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AM4 Motherboard for Ryzen 7 1700 & OC - B350 or X370

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I have a PRIME B350-PLUS Mobo with Ryzen R5 1600 and 16GB G.SKILL Trident Z F4-3200C16D-16GTZ memory RAM, the memory run to 3066MHz and 2933MHz without crash in D.O.C.P mode, I prefer the latter because I feel more stable. Sorry for my bad english.
 
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@Raevenlord what memory did you choose for the Ryzen Build ?
 

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Well, yesterday was a full day, but I managed success on my ryzen build.

Today I've been fiddling with the memory. @_JP_, I've been successful in putting my G.SKILL up to 2933 MHz. Overvolt to 1.4, manually set timings, et voila.

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@Cvrk, I have the same memory as my sig on the Ryzen system. Seems to be working ok, haven't had the time to test the computer properly.

The mobo is pretty good looking, updating the BIOS is a breeze, but I think the CPU voltage on AUTO seems a bit too high for me. It goes up to 1.32v, which for a Ryzen at 3.2 GHz, is just way too much. Will probably lock it to 1.2v, then overclock as much as I can, and leave it there, wherever that is.

@Charlietwo, thanks for your input! Your memory is the same as mine, and I saw the same results. Also, Welcome to TPU!!! Hope you make this a second home to you :)
 
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@Charlietwo, thanks for your input! Your memory is the same as mine, and I saw the same results. Also, Welcome to TPU!!! Hope you make this a second home to you :)

I think you can get better timings, I used D.O.C.P ASUS mode for translate XMP values to Ryzen compatible values, these are my timings:





I think the equivalent to D.O.C.P in MSI Mobos is called A-XMP.
 

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I think you can get better timings, I used D.O.C.P ASUS mode for translate XMP values to Ryzen compatible values, these are my timings:





I think the equivalent to D.O.C.P in MSI Mobos is called A-XMP.

Thanks =) Will definitely try and optimize memory timings/speed first before I start OCing the processor. Your timings will probably be the next step I try.
 

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Not ocing, any lower board will do. If you are I'd look at Asrock or Asus, unless if Gigabyte has come a ways. MSI 370 Carbon looks sweet though...
 
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How did I miss this for so long?

You chose pretty good man. If you aren't going for aggressive OCs, MSIs are top notch (their VRMs are a bit weak for high end OCs, but I mean, 4GHz seems to be the ceiling anyhow, so who cares?). MSI also has first class BIOS support. I love the GIGABYTE board I chose (also got it at a discount) but if i hadn't picked it, I'd have grabbed an MSI of some kind for sure, because gigabyte sucks at bios support.

IMO, on the BIOS support "rank list"

MSI>ASROCK>ASUS>GIGABYTE>BIOSTAR

As far as memory, I know a bit about that. You likely have Hynix based chips from what those timings are. Not sure if that's helpful, but just dropping some info for you.

Congrats for entering Ryzen land. I did the same a few months back and I've been loving it!

Shame I no longer do the bios update thread, but here's a handy link for you all the same:

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=4um8qa6bv0grg9m8ff5cnopue4&topic=283344.0

PS: I quite possibly have the only Ryzen 1800X that won't hit 4Ghz all core... it's certainly not a guarantee, I suppose. Mine takes 1.45v to get there, and even then I'm not sure it's stable. :banghead:
 

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I chose motherboard well: was a pain to get in my country and i had to wait nearly 3 months but it has served me well when it comes to RAM speed selection.

Just selected XMP profile and got the RAM to work @ 3200: that's it.

Have not tinkered with the RAM @ all: everything is still on auto, with the exception of the XMP profile selection, ofc.

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Note: this was with BIOS version 2.4 and up. Do not know if previous BIOS versions worked like this: remember that AGESA code was updated since version 2.4.
 
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@_JP_, I've been successful in putting my G.SKILL up to 2933 MHz. Overvolt to 1.4, manually set timings, et voila.
You did go the extra mile, while I didn't. :D
But my goal is to run within spec, so pushing it like that is not something I'm going to do. Bad results on my side are expected, I understand that.
Another aspect is that your board is slightly different than mine. While the "Gaming Pro" is essentially a more expensive version of my "Gaming Plus" (because of sillier heatsinks and a M.2 shield)(mine looks better, imo :cool:), the "Gaming Pro Carbon" does have a different design and I want to bet, a different UEFI logic. Despite very identical 2-phase RAM feed layout.

