Optimal PC for $1065 (4000 PLN)

[cAst0r_]

Hey Everyone!

That's what i created:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600
MOBO: ASRock AB350M PRO4 - I'm unsure about this mobo. Is it the best budget mobo for its price? I want to o/c CPU with box cooler to like 3,8-3,7 GHz would be awesome.
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4, 2x8GB, 3000MHz, CL15 (F4-3000C15D-16GVGB) - Will this RAM work correctly with my MOBO?
SSD (i don't need normal HDD): SSD GoodRam Iridium Pro 240GB - Polish company ssd with MLC memories. I was also thinking about Crucial mx300 275GB but it has TLC memories.
GPU: RX 580 - i don't know from which brand should i choose. I want some cheap version but not the worst, like maybe MSI is nice?
PSU: XFX Core TS 550W - Some people said it's good PSU for this price.
CASE: SilentiumPC Regnum RG2 Pure Black (SPC161) - Known company in Poland.
DVD: Lite-On iHAS122-14 - Just cheapest one.

My budget is already tighten to its limits. PC will be used for: Games (90% of time), Revit 3D and AutoCAD 2D. I will be ordering PC in polish shop www.morele.net My monitor is AOC G2460FQ. Every good opinion based on facts is appreciated

 

[jboydgolfer]

Every good opinion based on facts is appreciated

are there any points/opinions/question you have, or would like to ask? Or anything on your mind?
i see youve put the questions behind the parts listed...nevermind
im no expert in AMD , but nothing looks "red flag ish" Asrock makes great Intel boards, im assuming their AMD counterparts arent too bad.

 

[Toothless]

I can tell you that overclocking on any box cooler is a bad idea.

 

[cAst0r_]

I can tell you that overclocking on any box cooler is a bad idea.

People o/c Ryzen 1600 to 3,8Ghz on box cooler without problems ;D

 

[Toothless]

People o/c Ryzen 1600 to 3,8Ghz on box cooler without problems ;D

And I can do a 100% overclock on my laptop, doesn't mean it's worth it and you won't see a 200mhz overclock difference.

 

[cAst0r_]

And I can do a 100% overclock on my laptop, doesn't mean it's worth it and you won't see a 200mhz overclock difference.

from stock 3.2 to constant 3.8 seems very nice

Do people on this forum sometimes help each other or just complain all the time? Cause from posts in my topic i can tell U it's the second thing.

 

[Toothless]

Very meaningful post... I asked about helpful opinions not shit like this from "hello kitty" fan xDDDD

from stock 3.2 to constant 3.8 seems very nice

Should probably not double post since it's against forum rules, and Alucasa is a fan of nice legs, not your rudeness.

Oh and that overclock, just because you can overclock on a stock cooler doesn't always mean you should on a stock cooler.

 

[r9]

Hey Everyone!

That's what i created:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600
MOBO: ASRock AB350M PRO4 - I'm unsure about this mobo. Is it the best budget mobo for its price? I want to o/c CPU with box cooler to like 3,8-3,7 GHz would be awesome.
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4, 2x8GB, 3000MHz, CL15 (F4-3000C15D-16GVGB) - Will this RAM work correctly with my MOBO?
SSD (i don't need normal HDD): SSD GoodRam Iridium Pro 240GB - Polish company ssd with MLC memories. I was also thinking about Crucial mx300 275GB but it has TLC memories.
GPU: RX 580 - i don't know from which brand should i choose. I want some cheap version but not the worst, like maybe MSI is nice?
PSU: XFX Core TS 550W - Some people said it's good PSU for this price.
CASE: SilentiumPC Regnum RG2 Pure Black (SPC161) - Known company in Poland.
DVD: Lite-On iHAS122-14 - Just cheapest one.

My budget is already tighten to its limits. PC will be used for: Games (90% of time), Revit 3D and AutoCAD 2D. I will be ordering PC in polish shop www.morele.net My monitor is AOC G2460FQ. Every good opinion based on facts is appreciated

If I had to build one right now it would be B350/R5 1600/Rx580.
Nothing wrong with MSI, great products at a great price.
Not sure about the memory.
Another microcode update its around the corner that should greatly improve memory compatibility.
Hope you enjoy your new build .

 

[notb]

Very meaningful post... I asked about helpful opinions not shit like this from "hello kitty" fan xDDDD

Yeah... I guess this comment is a bit under the manners threshold expected on TPU. You could work on that...

The general idea of alucasa's answer is in fact true. Ryzen's auto-boost mechanism is fairly effective and it'll get you to 3.6GHz.
An OC into the 4.0-4.1GHz territory might offer a visible increase in performance (and few other properties - not all welcome), but 3.7-3.8GHz seems rather pointless.

