Intel, AMD MCM Core i7 Design Specs, Benchmarks Leaked

[RejZoR]

Isn't something like this already used in the latest XBOX One X ? Where GPU and CPU share same memory pool of GDDR5 memory (not quite HBM2 but that was for pricing reasons) using closer connected interface than used on PC's?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I don't think the PS/XB APUs are MCM'd but I could be wrong. HBM has to be MCM'd because it's stacked.

I wonder if Intel's cores are connected to the HBCC and the HBCC serves as the memory controller (uses HBM as L4 cache and DDR4 as overflow). If it does, the CPU itself could see a serious boost from the L4 cache.

 

[Mussels]

How long before these are in a game console, anyone wanna place bets on which brand gets there first?

I'm thinking the switch 2.0

 

[StrayKAT]

Looks like it's still dedicated gpu for me. I wouldn't use this any more than igfx, but it's cool news. My jaw would really drop if Intel outright bought out Radeon.

 

[R0H1T]

I don't think the PS/XB APUs are MCM'd but I could be wrong. HBM has to be MCM'd because it's stacked.

I wonder if Intel's cores are connected to the HBCC and the HBCC serves as the memory controller (uses HBM as L4 cache and DDR4 as overflow). If it does, the CPU itself could see a serious boost from the L4 cache.

They are, just like the previous gen IIRC. I'm not sure that's a necessity though since Google's TPU, Nvidia Volta, Intel Nervana all use HBM now & not all of them are MCM.

Again unlikely, AMD would have to share some closely guarded secrets of their GPU if they're doing this, from what we know there is no IP sharing in place.

How long before these are in a game console, anyone wanna place bets on which brand gets there first?

I'm thinking the switch 2.0

Intel don't get by wafer thin margins, unless they're doing contra revenues & all that stuff. The next console chip will still be from AMD, or Nvidia if we're talking handhelds, since Intel can't match either in terms of their GPU prowess.

 

[Imsochobo]

I don't think the PS/XB APUs are MCM'd but I could be wrong. HBM has to be MCM'd because it's stacked.

I wonder if Intel's cores are connected to the HBCC and the HBCC serves as the memory controller (uses HBM as L4 cache and DDR4 as overflow). If it does, the CPU itself could see a serious boost from the L4 cache.

There is not any feasible way to do L4 cache over PCI-E.

Looks pretty similar to an R9 380, so a 285.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11629825

say ~280 as Laptops will have throttling occurring.

 

[meran]

The MX150 is probably the closest thing to it.

Are you crazy? Ryzen APU with 8 vega cores already got near mx150 for half the power and without cache memory, so the performance should be between 1050ti and 1060.

 

[Frick]

Are you crazy? Ryzen APU with 8 vega cores already got near mx150 for half the power and without cache memory, so the performance should be between 1050ti and 1060.

I meant the form factor.

 

[meran]

I meant the form factor.

Next MacBook pro 13" and hopefully some expensive ultrabooks!! that can deal with 35watt power.

 

[MrMilli]

You're mixing up the versions.
The 694C is the slow one and 694E is the fast one.
As such, Geekbench is reporting the correct frequency because it's the 694C being tested.

 

[lexluthermiester]

All in all, our collective gasp at the Intel-AMD announcement is perfectly understandable.

Yeah, that about sums it up!

 

[dj-electric]

RTG doesn’t make GPU that are very power efficient...

This could change very much with lower end products. You can see for example how power scaling worked with Tahiti. You had a 130W HD 7950 and had a 220W 7970 Ghz next to each other.
Sometimes, to reach 25% higher performance, you have to sacrifice 50% of your efficiency. Vega seems to behave very well when used in lower power scenarios actually and i won't be suprised if it actually looks great compered to Pascal on the mobile GPU side

 

[Pixrazor]

so basically a HD 7870...
wonder if it can be overclocked, hihi
edit: if it can go beyond 1200mhz then great...
PS. already used HD 7870/50 before, both worked flawlessly at 1200mhz

 

[Steevo]

There is absolutely no need for Vega24 to be glued together with the CPU. It could still be on a separate substrate next to the CPU. It is not like the CPU can map the HBM2 so what is the point.

It eliminates motherboard wiring that need not exist, provides a secure and reliable communication between both CPU and GPU and possibly does allow for future expansion of Heterogeneous memory allocation, which is something AMD has been pushing for and Intel will need for larger data sets that AI forces. Essentially it allows drop in performance with a lower cost motherboard and lower risk for laptop manufacturers, and future expansion options.

 

[Lightofhonor]

so basically a HD 7870...
wonder if it can be overclocked, hihi
edit: if it can go beyond 1200mhz then great...
PS. already used HD 7870/50 before, both worked flawlessly at 1200mhz

Nah, more like 7950/280. Great for iGPU and can certainly game, but not really a threat to a dedicated GPU for most people who game.