Anyway, Thaiphoon burn your DIMMs, please. I'm curious about the ICs you have. :p

And congratulations on your build!!! :clap:
 
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I've been successful in putting my G.SKILL up to 2933 MHz. Overvolt to 1.4, manually set timings, et voila.

I forgot to mention that my RAM works fine to 1.35V you do not need put to 1.4V.
 

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I chose motherboard well: was a pain to get in my country and i had to wait nearly 3 months but it has served me well when it comes to RAM speed selection.

Indeed, the Taichi seems to be the best motherboard for Ryzen at the moment and ever since it was released. Our own review takes that position.

But the fact it costs 50€ more in our country really made me go "naaah, not worth it". Of course, then there are these little things =)

@R-T-B, thanks, man! Really happy with it. especially with what I'll post at the end of this reply :p

@_JP_, tastes will be tastes... I wanted something a little more gaudy, with a little more flair :p Thanks =)

@Charlietwo, yup, true to that. Retested, booted fine and stable to the timings you posted at the same 2933, at stock voltage. For 3200, not even with 1.4v and 1.1 SoC voltage it booted, so, I just reverted it back. will wait for future BIOS updates (here's hoping...)





So, fixed CPU voltage to 1.2v, LLC on Mode 1, SoC voltage to 1.0v, and increased the multiplier by 2x on each run. Booted fine at 32x, 34x, and 36x, but failed while loading Windows on 3.8 GHz. Reboot, couldn't enter the BIOS (locked up while changing settings), so removed CMOS battery, and set 37x on BIOS with same voltages and values.

Booted fine, completed Superposition stably, and hasn't crashed yet. Will test stability during this weekend, but I'm very happy with things as they are. Temps seem well in check duing normal operation.
 
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So, fixed CPU voltage to 1.2v, LLC on Mode 1, SoC voltage to 1.0v, and increased the multiplier by 2x on each run. Booted fine at 32x, 34x, and 36x, but failed while loading Windows on 3.8 GHz. Reboot, couldn't enter the BIOS (locked up while changing settings), so removed CMOS battery, and set 37x on BIOS with same voltages and values.

Booted fine, completed Superposition stably, and hasn't crashed yet. Will test stability during this weekend, but I'm very happy with things as they are. Temps seem well in check duing normal operation.

The select CPU voltage is not enough for stable OC, you try putting to 1.35 or 1.38 and LLC in a more aggressive value. I think if you do that get stable 3.8GHz OC.
 

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The select CPU voltage is not enough for stable OC, you try putting to 1.35 or 1.38 and LLC in a more aggressive value. I think if you do that get stable 3.8GHz OC.

Yeah, but from what I've seen from Ryzen, after 1.2v, the temperature+power/frequency ratio just starts getting abysmal. I don't want the maximum extractable performance, I just want a great price/performance ratio with temperatures that I don't have to worry about and a silent system.

I'm a pretty reasonable guy :p
 
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Yeah, but from what I've seen from Ryzen, after 1.2v, the temperature+power/frequency ratio just starts getting abysmal. I don't want the maximum extractable performance, I just want a great price/performance ratio with temperatures that I don't have to worry about and a silent system.

I'm a pretty reasonable guy :p

I understand, I have my Ryzen with undervolt in stock frequencies for the same reasons.
 

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Ok, so, yesterday I really started testing and OCing my Ryzen 7 beyond that silly "let's find maximum bootable clockspeed with 1.2v). At home I have some more detailed data, but for now, I can share some little things off my experience:

At 1.2v and LLC 1, custom AIDA 64 (1344k, FFTs in place, 15 minutes per test) immediately crashed (@Charlietwo). I started increasing core voltage by 0.2, and at 1.3v with LLC on Mode 1, the computer was rock solid on any workload (actual voltage on high load was 1.336 due to LLC).

HOWEVER, I still had some boot issues: usually, board failed to boot at least once every time I turned on the PC with the selected voltage, though after restarting, everything went fine and dandy. Fiddled around with memory, SoC, LLC voltages, nothing. Started messing with LLC, Mode 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... Didn't solve the boot problem.

