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Intel pulling all the stops? 18-core X-series CPU coming?

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That comment you could keep it for your self, if you don't like what i post then skip it and read/quote the next post.
You only chat from one side of the coin and are definitely defending intels pricing policy , something few others do.
You can buy what you want ,, but only because people like me exist, because if only the likes of you existed , competition would be nill ,you would get your lump of cpu, and like it, off just the one company and regardless of price you would still be fine with it.
You dodged my first comment to you, asking if you want to pay the same , more or less for your next cpu , I didn't bring amd into it you did and I still left them out ,you brought the bias and hate im just questioning your irrational attitude to your own finances and their improvement.
 
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So intel has been bitten by a mad AMD worker... so they are also now suffering from the "make more cores" virus, oh my. At intel that virus is dubbed "fake more cores".

But suddenly the migthy I7 980X fells so small with only 6 cores... :rolleyes:. Is it really time to say good bye to X58 :cry:

 
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Irrelevant. You would need all of that regardless of what processor you chose.
Right! I agree with you completely there! :) The CPU is but one component in the computer - and in many computers, no where near the most expensive either! The point being, once you factor in the costs of the other components, the extra price of a more expensive CPU becomes much less relevant.

.. so they are also now suffering from the "make more cores" virus
In the data processing/server world, I understand this. But I agree it seems to be getting out of hand in the consumer market - even the gaming market.
 
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Right! I agree with you completely there! :) The CPU is but one component in the computer - and in many computers, no where near the most expensive either! The point being, once you factor in the costs of the other components, the extra price of a more expensive CPU becomes much less relevant.

In the data processing/server world, I understand this. But I agree it seems to be getting out of hand in the consumer market - even the gaming market.


But yes 16 or 18 cores for desktop market is nuts. only a very few games can even take advantage of more that 6 cores. Only a person that video convert or need a powerful workstation can even make use of so many cores.
 

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Did they get more for their money with Netburst?

not a chance. I remember the first jen what was it? hammer something AMD cores in mobile CPUs and the orleans I think desktop chips spanking netburst. That was the end of the Ghz war IIRC.
 
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I'd like six cores to be the bare minimum in terms of desktops but that's just me. More cores and more threads means less context switching for the CPU.

Though I have to wonder if there is any real difference between a hyperthreading core and a real core. Does it really matter?
 

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Does it really matter?

too play devils advocate I hope not. Because I remember AMD fan boys starting riots about "real men use real cores" BS back with magny cours or w/e that line was. and then AMD started doing it with vishera and all of a sudden radio silence.

You know given that the god Ryzen has arrived im wondering why we dont have that argument any more? back when intel was 4c/8T everyone that owned one was a little girl who didnt have a real CPU but when its a ryzen cpu now its fine.

odd.
 
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But yes 16 or 18 cores for desktop market is nuts. only a very few games can even take advantage of more that 6 cores.
True, but taking advantage of does not mean it provides any "noticeable" improvement in game play.

I'd like six cores to be the bare minimum in terms of desktops but that's just me.
I'd vote for 4 core. And 8GB of RAM minimum too.
Though I have to wonder if there is any real difference between a hyperthreading core and a real core. Does it really matter?
Good point. For most tasks, I doubt it.
 

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No offense taken, but my statement stands. "We (consumers) need both."

The problem here is Knoxx29 is not a consumer of the normal sense. He is Intel fanboy incarnate.
 
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True, but taking advantage of does not mean it provides any "noticeable" improvement in game play.

I'd vote for 4 core. And 8GB of RAM minimum too.Good point. For most tasks, I doubt it.

True. Even after al these years games dont use more than 4-12 threads. BF1 in a 64 player session can use all of my cpu 12 threads and have seen it peak at 90 % load. Most games use 4-8 threads even here in 2017.
 

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too play devils advocate I hope not. Because I remember AMD fan boys starting riots about "real men use real cores" BS back with magny cours or w/e that line was. and then AMD started doing it with vishera and all of a sudden radio silence.

