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Oh man, I've been messing around with tape decks the other day, I hate these things. Used to love them back in a day, but unfortunately due to the lack of replacement parts & belts they're slowly becoming a nightmare to maintain. The biggest issue is the belt tension which slows the motor, transmission resulting with noticeable wow & flutter, sometimes even tape damage. VCRs on the other hand are more tolerant to these things, probably due to more powerful motors & larger design. Nevertheless, these things are slowly fading away from the history, so it's worth every effort IMHO :)
VCR's faded away a few years ago, just like DVD players are fading away as this very moment. The problem is not only in parts that are not produced anymore but also in less and less qualified technicians who are able to repair such devices, because mostly thanks to the USA where these trends originated from, we became a purely consumer society that will throw away the product and buy a new one rather than fix anything. If, for the example, a TV power cable somehow broke I bet that 99% western consumers will throw away a perfectly fine TV without rather than fix such simple problem. Manufacturers are responding accordingly to that and that's why we have poor quality devices, even considering the extremely expensive top-models from top tier manufacturers.

Here's several pics of that new old VCR I mentioned yesterday.
Interbuy? What's that for a brand? This if the first time I heard about this brand.
You reminded me that I have Sharp VCR from the 80's or 90's (definitely bought prior to 1995 as far as I remember). I have to find it and check what model is it, but according to my memory it looks very similar to the one on the photo below and I know that all commands/buttons on VCR and on remote with small LCD on the top are in German. Unfortunately, it needs a repair since something either broke or moved out of alignment. Last time I remember it pulled out and jammed (crumpled) the tape. I doubt that the model is "VCA206" as photo owner said.

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VCR's faded away a few years ago, just like DVD players are fading away as this very moment. The problem is not only in parts that are not produced anymore but also in less and less qualified technicians who are able to repair such devices, because mostly thanks to the USA where these trends originated from, we became a purely consumer society that will throw away the product and buy a new one rather than fix anything. If, for the example, a TV power cable somehow broke I bet that 99% western consumers will throw away a perfectly fine TV without rather than fix such simple problem. Manufacturers are responding accordingly to that and that's why we have poor quality devices, even considering the extremely expensive top-models from top tier manufacturers.

Interbuy? What's that for a brand? This if the first time I heard about this brand.
You reminded me that I have Sharp VCR from the 80's or 90's (definitely bought prior to 1995 as far as I remember). I have to find it and check what model is it, but according to my memory it looks very similar to the one on the photo below and I know that all commands/buttons on VCR and on remote with small LCD on the top are in German. Unfortunately, it needs a repair since something either broke or moved out of alignment. Last time I remember it pulled out and jammed (crumpled) the tape. I doubt that the model is "VCA206" as photo owner said.

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I used to own one of these until it was stolen

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Damn it was a great machine Beta quality on VHS although the tapes were expensive as shit
 
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VCR's faded away a few years ago, just like DVD players are fading away as this very moment. The problem is not only in parts that are not produced anymore but also in less and less qualified technicians who are able to repair such devices, because mostly thanks to the USA where these trends originated from, we became a purely consumer society that will throw away the product and buy a new one rather than fix anything. If, for the example, a TV power cable somehow broke I bet that 99% western consumers will throw away a perfectly fine TV without rather than fix such simple problem. Manufacturers are responding accordingly to that and that's why we have poor quality devices, even considering the extremely expensive top-models from top tier manufacturers.

Interbuy? What's that for a brand? This if the first time I heard about this brand.
You reminded me that I have Sharp VCR from the 80's or 90's (definitely bought prior to 1995 as far as I remember). I have to find it and check what model is it, but according to my memory it looks very similar to the one on the photo below and I know that all commands/buttons on VCR and on remote with small LCD on the top are in German. Unfortunately, it needs a repair since something either broke or moved out of alignment. Last time I remember it pulled out and jammed (crumpled) the tape. I doubt that the model is "VCA206" as photo owner said.

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As I explained @Bungz in our conversation, this Interbuy is not really Interbuy at all. Same units came under several different names, including Tensai, Schneider, SEG, Marquant, Anitech & many others. However, these are all clones, pretty much just relabeled units from Shintom-Funai. We all know of course about Funai (and their terrible products), but what most ppl don't seem to realize is that Funai actually made (well, distributed) high quality units back in the 80s, early 90s. Long story short, Funai corporation ordered a durable (yet cheap) design from the company Shintom, known for professional-grade VCR solutions (therefore not consumers, average home users) and so Shintom came up with the mechanism from my earlier post, also known as Funai 3 or Funai Mk3.

