
 

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Thing is I have no idea how much my rig is using. I'm googling right now to see if there's some sort of way to calculate that, but not coming across anything. I'll keep trying.
Does your place have its own electric meter?

A 2600k will run about 200-250+ watts depending on the overclock. @thebluebumblebee should be able to get you some info on the lower powered crunching chips if you want to build something new(er)
 
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What are the specs for the rigs? And is it Miami?

Hello the specs are on the left under my systems specs. CPU is currently running at 4.4 GHz and 1.38v. I'd be happy to provide anything other detail should you need it. Yes, Miami.

Does your place have its own electric meter?

A 2600k will run about 200-250+ watts depending on the overclock. @thebluebumblebee should be able to get you some info on the lower powered crunching chips if you want to build something new(er)

Mine does not, the whole house has only one.
 
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lower powered crunching chips if you want to build something new(er)

The Xeon is a pretty low power chip , i have the 1231V3 (1150) its sips power while crunching & hit a max multithread frquency of 3.6ghz on 8 threads
 
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From google

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The average industrial electricity rate in Miami is 6.86¢/kWh. This average (industrial) electricity rate in Miami is 14.68% less than the Florida average rate of 8.04¢/kWh.

So, according to Norton, your max is around 250w. So, your monthly pay for it will be less than what I say for 300w. My rate is something like 9/kWh.
 
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From google

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The average industrial electricity rate in Miami is 6.86¢/kWh. This average (industrial) electricity rate in Miami is 14.68% less than the Florida average rate of 8.04¢/kWh.

So, according to Norton, your max is around 250w. So, your monthly pay for it will be less than what I say for 300w. My rate is something like 9/kWh.

So at the rate you provided above, even at 300W max, the estimate is about $15 a month, or $180 a year. If that's the case, I should be fine adding a rig or two :)
 
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If you plan to have more than one rig, I strongly recommend running them on stock. OCing is not really power efficient. Crunching is similar to rendering. It favors more cores over high frequency.
 
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If you plan to have more than one rig, I strongly recommend running them on stock. OCing is not really power efficient. Crunching is similar to rendering. It favors more cores over high frequency.

I haven't looked into it much, but I was thinking maybe an AMD 6 or 8 core. For the price you can't beat them, however it does appear they are a bit more power hungry. But at stock clocks it should not be so bad. This rig is overclocked because it's the one I use to game too, so I take advantage of the FPS increase. But if I build something else I will probably run it on stock clocks.
 
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At stock, Ryzen is fine. But know that AMD's TDP rating is for average computing whereas Intel's TDP rating is for max computing.

So, 65w Ryzen power consumption is similar to Intel's 95w. Their 95w CPU is similar to Intel's 120w.

Having said that, do NOT OC Ryzen chips for crunching. They are awful for power efficiency once you OC even 0.2 ghz.
 
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At stock, Ryzen is fine. But know that AMD's TDP rating is for average computing whereas Intel's TDP rating is for max computing.

So, 65w Ryzen power consumption is similar to Intel's 95w. Their 95w CPU is similar to Intel's 120w.

Having said that, do NOT OC Ryzen chips for crunching. They are awful for power efficiency once you OC even 0.2 ghz.

Thank you for pointing that out. Very important information I did not know. :toast: Seriously, thanks for the help!
 
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No problem. I used to run 10 rigs for WCG a decade ago. OCed the heck out of them and half of them were dual socket rackmounts. Saw the powerbill (over a grand) and had to stop, lol.

Hardly OCed ever since.

Edit: By the way, this is the website I used to calculate my cost. Put 744 hours for a month (31 days).

http://www.hydroone.com/MyHome/SaveEnergy/Pages/ElectricityCostCalculators.aspx

Yeah, I used to run about 4-5 rigs all overclocked a while back too. Nothing as powerful as what you described but at the time I lived with my parents so the power bill went up, I contributed. Here they might just raise my rent and they won't raise it what the electricity bill raised it. They'll probably just raise it $100 or something to offset the cost. So it's different., can't go crazy. Parents house they understood so I'd give the difference, but here it could hurt me more than what it actually should.
 
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I've been thinking of resuming WCGing but I've got a family now, and a house w/ mortgage to pay. So, it hasn't been easy.

If I were to resume, I'd build a heck of power efficient Xeon machine. There are cheap Xeon ES chips out there that's rated for 55w TDP with 10 cores at 1.7ghz @ 120 USD. That chip should be as good as high-end i7 4c/8t at half of TDP.
 
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I've been thinking of resuming WCGing but I've got a family now, and a house w/ mortgage to pay. So, it hasn't been easy.

If I were to resume, I'd build a heck of power efficient Xeon machine. There are cheap Xeon ES chips out there that's rated for 55w TDP with 10 cores at 1.7ghz @ 120 USD. That chip should be as good as high-end i7 4c/8t at half of TDP.

You can do like me start of with one rig, see where that goes.
 
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Usually when you are crunching what are you crunching for?
 
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For medical researches, mainly cancer. For me at least, I chose only cancer related workloads.
 
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My rig is set to receive work from all the different projects. Either way you decide to do it, it's for a great cause.
 
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CP, the system that @Norton mentioned is my i3-3220T - a 35 watt TDP chip. Running without a dedicated GPU and a laptop HDD, it doesn't reach 45 watts while crunching under Linux. I've been wanting to update it with an i7-6700T/7700T which is also a 35 watt CPU. I'm more interested in run time than in PPD. (opposite of F@H) [ION], as well as others, have shown that they way to go is many core/thread systems. [ION]'s got a couple of 44c/88t systems! FYI:TPU's WCG/BOINC Team
A 2600k will run about 200-250+ watts depending on the overclock.
I think that's really high. That's more like what a gaming system will use while gaming. A crunching system does not need a GPU, unless some work comes down for them again, but I don't count on it. That's why I like the "T" CPU's - integrated graphics. Only select Xeon's have iGPU.
CPU is currently running at 4.4 GHz
I have a "cough" 2600K running at 4.4. I'll try to put it on the wattmeter and see what it pulls. I think it was OZ WU's that gave me a peak 15K PPD with that system.
The average industrial electricity rate in Miami is 6.86¢/kWh
Residential rates will be much higher.
Then there's this thread: How efficient is your cruncher?
 
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CP, the system that @Norton mentioned is my i3-3220T - a 35 watt TDP chip. Running without a dedicated GPU and a laptop HDD, it doesn't reach 45 watts while crunching under Linux. I've been wanting to update it with an i7-6700T/7700T which is also a 35 watt CPU. I'm more interested in run time than in PPD. (opposite of F@H) [ION], as well as others, have shown that they way to go is many core/thread systems. [ION]'s got a couple of 44c/88t systems! FYI:TPU's WCG/BOINC Team

I think that's really high. That's more like what a gaming system will use while gaming. A crunching system does not need a GPU, unless some work comes down for them again, but I don't count on it. That's why I like the "T" CPU's - integrated graphics. Only select Xeon's have iGPU.

I have a "cough" 2600K running at 4.4. I'll try to put it on the wattmeter and see what it pulls. I think it was OZ WU's that gave me a peak 15K PPD with that system.

Residential rates will be much higher.
Then there's this thread: How efficient is your cruncher?

A lot of good info here, thank you so much. I'll review this later when I'm home and I can read through it with time. :toast:
 
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For intel system, it's fair easy to figure total TDP as long as it's not OCed.

CPU TDP + Chipset (5w) + other stuff (HDD, PSU efficiency = Add further few watts)

Using iGPU of course. It's always better to use iGPU for crunchers.
 
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