3930k ->7800X worth it?

[Vya Domus]

Only, solution is stupidly simple ... draw a scene using one fucking draw call ... yes, opengl supports this (don't know about dx, command lists are similar) ... you use the gpu as usual, issue draw calls but instead of pinging back-forth over pci-e with driver and api overheads on each call, you actually build a buffer you can issue at gpu one time per frame as a one huge draw call for the entire scene. The act of building up the buffer can be perfectly parallelized, and a single draw call makes no thread heavier than others.

Command lists for DirectX work kind of backwards. You issue the draw calls in a buffer which can then be execute later , building up the buffer is single threaded but when you later execute each command you can do them simultaneously each with it's own thread. It's probably trickier but if you do it carefully you can constantly execute commands in parallel.

Yeah,
Cause I noticed you do not mention the Advantage of an AMD board, just yer opinion which is subject to croud approval. Talk all day, you'll never get a AMD CPU to clock out as high as an intel. Wow so you get more cores for yer buck, I'm not a fan boy I'm a realest.
I understand its cheap to use an AMD, but with all the issue's. Do they use dual rate memory yet? Or have IGPU? I know the boards don't over clock good yet, as I been doing my reading.

Uhm , you do know that how much AMD/Intel chips OC has nothing to do with the motherboards , right ? It's the silicon which dictates these limits.

Also , what's "dual rate memory" ? You mean DDR ?

 

[jaggerwild]

Ryzen wasn't running Dual rate, also the VRM on the new boards.

Vya,
Put yer money where your mouth is, A ROG board will overclock better then a lower class board. Do I need to school you?

Update Ryzen couldn't run Quad channel memory sorry my bad. I'm posting reasons why Ryzen might not be the best choice. Also Thread ripper, with its massive foot print.

 

[Rehmanpa]

Ryzen wasn't running Dual rate, also the VRM on the new boards.

Vya,
Put yer money where your mouth is, A ROG board will overclock better then a lower class board. Do I need to school you, didn't Toms Hardware teach you anything?

Dude what's your problem? You've added literally nothing productive to this thread.

 

[HammerON]

Alright. Chill out folks. Be respectful and agree to disagree if need be.
Sometimes it is best just to ignore some posts...

 

[R-T-B]

Yeah,
Cause I noticed you do not mention the Advantage of an AMD board

Nor did you mention the advantage of an Intel one.

I think he means Dual Rank memory, at any rate. And yes, it works.

 

[BiggieShady]

Command lists for DirectX work kind of backwards. You issue the draw calls in a buffer which can then be execute later , building up the buffer is single threaded but when you later execute each command you can do them simultaneously each with it's own thread. It's probably trickier but if you do it carefully you can constantly execute commands in parallel.

Interesting. Now when I think of it, OpenGL solution I was referring to also uses command lists but with token buffers, and tokens are simple structures in linear memory block - you can prepare that buffer as you please (bindless textures and objects are a must):

It's crazy how pc graphics api-s are used sub-optimally in practice.
Anyways, here's the whole slideshow:
https://www.slideshare.net/tlorach/opengl-nvidia-commandlistapproaching-zerodriveroverhead
https://www.slideshare.net/CassEveritt/approaching-zero-driver-overhead

These techniques may allow threadrippers to saturate 4 titans in, for example, 360 degrees projective vr setup ... or 8K game rendering with enourmous amount of dynamically animated clutter on the scene.

 

[EarthDog]

Uhm , you do know that how much AMD/Intel chips OC has nothing to do with the motherboards , right ? It's the silicon which dictates these limits.

Sort of. Put a shit board on either and they wont reach the same clocks as with a good board. And this is only true the last gen for amd, and past couple for intel. Prior to that, the board made a HUGE difference for both.

Id also be concerned now with x299 boards limiting intel cpus...and potential TRipper overclocking as well. So... there's that...

To say it has "nothing" to do with it is a poor choice of words.

 

[Aquinus]

Uhm , you do know that how much AMD/Intel chips OC has nothing to do with the motherboards , right ? It's the silicon which dictates these limits.

I assure you that motherboard does make a difference on how far you can push a CPU. I'm sure that @cadaveca would agree with that assessment.

Also , what's "dual rate memory" ? You mean DDR ?

I think that was a typo for dual rank memory.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

It really depends on how far you are pushing the chips. If you are under full water cooling and hammering the clocks, I expect you will find a pretty big difference between a lot of the boards.