Of course, some people overclock just for the sake of wanting to get all they can from their purchase. If you're one of them, no one will stop you.

But considering the fact that you're building a gaming PC for 1080p, the stock R5 1600 performance will most likely be enough.
OC always has some impact on the part longevity, so why not leave it for the future, when you might actually need it?
It seems a lot more sensible than overclocking now - getting even more unused potential. This way you only increase the risk of having to buy a new CPU before your R5 starts to bottleneck the system.

As for the build:
1) just get a RAM from the QVL. It's really long - you should find something acceptable,
2) I find SilentiumPC product designs to be average at best. Very little finesse or precission. Sure, this case is cheap, but you're building a $1000 PC. You'll easily squeeze something mainstream (tried and tested).
3) If the PSU in question is the P1-550S-GREN, then IMO you should really look for something better. A Ryzen with OC + RX580 will provide a serious beating to the PSU and this one is below the price-to-power curve of typical decent models.
4) Why not a PCIe SSD?

 

[dont whant to set it"']

yep, something along the lines of above posted point 3, don't know that psu but maybe it's a platinum/titanium cert. in which case it can muster above specs with ease even throughout summer temps and oc'ed parts.

Le: if it's not too much to ask : how much would a i5 7600k+z170 mb be in $ diference?

 

[DRDNA]

from stock 3.2 to constant 3.8 seems very nice

Do people on this forum sometimes help each other or just complain all the time? Cause from posts in my topic i can tell U it's the second thing.

We have a TPU member here who is pretty savvy and has a Ryzen based rig he goes by @cdawall and I just tagged him and believe he would be a perfect member to look at your part list....be nice cdawall

 

[cdawall]

That ram isn't going to do very hot with ryzen at least how it sits right now. Hopefully the ucode update will fix that.

I also don't know what this overclocking doesn't help performance nonsense is. Ryzens turbo isn't all cores. 3.8 on all cores is consistent with those chips I would shoot for that and it will help.

I haven't played with that particular board myself, but the asrock boards seem to be one of the easiest to clock on, if a little bit lower in top clock speed.

 

[cAst0r_]

Ok i ordered my setup with Corsair Vengeance LPX, DDR4, 2x8GB, 3000MHz, CL15 (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15) instead of G.Skill. I couldn't order RX 580 cause it's currently unavailable in my country.. shops wait for new delivery.. So i have to order some cheapest second hand GPU which will work correctly with my AOC G2460FQ and mobo(?). I guess that GPU has to be PCIe 16x and with VGA/DisplayPort right? Cause this 2 cables are included in accesories of my new monitor. Will old GPUs work with WIN7/WIN10? Cause i'm probably forced to install WIN10 cause Ryzen doesnt support WIN7 right?

 

[cdawall]

You can install Windows 7 on ryzen. However critical update support will supposedly drop.

 

[bogmali]

Here is my "meaningful" contribution to this thread.....Do not post if you're not helping or suggesting so keep your snide comments to yourself

 

[cAst0r_]

Ok i selected 2 cheapest GPUs. Could someone check them? Both have VGA, do I have to worry about anything else, like drivers etc.?

http://allegro.pl/pci-e-gf-7300le-128-mb-asus-gwarancja-i6802199537.html

http://allegro.pl/karta-grafili-x300se-pci-e-128mb-tv-out-dvi-i6820050488.html

You can install Windows 7 on ryzen. However critical update support will supposedly drop.

Will my Windows 7 64 bit from 2011 year work?

 

[DRDNA]

the GF 7300LE is better and newer 2006 the ATI is 2004
But they are both pretty slow for today standards and are pretty comparable.

 

[cAst0r_]

Hmm so what do U think i should search in budget of $10?

 

[DRDNA]

Hmm so what do U think i should search in budget of $10?

yeah for $10 I guess that's about as good as it may get where you are.

 

[Cvrk]

Hey Everyone!

Hello and welcome to the community.

My budget is already tighten to its limits.

Hello and welcome to the community.

There is no such thing as a tighten to it's limits budget.

I always here people talking about updates that will fix bios/memory etc etc whatever... we are talking about AMD. Never get your hopes up.
Right now Intel works.