There's a lot of legal debates behind this particular design, some claim it was developed by Funai (since they asked for this to be made, mass-produced), others claim it's the Shintom behind everything & say that Funai was nothing more than just a business associate, their biggest customer who bought thousands of these & built them into their (Funai) VCRs from that era so I'm not going to debate who's right and who's not. However, I DO happen to know that you can't find this deck under the Shintom name or specifications, it's actually listed as Funai 3, and I'm talking about part catalogs & distribution network, not some Wikipedia article ;) But with that being said, this unit WAS indeed manufactured by Shintom, and you can tell it's durable & highly reliable, it's designed to be completely interchangeable, so you can rip out & replace just about every single component inside. Even the metal framework, chassis itself!

If you're interested in more details & facts, I highly recommend that you watch this video here, the guy is talking about Shintom VCR clone which is more-less identical to my "Interbuy" and all other brands which used the same template

Also, feel free to compare these VCRs yourself ;)
Here we have a SEG VCR8000 model

That's using the SAME Shintom-Funai deck as every other one:


Then there's Anitech 6001


MultiTech (unknown model)


And/or Tensai...


Also worth mentioning is that Shintom mechanism was also used by large & popular names from back in a day, even nowdays. Companies such as Teac, Aiwa, Casio & similar, it was a great choice for budget models. The only downside to this design are the 4 belts, which of course tend to stretch over time & cause complete chaos within the tape transport & mechanical timing. But with that being said, belt design is what made this VCR so cheap in the first place, so there's no point in comparing it against the JVC deck for example, which had 5 direct drive motors. Still, it's far more better & reliable choice for watching old tapes, than using a modern VCR from around 2000s & newer.
 
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^^ Thanks for the explanation.
 
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I recently secured a piece of personal history. After years of watching eBay, I finally found another example of my first laptop. A Medion SIM 2000.







It has an SiS 661FX chipset, and 1GB RAM.
 
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I recently secured a piece of personal history. After years of watching eBay, I finally found another example of my first laptop. A Medion SIM 2000.







It has an SiS 661FX chipset, and 1GB RAM.
That's one pretty cool looking laptop (and it even has your pic on the screen) :D
 
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A received nice package of DFI boards today. :D

DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert
DFI Lanparty UT nF4 Ultra-D
DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250Gb

I've gotten a bunch of cpu's and a kit of Centon Advanced PC4000 2-2-2-5 BH-5 DIMM's with them too.

The Expert and Ultra-D work perfectly, just stuck a new battery in and they fired right up.

As for the 250Gb, it has blown caps but it's in brand new condition with all accessories still sealed. These boards are known for the caps to go bad apparently, so I'll order some new ones up and see if I can get it going.

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If you manage this you get a nice system :)
 
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These three will be the one's you'll want. ;)

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I will give them a try when I can. Got an Opty 170 with them too.

The Expert board is acting up a bit though, runs fine in the bios but won't boot into the os, just gives a black screen after the verifying dmi pool screen.

Does the same when booting from CD. Got it to boot the win xp installer once but it just hanged after loading a few things.
 
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Ram issue. ;)
DFI's are picky about what slots to use with certain varieties of ram.
 
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Ram issue. ;)
DFI's are picky about what slots to use with certain varieties of ram.
I will try some more configs, been running the ram at auto so it may not like it much.
 
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I will try some more configs, been running the ram at auto so it may not like it much.
That's ok you're on auto till you figure it out.
What ram?
 
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That's ok you're on auto till you figure it out.
What ram?
The kit of Centon BH-5 and Corsair TCCD.

Have them running at DDR400 2.5-3-3-5 2.8V. It runs the setup at those settings but it gets memory or hdd bsod's when partway through the setup. Edit: setting vdimm all the way to 3.2V seems to have gotten it to work proper. This is really quite odd...

The Ultra-D has no problems whatsoever with both these kits, boots into the os just fine.
 
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The expert runs a different romsip profile than the Ultra D. More aggressive. BH-5 will work best in the yellow slots. TCCD works best in the orange slots.
The failsafe is one stick of ram in the orange slot closest to the CPU. If it won't load with that then you have another problem.
Battery at 3v? It needs to be.
Reflash bios. DFI's are bios corruptors when things go bad.
 