As you say this is more of a problem with X299 and X399, but again it comes down to how much you are cooling your chip and how far you are pushing it.

On a sidenote, I actually suggested to a certain reviewer that he bust out his water cooling skills for reviewing the SKL-X and TR boards, but to my surprise he was very much against it to say the least...

 

[Vya Domus]

Sort of. Put a shit board on either and they wont reach the same clocks as with a good board. And this is only true the last gen for amd, and past couple for intel. Prior to that, the board made a HUGE difference for both.

Id also be concerned now with x299 boards limiting intel cpus...and potential TRipper overclocking as well. So... there's that...

To say it has "nothing" to do with it is a poor choice of words.

I said that the limit of how far you can push these chips is down to the silicon itself, is that incorrect ? You can have the best board in the world with a million phases it wont get past what the chip can do.

Of course on lower end board you wound't be able to reach that maximum OC , but that is ultimately the limit these CPUs have.

 

[EarthDog]

Boards matter...

You will not reach the silicon's limit without a proper board.

 

[cadaveca]

On a sidenote, I actually suggested to a certain reviewer that he bust out his water cooling skills for reviewing the SKL-X and TR boards, but to my surprise he was very much against it to say the least...

You need at least a good 280mm radiator on an AIO for X299. Air cooling doesn't cut it. Both platforms should not be reviewed with anything less than that. Full-on watercooling costs money, good money, and to invest in proper watercooling for a review... I wouldn't do it either.

But I'm the guy that actually watches CPU power consumption. Maybe the only one.

Boards matter...

Yoy will not reach the silicon's limit without a proper board.

Why not just come out and say that there are many boards with a 275W-285W power use limit? Oh, it's too early.

 

[Vya Domus]

Boards matter...

You will not reach the silicon's limit without a proper board.

And how is that different from what I said ?

 

[cadaveca]

And how is that different from what I said ?

It's not just "with a lower-end board".

It's more like "if you don't buy the most expensive boards the board is the limit"...

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

You need at least a good 280mm radiator on an AIO for X299. Air cooling doesn't cut it. Both platforms should not be reviewed with anything less than that. Full-on watercooling costs money, good money, and to invest in proper watercooling for a review... I wouldn't do it either.

The AIOs won't take the chips past 250w or so, I'd say you really see the differences between boards when you are going up the 350-400w mark based on what der8auer seemed to be pulling.

Said reviewer was renowned for his custom water cooling builds and mods, so I hardly think it's a huge investment considering he has a lot of the kit already and would be one of the very few reviewers that would be using a water loop.

 

[cadaveca]

The AIOs won't take the chips past 250w or so, I'd say you really see the differences between boards when you are going up the 350-400w mark based on what der8auer seemed to be pulling.

Uh, yeah, that guy. Not listening to anything that comes from his direction. The platform has a base spec of 300W. OF course you can push that high. The real question is which CPUs allow this? Not really any you can buy right now... my 7900X chips pull just north of 200W @ 4.5 GHz, (or just south, depending on which CPU you ask about). He's quoting numbers that are double... perhaps that is only for benchmark use? I will remind you that this guy is featured in ASUS's realbench benchmark video... so we can clearly know how he uses his PCs.


BTW, I have no issues breaking 300W on my AIOs.

I do have/had many of the CPUs for this platform, and I do not agree with this particular person's position on the platform that seem to claim as gospel.

Said reviewer was renowned for his custom water cooling builds and mods, so I hardly think it's a huge investment considering he has a lot of the kit already and would be one of the very few reviewers that would be using a water loop.

Meh. As a reviewer, it is most important to create review situations that match your user base. The majority of enthusiasts cannot afford HEDT in the first place, nevermind HEDT + high-end water. Even if I had blocks for the platforms (I have the rest of the kit), I still wouldn't use it for reviews.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Meh. As a reviewer, it is most important to create review situations that match your user base. The majority of enthusiasts cannot afford HEDT in the first place, nevermind HEDT + high-end water. Even if I had blocks for the platforms (I have the rest of the kit), I still wouldn't use it for reviews.

I feel like he's lost a lot of his viewerbase by moving away from the cases and modding stuff, that was the main reason I started watching his content. Unfortunate, but I won't make a fuss about it.

 

[jaggerwild]

And how is that different from what I said ?

Keep quoting what you read, its not what you know clearly(only what you have read). You post dis information on the net expect to get called out on it!!