Really this is what MacBooks are going to get and, for compute and limited gaming, this will be great.

 

[semitope]

OK so a smaller motherboard design, but what about power, RTG doesn’t make GPU that are very power efficient... so now the LT will need a bigger battery. or 5 min of gaming time on battery...?

power efficiency is not that simple. by some measures RTG makes more efficient GPUs than nvidia. On one hand its about the workload (many of AMDs GPUs, even lower end, can beat a 1080ti in compute).

On the other hand its just about the voltage and overall config. AMDs GPUs and CPUs can use lower voltage and be really efficient. Its just that AMD tends to pump them up with voltage. probably to make the most of the yield.

Nah, more like 7950/280. Great for iGPU and can certainly game, but not really a threat to a dedicated GPU for most people who game.

Really this is what MacBooks are going to get and, for compute and limited gaming, this will be great.

its going to be great if it works well for the ultrathin notebooks. those are always on intel iGPUs AFAIK. this is a whole new world for them and I think they are very popular.

Not sure about macbooks. Apple should be wanting to use AMD CPUs right about now. Maybe this will help intel keep apple on board since apple is bent on AMD GPUs.

 

[looncraz]

OK so a smaller motherboard design, but what about power, RTG doesn’t make GPU that are very power efficient... so now the LT will need a bigger battery. or 5 min of gaming time on battery...?

This thing is running inside of Vega's peak efficiency range - where it will absolutely compete in efficiency with nVidia products.

Polaris on mobile is something like 75W while only clocking in slightly under the desktop parts.

10~12W saved by using HBM2 as well. The GPU can probably fall under 35W TDP.

 

[Big_Vulture]

Seems very powerful! These the 3Dmark11 scores for i5-7300HQ with heavily overclocked Geforce 1050M:

 

[yotano211]

So what products are these items going to power, AI stuff, AI for future cars??...

What was the point of AMD and Intel teaming up for this.

 

[R0H1T]

So what products are these items going to power, AI stuff, AI for future cars??...

What was the point of AMD and Intel teaming up for this.

Did you miss the 3 other threads, besides this, & the post right above yours? This is purely to match Nvidia in the mid range GPU segment, with an eye on Apple & NUC markets as well.

The top end gaming laptops are oversized, bulky pieces of plastic that basically are useless as a portable gaming or computing machine. This is no threat to that super ultra niche.

 

[Siman00]

Doesn't really hold much of a candle to nvidia's 1060 6gb discrete GPU in the terms of performance. But damn its impressive for a IGPU, its size, and probably its power.

 

[yotano211]

Did you miss the 3 other threads, besides this, & the post right above yours? This is purely to match Nvidia in the mid range GPU segment, with an eye on Apple & NUC markets as well.

The top end gaming laptops are oversized, bulky pieces of plastic that basically are useless as a portable gaming or computing machine. This is no threat to that super ultra niche.

So this product is for gaming on a 10-12 inch laptop.

The processor speed is 3.1ghz, that is the same speed of the i7 6700hq on laptops. The 6700hq top out at 3.1ghz on 4 cores.

 

[ValenOne]

Its less Flops than my R9 380 which has about 3,584 GFlops but if it has the rumored HBM it will have faster memory bandwidth and its also based on Vega Arch so its probabably a bit faster.

Core i7-8809G's GPU has 1190 Mhz which yields 3.66 TFLOPS.

 

[meran]

https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1791995-1-1.html

Intel announced the cooperation with AMD this morning and will work together to create an integrated processor in the future, which will be based on Intel's eighth-generation Core Duo processor and AMD's Vega GPU. It is reported that full blood version Vega GPU has 24 processing units, 1536 stream processors, the highest frequency of 1100MHz, using a 4GB HBM2 memory.

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[size = 1pc] In this morning's 3DMark 11 ran exposure points, P points only 4000 points, which is obviously not normal, and later found that its operating frequency is only 300MHz. Now pcper has exposed a new integrated processor 3DMark 11 Performance run points, it seems that 1100MHz run full of blood.

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According to Pcper's latest table data, Intel / AMD integrated processor 3DMark 11 P-mode graphics points can reach 14127 points, has exceeded 31% of the GTX 1050 Ti, while the GTX 1060 scores 16235 points, that is to say This core shows the performance of GTX 1060 87% of the performance. Running points in "Singing ashes" also reached 3300 points.

Of course, other foreign media said the Intel / AMD integrated processor has multiple versions of the core display, low-end performance and the GTX 950 is almost high-end fight Radeon R9 380.

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Of course, due to the high cost of HBM2 memory costs, it is expected that high-end notebooks such as the Apple MacBook will be equipped with this seemingly very violent processor, and Intel's own NUC will also be available. Of course, this CPU is still in the engineering state of the sample, the future what performance is not easy to say.