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The expert runs a different romsip profile than the Ultra D. More aggressive. BH-5 will work best in the yellow slots. TCCD works best in the orange slots.
The failsafe is one stick of ram in the orange slot closest to the CPU. If it won't load with that then you have another problem.
Battery at 3v? It needs to be.
Reflash bios. DFI's are bios corruptors when things go bad.
@ 3.2V it installed xp and I'm at the desktop now. Battery is at 2.7V or so I'll buy some new ones and later flash the bios if that does nothing.
 
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Lanpartys never worked on auto. NEVER.

If it boots you are lucky. Everyghing needed to be set by hand in bios.
 
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@ 3.2V it installed xp and I'm at the desktop now. Battery is at 2.7V or so I'll buy some new ones and later flash the bios if that does nothing.
Nice.
 
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Was going to post another update on my latest Interbuy find, but then decided to ask first & make sure that it's OK with everyone else in this thread... Is there any interest for VHS development, fixes & updates, or shall I keep the future conversations private?
 
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Dropped my kit of CMX512-3200C2 (ProMOS) into the Expert and it ran perfect. DDR400 2-3-3-7 1T 2.6V boots os no problem. :D

I will try different bios' on it. It may just have one that doesn't like BH-5 & TCCD.
 

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Of course, you can post up the pictures @Trekkie4 :toast:
 
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@Trekkie4 : Oh yes, I remember these motherboards. DFI's mobos were ultra popular because of "Lan party" marketing designation. It was a "must have" for exery serious gamer playing COD and CS 10 years ago.
 
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Of course, you can post up the pictures @Trekkie4 :toast:
Alrighty then! :)

My "new" old Interbuy VCR finally arrived couple of days ago! Overall I'm happy with what I saw inside the box, as the unit was perfectly preserved from the water, mold and/or any other elements which could affect something that's been sealed inside the cardboard box for almost 30 years! However, with that being said I also got some bad news. Turns out it was also used at some point, maybe for 3-4 years, perhaps even less before the former owner put it back inside the box & maybe forgot about it? IDK...

One way or another, I don't feel cheated or scammed in any way, since the unit was most definitely out of service over the last 10yrs, maybe even longer. All the belts were indeed shot, some even broke when I tried to remove them, and the inside of the VCR is absolutely clean & preserved, looks brand new! It also has the original remote control, which is quite a rarity on these models, usually the remote falls apart 1st, or gets lost by the careless owners so when you buy 2nd hand unit, you most likely won't get the original remote.

So, with all this being said, it's time to show some pics :)


Seeing the inside of a box like this immediately raised several questions & doubts. Original, factory-sealed unit would never be packed like this, instead it would have a small plastic bag with the remote control & batteries. However, as I already explained earlier, it's all good & turned out better than I expected.


Even before I picked this one up, I knew the belts would be a problem. In fact, on a brand new unit (that's never been used before) the belts would have been (even worse) problem! So I picked up this BV-1150 Video Belt kit for Funai 3 (Shintom) VCRs, for the price of approx. 2.55 USD, along with additional 5 USD or so for the pinch roller. Now, the pinch was mainly OK, and I suppose it could have been treated with "rubber renew" solution, but since I had no idea for how the unit was out of service, sealed inside the box, I just replaced all the rubber components. This way, the VCR will be good for at least 5 years or so!


And so I replaced all the belts and decided to give it a try... I figured the VCR would work perfectly fine, since everything else seemed OK - but I was wrong! Even though the motion cycle worked OK, cassette went in & out, even fast forward & rewind worked OK, as soon as I went into playback or record mode the pick up spool stopped turning & the tape was "spilling" out & around the moving parts, it wasn't being wound back into the cassette. And the problem turned out to be the idler assembly, those two gears in the background. And no, I'm not referring to the more obvious gears, right behind that large black pulley. I'm referring to the other two gears, which are barely visible, behind the metal chassis.


Can you see them now?


If not, you can most definitely see them now, since I had to remove the entire unit from the chassis! :D
Again, this is something that would repel most VHS users, most of them would even be willing to give it up & throw the entire VCR into the dumpster. But really, it's a plain & simple problem (and fix). Due to sitting around for too long, the gears seized up, kinda "melted" onto the axles, resulting with too much friction & resistance for the clutch & motor to overcome. Which of course translates to geared idlers not being able to wind the tape into the housing, throughout the play & record cycle.