However, testing on Windows after the PC booted, I noticed something very interesting: LLC Mode 1 gives the highest voltage increase on workload. MODE 1 gives the highest voltage bump (+0.36 at 1.3), with Mode 2 giving +0.24 (I believe) and subsequently less (0.14 Mode 3, 0.8 Mode 4), until LLC Mode 5 which LOWERED Voltage being delivered to the CPU. So, Mode 1, highest voltage, with decreasing voltage added and even negative voltage applied to your defined Vcore as you increase the LLC Modes. Very, very interesting behavior, something I wasn't expecting and never even saw referenced anywhere. This is with the latest stable 1.8 BIOS on the X370 Gaming Pro Carbon; not sure if bug or feature.

However, my boot issue wasn't solved yet. So I bumped nominal vcore again to 1.3125... Still failed on first boot. 1.325 nominal voltage was the value I needed for my Ryzen 7 to boot stably at 3.7 GHz. Immediate voltage required was 1.325 for boot up.

Now here's the thing... My CPU doesn't need nearly that much voltage on heavy workloads to be rock solid.

Fiddling around with the LLC Modes, I finalized with a 1.325 vcore for stable boots, and LLC Mode 6... which means that actual voltage that kicks in after LLC is applied (which doesn't happen during the boot sequence, but after initial 1.325v for the processor to boot fine) ends up oscillating at 1.304 and 1.312v, on full AIDA64 load (1344k, FFTs in place, 15 minutes per test). This allowed me to bring rock solid stability (for now...), full load temperatures down by around 7ºC compared to 1.3v + LLC mode 1 (1.336 actual.) So my processor is actually running at 1.304/1.312v, despite vcore at 1.325 for stable boots, due to LLC Mode 6.

Very interesting to me, and might help some of you achieving a good overclock with as little voltage as possible. I wish it was possible to define a boot voltage value and another voltage value for actual operation of the CPU, but if this option exists in BIOS, still haven't seen it. However, for the time being, I consider these LLC Modes with reduced voltage an actual feature, since it allowed me to solve my boot issues while keeping OS and load voltage as low as possible.

My voltages are stable at stock 1.35v for memory (@2933), and I locked SoC voltage to 0.95 with LLC 1 (actual 0.97 or some such, have to check.) I recommend locking SoC voltage at 1.0 or 0.95v (my system runs solid at 0.95 SoC voltage with LLC 1, as I mentioned), since the mobo delivers around 1.16v on Auto, which is just waayyyyy more than the SoC needs. I shaved some 5ºC on CPU temperature by lowering the SoC voltage from 1.1 to 0.95.

I'm not home, so I don't have any screenshots, but I'll update this post later with my notes and some screenshots.)

Hope this helps someone. Gotta say, I really loved fiddling around with these settings :p
 
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Keep fiddling. The more i read, the more i hope that soon i will be in your spot. Things,on my end are not looking good. be quite is ignoring me, no word on my mouting kit...more & more should have gone with Noctua. The be quite cooler and case,are no where in sight,even tho i payed the money... shipping is being delayed more and more, towards my frustration.
I love the tests that you are doing, and i wanna hear more, cuz i feel like i get more knowledge on whats to come.

P.S. : in the very very worst case scenario. If they never deliver the free mounting kit, cuz i live in Romania and for some reason,they think we are a communist gipsy country, or whatever their reason would be....
Can i please ask one of you guys to get a free kit for me ? Since you can request,cuz you got the AM4 motherboard (this is all it takes). I will pay for the shipping from your country to mine.

I fear, i will get the Dark Rock Pro 3 and never get the mounting kit, and will have no way to return the cooler. Basically useless money spent.
I will keep you posted. You will not lose any money, i will pay for shipping. Let's just hope for the best ,on my end.

This is a sad situation for me, i asked very politely in my emails. But i failed to get a response. I also provided the proof with pictures of my motherboard and invoice.
They replied some time back...saying they will send the kit, it's been to long,and did not get a response,or the kit via mail.
 