I have been personally going back and forth ,since i recently got back on the money train after long financial struggles, trying to rethink my new computer .
Long story short: i have narrowed down top 3 main reasons why anyone should go for Ryzen. . Taking very carefully in consideration towards myself these 3 important scenarios.
1. An individual is mentally challenged and wants to remain "true" to the brand Amd.
2. Workstation. Some cpu's in the Ryzen lineup can and have a better performance over their Intel counterparts.
3. Future proof. Cadaveca mentioned something to me: There is no such thing as future proof. Much can be debated here .
However from a poor, down to Earth, point of view, we all like to think that there is. Who among us did not ,or will not purchase in the future a cpu thinking ahead on 5 years worth of usage ? I sure do. And so do you @cAst0r_ . This pc is an investment.
On paper ,from a gaming position, Ryzen will take advantage of the upcoming market.

Let's face it. Who needs all those cores to game ? Intel will still get more fps. And what exactly is a workstation ? Cuz we all do work on our computers. But at what crazy multitasking high-end level stuff will that work happen in order for the Intel cpu to be that far behind the Ryzen ?
I see in the real world the 1800x winning by few seconds to the 6950x using HandBrake. Particular software that i use so much,all the times.
For me Amd is a huge risk! While we spend money today, just so we can wait for the Ryzen platform to mature....who knows when and if.

And i sincerely wish, that we all stumble across that realistic website/ youtube video with a huge amount of arguments pro's and cons where the Ryzen takes the lead and convinces us all that Amd is money well spent.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

I can tell you that overclocking on any box cooler is a bad idea.

I can tell you the wraith spire is nothing like an Intel stock cooler or their old stock coolers and you're wrong, I'm running 3.8ghz on the wraith spire at 60c load.....

 

[Vya Domus]

This whole RAM problem with Ryzen is seriously exaggerated. You can just fallback to whatever frequency the system runs fine or look for RAM that is advertised as Ryzen compatible on the motherboard's manufacturer website in the first place. Despite what has been talked about RAM speed it is still the least important thing in a system by far. And in this regard I would settle for cheaper lower speed RAM, if you want to be sure you're not wasting any money.

Wraith is fine for modest overclocks , especially if you have decent case airflow.

The wattage for the PSU is certainly enough , quality wise though I don't know maybe someone else can say something about this.

 

[notb]

I can tell you the wraith spire is nothing like an Intel stock cooler or their old stock coolers and you're wrong, I'm running 3.8ghz on the wraith spire at 60c load.....

Actually Write Spire is JUST LIKE any other stock cooler. It's simply optimized for a CPU.
Intel stock cooler is bundled with locked CPUs and totally sufficient to keep them in safe temperature range. Furthermore, while it can get noticeably loud on i7, it's pretty quiet on Pentiums and i3 (and still not bad on i5).
Spire is designed with 7 1700 in mind (with it's pretty impressive auto boost). You have the same cooler on your 5 1600, when it has a nice cooling surplus already.

Generally speaking, AMD coolers have been better than Intel's stock solutions for a decade (heatpipes, cooper etc). The reason is simple: they needed to be...
The previous Wraith (bundled with some FX) already had excellent performance (but quite a bit louder than the AM4 one).

 

[sutyi]

I can tell you the wraith spire is nothing like an Intel stock cooler or their old stock coolers and you're wrong, I'm running 3.8ghz on the wraith spire at 60c load.....

^ Pretty much this. ^

Although I'm not it as my CM TX3 Evo was AM4 compatible from my previous system, that Wraith Spire cooler is quite substantial and beefy, compared to an Intel i5/i7 OEM cooler is about twice the size. It probably wont get one to the magical 4.0GHz mark, but it can handle a moderate 3.7-3.8GHz OC without things getting too loud or too toasty.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Actually Write Spire is JUST LIKE any other stock cooler. It's simply optimized for a CPU.
Intel stock cooler is bundled with locked CPUs and totally sufficient to keep them in safe temperature range. Furthermore, while it can get noticeably loud on i7, it's pretty quiet on Pentiums and i3 (and still not bad on i5).
Spire is designed with 7 1700 in mind (with it's pretty impressive auto boost). You have the same cooler on your 5 1600, when it has a nice cooling surplus already.

Generally speaking, AMD coolers have been better than Intel's stock solutions for a decade (heatpipes, cooper etc). The reason is simple: they needed to be...
The previous Wraith (bundled with some FX) already had excellent performance (but quite a bit louder than the AM4 one).

I'm sick of you trolling amd ryzen threads it's pretty embarrassing now how you go out of your way to be in them.... Anyway I am sat next to a wraith spire now I'm not a troll who has no first hand experience with one, I'm not going off reviews I've read cause I'm obsessed with all things ryzen..... and this thing is twice as big as an Intel stock cooler and about 4 x the weight due to the real copper core and will keep my 1600 under 65c with a 3.9ghz oc, so you're incorrect again but I expect no less from you.