Even though the old gears were in good shape, and could have been cleaned & oiled to the point where the idler would work OK, I remembered having a spare set of Funai-Shintom parts in my collection, so I figured why not... Decided to use the old idler unit (that was ALSO seized up) for parts & use the gears on this "new" Interbuy VCR. Just in case you've been wondering, these spare parts came off the 3rd VCR years ago, which was technically my 1st attempt to find Funai Shintom in working (and preserved) condition. Unfortunately, the one I got through mail wasn't secured properly, so it came completely beaten & cracked from every single angle. All the buttons were broken, it even had (diagonally) cracked PCB, which made the entire unit worthless :( On top of everything, it was also pitted with rust, as someone exposed it to water or damp environment over the years. Long story short, I kept everything I could off the mechanical deck, so now I have a spare set of video, audio & control heads, along with various gears & motors.


This part here is the clutch plate, which works the same way as the one in your car ;) The old clutch seemed OK, but it was just slightly on the loose side, as if the friction material plate inside started to deteriorate, so I replaced the clutch for the other one, from the spare idler. This is a very important component because it allows the constant output speed from the motor to compensate for various differences between the tapes & tape positions, when playing the tape. Like for example, when you are watching the tape at the beginning, your take up spool will be small, and will have to rotate faster to take up the same amount of tape comparing to a large spool (at the end of a tape), which has much larger diameter and will have to rotate way more slower, to take the same amount of slack tape that's coming from the pinch roller & capstan. Of course, the tape speed itself is ALWAYS the same, and it's regulated by the international VHS standards at 3.335 cm/s (1.313 ip/s) for SP, aka the Standard Play speed.


At this stage I started putting things back together again, even replaced the previously mentioned pinch roller with the new one. Again, the old pinch wasn't really that bad, but for the sake of perfection & reliability, I replaced everything! Yes, the capstan is indeed contaminated with iron-oxide particles from the tape, but needles to say I cleaned it up afterwards, along with all the heads :) Note the metal chassis inside, that's in mint condition!!


I didn't bother showing you audio/control & erase heads, but THIS is what came off the head drum! Very important tip, when cleaning your drum on a VCR, ALWAYS USE the paper or special cleaning material for this purpose, DO NOT use cotton pads or q-tips. Heads are very small & fragile, and can easily get tangled inside the cotton material & get torn away from the drum, resulting with terminal damage for the VCR, unless you happen to have a spare head! These things can still be found on ebay & various shops, but are VERY expensive, especially for today standards, so it would make more sense to just give up the entire VCR & buy another one (or replace the entire deck)


And there you have it guys, the new old idler is inside the unit & this VCR is now ready to rock & roll :) Looks pretty good, if I may say so, myself!


Side by side comparison between the old unit, which I had in service (and used as my "retro" VCR up until yesterday) and the "new" one, which is obviously in much better shape & condition! Yes, I actually had the same model over the last couple of years, but this other one was mangled by the previous owner, used & abused throughout the years! Some idiot placed an old CRT TV on top of the VCR, crushing the top cover (obviously), along with structural support beam of the mechanical deck itself, which messed up geometry, even cracked IR sensors from what I remember. However, I managed to strip all the necessary parts from that 3rd unit which I mentioned before, before I got rid of it, so it actually ended up being in working (and decent condition). Obviously, I couldn't do anything with the top cover, but the inner workings of this other one was completely sorted out, it had a general overhaul approx. 2 and a half years ago. So yeah, just in case you've been wondering, there's nothing obviously wrong with other VCR, apart from the fact it didn't have a remote, mangled case & water damage on the inside.


See what I'm talking about? But, I repeat - it DOES run perfectly fine!


This "old" VCR had also been heavily used, you can tell so by all the scratches on the tape elevator, this one had seen tons of tapes. That's quality for you guys, back when "Made in Japan" actually meant something! :)
 
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Good work getting it up and running, nice to see horded parts of old machines justifying their worth.

Also am slightly jealous of the DFI NF3 250, friend had one and it was my first LP board I meddled with.

Not ever seen one up for sale :(

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Whats interesting about this then? ;)

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Indeed, I suppose so. It would have been a shame for me to throw away a working VHS deck, despite being in bad condition. These things cost a lot of money nowdays, assuming you can even find them in the first place!


Here, take the cassette loading elevator for example (available HERE), you can get this thing - brand new for 105€, which translates to approx. 117 USD! :eek:
 
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