You know given that the god Ryzen has arrived im wondering why we dont have that argument any more? back when intel was 4c/8T everyone that owned one was a little girl who didnt have a real CPU but when its a ryzen cpu now its fine.

odd.
That argument has gone the way of "you shouldn't need 5ghz to compete" and "haha have you seen how hot it runs" as well as the classic "how much power"
In all seriousness i got and am still happy with pile-driver , for me i prefer full cores as the isolation increases individual ipc per thread, or the potential for it.
They both have Ht it is 1/3 of a real core and always has been.
 
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The problem here is Knoxx29 is not a consumer of the normal sense. He is Intel fanboy incarnate.
Perhaps, but without competition, the excitement (and employment opportunities) with Intel will soon decay too.
Well, Hyper Threading is something of a fluke
It sure didn't meet the hype. Sorta like dual-channel memory architecture. Promises of double the performance sure didn't pan out. More RAM in single channel trumps less RAM in dual any day of the week.
You AMD guys liked bulldozer right?
I like any processor that meets the user's needs and expectations. While I prefer Intels these days, I am not so brand loyal that it stops me from going [back to] AMD. For the record, I own stock in both! ;)
 

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And who's to be blamed for that? Partially AMD for not releasing kick ass CPU and partially Intel for just being lazy living off quad cores...
Probably because quadcore is the mainstream marketplace and that's where the money is?
 
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Probably because quadcore is the mainstream marketplace and that's where the money is?
I think the point is that mindset is being shifted whether it likes it or not to octo like phones before them.
 
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Probably because quadcore is the mainstream marketplace and that's where the money is?
And because quad core processors work! You can still get great game play, graphics editing, CAD/CAE, etc. performance from a nice quad IF that quad (and the OS) has lots of RAM to play around in.
 

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That argument has gone the way of "you shouldn't need 5ghz to compete" and "haha have you seen how hot it runs" as well as the classic "how much power"
In all seriousness i got and am still happy with pile-driver , for me i prefer full cores as the isolation increases individual ipc per thread, or the potential for it.
They both have Ht it is 1/3 of a real core and always has been.

im honestly pretty glad AMD pushed to fit multiple cores on a die without HT back when that arch was new. From what I saw (I skipped that entire architecture and its sisters) the performance was meh, but it really really pushed for power level improvements. more so then simple die shrinks.
 
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Probably because quadcore is the mainstream marketplace and that's where the money is?

If you artificially hold it at that for a decade, of course it is. Reality is, IPC doesn't seem to go anywhere, but we sure can stick tons of cores on one die. So, why not go that route?
 
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The CPU is but one component in the computer - and in many computers, no where near the most expensive either! The point being, once you factor in the costs of the other components, the extra price of a more expensive CPU becomes much less relevant.
That's fuzzy math man. Other peripherals do not mitigate the cost of the processor. If the processor is expensive, then it is expensive no matter what you put it with. You're only fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
 
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Other peripherals do not mitigate the cost of the processor. If the processor is expensive, then it is expensive no matter what you put it with.

nah man, my build isnt bad. gaming PC only cost me $1100

got 1 intel I9 12/24
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and KB and mouse I got from the swap shop.


no idea why ppl are bitching about these CPUs being $$$
 
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nah man, my build isnt bad. gaming PC only cost me $1100

no idea why ppl are bitching about these CPUs being $$$

Because they are.
In the above build, that CPU is still 1000 of your 1100. Does that make the CPU any cheaper?
No.
You have a cheap gamer. The CPU is still expensive.
 

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Benchmark Scores I dont have time for that.
Because they are.
In the above build, that CPU is still 1000 of your 1100. Does that make the CPU any cheaper?
No.
You have a cheap gamer. The CPU is still expensive.

sorry I didnt make it apparent enough I was agreeing with you.
 
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im honestly pretty glad AMD pushed to fit multiple cores on a die without HT back when that arch was new. From what I saw (I skipped that entire architecture and its sisters) the performance was meh, but it really really pushed for power level improvements. more so then simple die shrinks.
Well most architecture supports more then one thread now so if that many scientists think its right it is.
I just prefer having more resources per thread then a max utilisation per core but id have to say thats based on branch misspredict and halt state type issues causing minor hicups in games but the industry as a whole has worked hard to remedy this in the form of frame time and latency so my minds changing on Ht.
 
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