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Ok, so, yesterday I really started testing and OCing my Ryzen 7 beyond that silly "let's find maximum bootable clockspeed with 1.2v). At home I have some more detailed data, but for now, I can share some little things off my experience:

At 1.2v and LLC 1, custom AIDA 64 (1344k, FFTs in place, 15 minutes per test) immediately crashed (@Charlietwo). I started increasing core voltage by 0.2, and at 1.3v with LLC on Mode 1, the computer was rock solid on any workload (actual voltage on high load was 1.336 due to LLC).

HOWEVER, I still had some boot issues: usually, board failed to boot at least once every time I turned on the PC with the selected voltage, though after restarting, everything went fine and dandy. Fiddled around with memory, SoC, LLC voltages, nothing. Started messing with LLC, Mode 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... Didn't solve the boot problem.

However, testing on Windows after the PC booted, I noticed something very interesting: LLC Mode 1 gives the highest voltage increase on workload. MODE 1 gives the highest voltage bump (+0.36 at 1.3), with Mode 2 giving +0.24 (I believe) and subsequently less (0.14 Mode 3, 0.8 Mode 4), until LLC Mode 5 which LOWERED Voltage being delivered to the CPU. So, Mode 1, highest voltage, with decreasing voltage added and even negative voltage applied to your defined Vcore as you increase the LLC Modes. Very, very interesting behavior, something I wasn't expecting and never even saw referenced anywhere. This is with the latest stable 1.8 BIOS on the X370 Gaming Pro Carbon; not sure if bug or feature.

However, my boot issue wasn't solved yet. So I bumped nominal vcore again to 1.3125... Still failed on first boot. 1.325 nominal voltage was the value I needed for my Ryzen 7 to boot stably at 3.7 GHz. Immediate voltage required was 1.325 for boot up.

Now here's the thing... My CPU doesn't need nearly that much voltage on heavy workloads to be rock solid.

Fiddling around with the LLC Modes, I finalized with a 1.325 vcore for stable boots, and LLC Mode 6... which means that actual voltage that kicks in after LLC is applied (which doesn't happen during the boot sequence, but after initial 1.325v for the processor to boot fine) ends up oscillating at 1.304 and 1.312v, on full AIDA64 load (1344k, FFTs in place, 15 minutes per test). This allowed me to bring rock solid stability (for now...), full load temperatures down by around 7ºC compared to 1.3v + LLC mode 1 (1.336 actual.) So my processor is actually running at 1.304/1.312v, despite vcore at 1.325 for stable boots, due to LLC Mode 6.

Very interesting to me, and might help some of you achieving a good overclock with as little voltage as possible. I wish it was possible to define a boot voltage value and another voltage value for actual operation of the CPU, but if this option exists in BIOS, still haven't seen it. However, for the time being, I consider these LLC Modes with reduced voltage an actual feature, since it allowed me to solve my boot issues while keeping OS and load voltage as low as possible.

My voltages are stable at stock 1.35v for memory (@2933), and I locked SoC voltage to 0.95 with LLC 1 (actual 0.97 or some such, have to check.) I recommend locking SoC voltage at 1.0 or 0.95v (my system runs solid at 0.95 SoC voltage with LLC 1, as I mentioned), since the mobo delivers around 1.16v on Auto, which is just waayyyyy more than the SoC needs. I shaved some 5ºC on CPU temperature by lowering the SoC voltage from 1.1 to 0.95.

I'm not home, so I don't have any screenshots, but I'll update this post later with my notes and some screenshots.)

Hope this helps someone. Gotta say, I really loved fiddling around with these settings :p

I'd report the findings to MSI, because it seems the llc isn't defined well enough in manuals.

Take example, my system. It seems LLC is not needed. I can't go further without thermals of the board/cpu going out of wack then. So it is unknown to me what it really does lol
 
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For sure X370 Taichi, but there goes a big $ difference from a B350 motherboard... the B350 Fatal1ty is also pretty decent.
 
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Id like to warn anyone reading this thread. B350 motherboards have mostly really crappy VRMs except Asus and ASRock and lucky MSI with their single B350 Carbon mobo. These better VRMs still arent enough for overclocking Ryzen 7, i have seen pics and measurments and did my own calculations. Most X370s bring the pain from B350s like all MSI ones and most Giagbyte ones (Except Gaming K7 and Gaming 5). In short, B350s insufficient for anything but a overclocked 6 core/stock 8 core.
 
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